Why can't sasuke beat pain???

[Kazekage35]

Naruto technically didn't even beat pain... reasons why
1) Pain would have killed him but he wasn't allowed to
2) When Hinata was thought to be dead the 9 tails took over and went to as many as 8 tails. Sasuke can not unleash anywhere close to this power
3) Naruto used talk no jutsu at the end... Nagato could have killed him

Preta CAN in face absorb amaterasu and it is not INSTANT. An example would be when Sasuke missed with amaterasu and it hit the samurai... obviously he wasn't focusing on the samurai

Deva path showed he can dodge numerous TBB from 6 tails cloak (destroyed the battle field) which is way more damage then sasuke could create and TBB is faster than Susano'o arrow

Sasuke has no defense against CT or even ST

Lastly, Sasuke has nothing to deal with against pains summons. If you recall, the reason naruto could defeat them was because his summons held them off. Sasuke could not possibly fight the summons (the dog can not even die!) and the paths of pain at the same time

So I do agree that EMS Sasuke> SM Naruto but his lack of summons and IMO a bad match up won't allow him to win

 

[niknika]

I love to come to sasuke threads just because its funny how the sasuke fanboys can never give a good argument. They suck at giving a good argument and when try, they fail hard :rofl:

I haven't seen any "fanboys" arguing on this thread yet. They just come, post crap and leave. People that are debating are not biased.

 

[lol99]

sasuke might be able to take down a few paths but i dont see him winning

 

[~MC117~]

I haven't seen any "fanboys" arguing on this thread yet. They just come, post crap and leave. People that are debating are not biased.

Go back a few pages and see for yourself what I was talking about. Everyone with a sasuke avatar can never put up a good argument. No joke. There are some exceptions of course.

OT: I think that if sasuke has knowledge on Pain he might actually win but it depends on what conditions pain is at the beginning of the fight. If he can't use ST or CT then sasuke has a big chance of winning, with his intelligence he would figure out Preta path abilities very quick and take it out but if pain is full at the beginning of the fight then sasuke doesn't really stand a chance, Boss summons, ST, CT and a lot of chakra is just too much for sasuke to handle alone. He would put up a good fight though. And pain can just repel amaterasu with shinra tensei and or just suck it with preta path.

 

[Sasuke1025]

Naruto technically didn't even beat pain... reasons why
1) Pain would have killed him but he wasn't allowed to
2) When Hinata was thought to be dead the 9 tails took over and went to as many as 8 tails. Sasuke can not unleash anywhere close to this power
3) Naruto used talk no jutsu at the end... Nagato could have killed him

Preta CAN in face absorb amaterasu and it is not INSTANT. An example would be when Sasuke missed with amaterasu and it hit the samurai... obviously he wasn't focusing on the samurai

Deva path showed he can dodge numerous TBB from 6 tails cloak (destroyed the battle field) which is way more damage then sasuke could create and TBB is faster than Susano'o arrow

Sasuke has no defense against CT or even ST

Lastly, Sasuke has nothing to deal with against pains summons. If you recall, the reason naruto could defeat them was because his summons held them off. Sasuke could not possibly fight the summons (the dog can not even die!) and the paths of pain at the same time

So I do agree that EMS Sasuke> SM Naruto but his lack of summons and IMO a bad match up won't allow him to win

There's no prove tht he can absorb Amaterasu if he does Amaterasu will just burn him from the inside and Amaterasu is instant he focused on the raikage but he moved so fast that instead he focused on the samurai behind him

 

[niknika]

Go back a few pages and see for yourself what I was talking about. Everyone with a sasuke avatar can never put up a good argument. No joke. There are some exceptions of course.

OT: I think that if sasuke has knowledge on Pain he might actually win but it depends on what conditions pain is at the beginning of the fight. If he can't use ST or CT then sasuke has a big chance, with his intelligence he would figure out Preta path abilities very quick and take it out but if pain is full at the beginning of the fight then sasuke doesn't really stand a chance, Boss summons, ST, CT and a lot of chakra is just too much for sasuke to handle alone. He would put up a good fight though. And pain can just repel amaterasu with shinra tensei and or just suck it with preta path.

