Danzo>Hiruzen

[USSJ Future Trunks]

enma can be beaten by putting a curse seal on him.

 

[Naruto9001]

Hmm....Koto Amatsukami does have a counter, sadly. It would be Enma. He pops Enma out, and it's game over, due to the fact that Enma can re-stabilize his chakra and break the genjutsu.

That rule only applies to normal genjutsu.

 

[Nikes]

in part one from what we know sure. i mean itachi may not have had sasunoo as seen with sasuke it takes time to get to. and kisame may have still been working on his moves

also danzo did no seem to have low self esteem. he was confident even enough to use ka in a kage summit

That's because KA is the best technique..

Other wise, what you said about Itachi and Kisame is pure speculation.

What isn't speculation is Danzo essentially has 10 lives and very strong wind techniques that cut through rock.

 

[kakashi owns all]

That's because KA is the best technique..

Other wise, what you said about Itachi and Kisame is pure speculation.

What isn't speculation is Danzo essentially has 10 lives and very strong wind techniques that cut through rock.

its also not speculation the data books say hiruzen is the strongest hokage stronger then the 1st hokage ect. he also has elemental adv with fire style.

enma can counter ka the 3rd wins this all day

 

[Nikes]

its also not speculation the data books say hiruzen is the strongest hokage stronger then the 1st hokage ect. he also has elemental adv with fire style.

enma can counter ka the 3rd wins this all day

The data book also hasn't been updated..

Danzos wind techs are fine enough to cut rock, Danzos summon beats Enma...

Danzo wins 8/10 times

 

[DevonV]

I think not. This must be a troll thread.

 

[Nikes]

I think not. This must be a troll thread.

Naw you just can't think for yourself and follow the hype blindly

 

[Wallcrawler]

How about I prove you all wrong with "LOGIC" Dun dun dahhh!!

You guys say Koto.

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Simply by knowing he was in genjustsu mifune was no longer in the genjutsu.
Enma who has known Hiruzen for quite a long time will have no problem keeping Hiruzen from being controlled or dying. And holding him will give him a way to disrupt his chakra flow.

You guys all know who Hiruzen is and you know his relationship with Danzo. So tell me if KA worked on Hiruzen why did Danzo never try to use it on Hiruzen? Hiruzen is a master at all types of Ninjutsu, INCLUDING genjutsu which he has a 5 in the databooks in.
So to comply that KA works tell me why Enma couldn't stop KA and why Danzo didn't use it before.

You guys want to say that everything he has is better.

If nobody knows Danzo sucks. He had Izanagi because he would die in a real fight.
Hiruzen would only need to use basic fire style to counteract Danzo's futon which is weak to Katon. Danzo has the seal, You guys can say oh well he will use the seal and its over.

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Enma can act on his own no problem.

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How will Danzo get through a cage or deal with Enma while Hiruzen wills his way out of the seal?

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Done by Sasuke.
Hiruzen was also a genius who was called the Professor for his knowledge of Jutsu and Intelligence.

Futon beat by Katon
KA beat by summon and History of its 10 or so years of not working against him. (show proof if it has)
Chimera summon destroyed by the staff. Which had pushed the Kyuubi out of the village.
Izanagi beat by attacking for 10 minutes. Hiruzen was a genius and could deduce the technique fast enough so he was not wasting chakra.

And as a last resort he has RDS. Which is a draw.

Hiruzen wins.

 

[Exaar]

Danzo > Edo madara, that doesn't mean he is stronger.

Danzo > hashirama.

It's just that KA is pure hax.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Futon beat by Katon
KA beat by summon and History of its 10 or so years of not working against him. (show proof if it has)

theres no proof he ever tried casting it on him. and katon > fuuton only applies if the katon is on that fuutons level.