If I see a person Is biased, I wish them the best and just never respond. Xd I did have a little skirmish with an uchiha HATER, who insulted me in his response couple of times, just because I didn't make sasuke out to be at hanabi's level when she was 3 but the he just left so...

 

[niknika]

There's no prove tht he can absorb Amaterasu if he does Amaterasu will just burn him from the inside and Amaterasu is instant he focused on the raikage but he moved so fast that instead he focused on the samurai behind him

A little correction. Itachis Amaterasu is instant. Sasukes was shown to be slower and weaker. Much, uch weaker. I might sound like a hater. But I lost respect for sasukes Amaterasu, ever since it took 5 minutes to barely burn through samurai armor, not even, while itachi, broke out of otherwise impossible to break out of (stated by jiraiya) "prison" in a second through Amaterasu

 

[6pathofpain]

Well it's gonna b hard if no one notice sasuke is gonna do they can't stop it the only way they can stop it is if they notice and stands in front of him

I meant more on along the line of them destracting him while deva's doin it but i guess i should have said that. But what you said is quite true.

 

[Sasuke1025]

A little correction. Itachis Amaterasu is instant. Sasukes was shown to be slower and weaker. Much, uch weaker. I might sound like a hater. But I lost respect for sasukes Amaterasu, ever since it took 5 minutes to barely burn through samurai armor, not even, while itachi, broke out of otherwise impossible to break out of (stated by jiraiya) "prison" in a second through Amaterasu

I Know it's weaker but those samurai armor were made to deflect ninjutsu since they're just samurai it's probably well made and really thick and theyre the same speed since they're both instant

 

[Sasuke1025]

I meant more on along the line of them destracting him while deva's doin it but i guess i should have said that. But what you said is quite true.

Oh I c but if he uses planetary devastation while the rest is still there the rest of the pains will get sucked to

 

[Kazekage35]

There's no prove tht he can absorb Amaterasu if he does Amaterasu will just burn him from the inside and Amaterasu is instant he focused on the raikage but he moved so fast that instead he focused on the samurai behind him

Amaterasu is chakra manipulated at its highest form BUT it still is chakra. The preta path absorbs ALL chakra based techniques so you have no proof that it can't absorb it. What you're saying makes no sense. How would it burn his insides? He absorbed Rasenshuriken and it did not explode and destroy his insides at a molecular level? Once it is absorbed the effect does not work... also it is not instant if it can be dodged. Yes, it is extremely fast, but not instant

 

[niknika]

Amaterasu is chakra manipulated at its highest form BUT it still is chakra. The preta path absorbs ALL chakra based techniques so you have no proof that it can't absorb it. What you're saying makes no sense. How would it burn his insides? He absorbed Rasenshuriken and it did not explode and destroy his insides at a molecular level? Once it is absorbed the effect does not work... also it is not instant if it can be dodged. Yes, it is extremely fast, but not instant

Too tired to write. Read my previous posts please. Amaterasu never dims. That should say something.
Loving you sig btw

 

[|Apathy|]

Before I begin debating on the subject or coming up with a reasonable outcome, that is rational for both characters, may I ask what the conditions?

 

[niknika]

Before I begin debating on the subject or coming up with a reasonable outcome, that is rational for both characters, may I ask what the conditions?

I believe pain knows stuff about sasuke up until his death, while sasuke has limited to no intel. Or better yet, both no intel. That's why I said sasuke not smart enough to figure out chibaku tensei

 

[Sasuke1025]

Amaterasu is chakra manipulated at its highest form BUT it still is chakra. The preta path absorbs ALL chakra based techniques so you have no proof that it can't absorb it. What you're saying makes no sense. How would it burn his insides? He absorbed Rasenshuriken and it did not explode and destroy his insides at a molecular level? Once it is absorbed the effect does not work... also it is not instant if it can be dodged. Yes, it is extremely fast, but not instant

you can't put out the Amaterasu so it'll kill you just like when he absorbs Naruto sage chakra And I know it can be dodge but it ignites whatever the sharingan focuses on

 

[Lt Fresh]

-If Sasuke was to pull off all those MS techs in battle there is no way he will last that long. He will have no chakra to fight. In a fight like this intelligence plays a huge roll, and frankly Sasuke lacks it greatly.

-Sasuke must first know that each body has a different tech and that they all have added field of vision. If he doesn't know ether of these he loses right away.

-Sasuke must know that he has to probably take out the body the revives others first while trying to dodge the Deva Path and the one that absorbs chakra, While dealing with the ones that can shot missiles and summon beasts.

-Black fire is just ninjutsu, meaning it can be absorbed or easily pushed away with the Deva Path's power. There are 6 ninjas not each one has to fight, they can easily assist each other if one was hit with black fire and couldn't do anything about it.

-Kirin is a last resort move that needs preparation. If Sasuke gets a chance to do this, he best make sure all the bodies are somewhat close to each other and that the Deva Path is already dead, b/c he could easily push Kirin away or just stop Sasuke from even doing it.

-Genjutsu is the only hope Sasuke has at winning. But he most make eye contact which would be hard in this battle. And thats the only way Sasuke can perform a genjutsu. But even then each of the bodies of Pain is a died body which is being controlled, so basically they could not be in a genjutsu for to long.

-Sasuke may have Sasunoo as a great defense but it sucks him dry of chakra and he moves rather slow to take out 6 ninjas. Both the bodies that shot missiles and summons animals can easily distract him with a ton of attacks while the absorbing one comes from behind to get rid of Sasunoo leaving the Deva Path to do the most destructive power.

-Most ninjas who have no info would simply lose to Pain and thats a fact, and even with info they might still die. Fighting against 6 ninjas who all have some sort of powerful tech and no blind spot is nearly impossible to beat.

 

[niknika]

-If Sasuke was to pull off all those MS techs in battle there is no way he will last that long. He will have no chakra to fight. In a fight like this intelligence plays a huge roll, and frankly Sasuke lacks it greatly.

-Sasuke must first know that each body has a different tech and that they all have added field of vision. If he doesn't know ether of these he loses right away.

-Sasuke must know that he has to probably take out the body the revives others first while trying to dodge the Deva Path and the one that absorbs chakra, While dealing with the ones that can shot missiles and summon beasts.

-Sasuke may have Sasunoo as a great defense but it sucks him dry of chakra and he moves rather slow to take out 6 ninjas. Both the bodies that shot missiles and summons animals can easily distract him with a ton of attacks while the absorbing one comes from behind to get rid of Sasunoo leaving the Deva Path to do the most destructive power.

-Most ninjas who have no info would simply lose to Pain and thats a fact, and even with info they might still die. Fighting against 6 ninjas who all have some sort of powerful tech and no blind spot is nearly impossible to beat.

Awesome sig. You know who'd beat them all? Even e sage? Dark phoenix

 

[Lt Fresh]

Awesome sig. You know who'd beat them all? Even e sage? Dark phoenix

Hahaha and thanks

 

[|Apathy|]

I believe pain knows stuff about sasuke up until his death, while sasuke has limited to no intel. Or better yet, both no intel. That's why I said sasuke not smart enough to figure out chibaku tensei

Situation 1: Pain has knowledge on Sasuke’s abilities, and Sasuke does not have any awareness on Pain’s abilities.

At the current point in the manga, Pain > Sasuke, given the above situation where to arise.

Situation 2: Neither Sasuke nor Pain have any knowledge on the opponents abilities.

At the current point in the manga, Pain wins with high difficultly, due to Sasuke’s current EMS progression.

 

[niknika]

Situation 1: Pain has knowledge on Sasuke’s abilities, and Sasuke does not have any awareness on Pain’s abilities.

At the current point in the manga, Pain > Sasuke, given the above situation where to arise.

Situation 2: Neither Sasuke nor Pain have any knowledge on the opponents abilities.

At the current point in the manga, Pain wins with high difficultly, due to Sasuke’s current EMS progression.

Understandable. :