Izanagi beat by attacking for 10 minutes. Hiruzen was a genius and could deduce the technique fast enough so he was not wasting chakra.

sasuke took quite a while to figure it out and even then doesnt understand it fully

Hiruzen wills his way out of the seal?

sasuke is unique. his hate made his powers manifest higher and grow. hiruzen just being benevolent wont help

How will Danzo get through a cage

its a goddamn cage. he shoots him with fuuton bullets

had Izanagi because he would die in a real fight.

so having a genjutsu makes it not a real fight?

Simply by knowing he was in genjustsu mifune was no longer in the genjutsu.

its never said the genjutsu was lifted and i suppose ao broke him out offscreen

 

[Vexorian]

Danzo like he was when he fought Sasuke is stronger than Hiruzen ever was, of course we don't know how he was in his prime, but I do know his wind attacks were top notch and his Izanagi would get the best of Hiruzen.

The bolded part is wrong. The rest is true enough. If Hiruzen had his Prime, it'd be over for Danzo I think.

As for Koto Amatsukami, Enma easily fixes it. That's the downfall of all genjutsu, including Tsukiyomi.

 

[Wallcrawler]

theres no proof he ever tried casting it on him. and katon > fuuton only applies if the katon is on that fuutons level.

sasuke took quite a while to figure it out and even then doesnt understand it fully

sasuke is unique. his hate made his powers manifest higher and grow. hiruzen just being benevolent wont help

its a goddamn cage. he shoots him with fuuton bullets
so having a genjutsu makes it not a real fight?

its never said the genjutsu was lifted and i suppose ao broke him out offscreen

Hiruzens Katon was easily above Danzo's Futon.

Hiruzen is a genius who was called the professor who knew every technique in the village. If Sasuke can figure it out then he will have no problem.

Danzo could not make any Fuuton that could get through his cage Enma can change his size at will to protect Hiruzen.

The Genjutsu was no longer valid when Mifune became aware.
Mifune did not decide Danzo for the leader anymore either.
And that is all it takes for you to get out of it plus Enma can affect his chakra flow.

 

[Nikes]

Hiruzens Katon was easily above Danzo's Futon.

Hiruzen is a genius who was called the professor who knew every technique in the village. If Sasuke can figure it out then he will have no problem.

Danzo could not make any Fuuton that could get through his cage Enma can change his size at will to protect Hiruzen.

The Genjutsu was no longer valid when Mifune became aware.
Mifune did not decide Danzo for the leader anymore either.
And that is all it takes for you to get out of it plus Enma can affect his chakra flow.

Yes.

Danzos summon>Enma

Wrong, Danzo had to cancel the genjutsu, why? Because everyone would start fighting because the jutsu was sensed by a sensor.

 

[Wallcrawler]

Yes.

Danzos summon>Enma

Wrong, Danzo had to cancel the genjutsu, why? Because everyone would start fighting because the jutsu was sensed by a sensor.

Danzo summon does not even compare to Enma all it takes is one push from him and he is out.
And Katon>The chimera

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He did not fight and you do not have to cancel a genjutsu. People use genjutsu to freeze their opponent and still continue fighting.

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People can use genjutsu and still fight.
He knew he was in it and it was ineffective if they know they are in it.
Plus Enma can disrupt chakra flow.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Hiruzens Katon was easily above Danzo's Futon.

no feats suggest hiruzens dragon can beat both baku and the wind suction bullets. baku can appear behind danzo and suck hiruzen in so danzo can grab him and place curse seal or stab him with wind sword.

As for Koto Amatsukami, Enma easily fixes it

enma didnt think hiruzen was under any genjutsus when hiruzen wasnt acting himself vs orochimaru. if its subtle enough he can make hiruzen think hes somewhere when he isnt and force him to waste his jutsus.

Hiruzen is a genius who was called the professor who knew every technique in the village

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izaangi hasnt been used by anyone who was a member of the village. oro gave it to danzo from research on ancient uchiha techs.

Mifune did not decide Danzo for the leader anymore either.

"i would have picked you anyway" mifune said that. likely a thought placed on him by koto. koto is like inception. mifuen thinks the koto thoughts are his real thoughts.