[Discussion] Religious effects.

[Maderator]

It started as a mosque, and is not oldest but the probably among oldest of the Universities continuously working- i.e. lucky enough not to face invaders.

Nalanda was a proper university and centries older and would have been continuous if it wasnt ransacked. -it was a major center of studies but went down because of - effects of religious zeal.

It was not the first learning center destroyed in the world - Most cases such as Nalanda happen not because people hated knowledge itself but didn't want the diiferent views to exist or to challange them.

Every religion respects knowledge- theoritically. It is up to the followers to use common sense and not let themselves get blinded by their zeal.

Looks like someone did their research

 

['Toxic]

Religion pretty much halts intelligence. It can provide structure for some people who are straying down the wrong path, though a lot of religion rules by fear, telling people that if they dont do this or if they do that, they are doomed to hell, which scares people into proper behavior. While the end results can be good, is that really the right way to change someones behavior? And the fact that some religions try to halt scientific progress and technological advancements, and tell people what freedoms they can and cant have, I think it is of a too oppressive nature, and that should only be used in moderation, by people who choose to believe, not people who are told they have to believe.

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[Ashflura]

It started as a mosque, and is not oldest but the probably among oldest of the Universities continuously working- i.e. lucky enough not to face invaders.

Nalanda was a proper university and centries older and would have been continuous if it wasnt ransacked. -it was a major center of studies but went down because of - effects of religious zeal.

It was not the first learning center destroyed in the world - Most cases such as Nalanda happen not because people hated knowledge itself but didn't want the diiferent views to exist or to challange them.

Every religion respects knowledge- theoritically. It is up to the followers to use common sense and not let themselves get blinded by their zeal.

that wasnt the first university, it was some form of higher education but not an university just back then, the first form of University was in Bologna and the first universities as we know them today were from Germany (the german model I mean)

Nalanda seemed like an interesting place, the images available were nice to look at. Sad that it was overrun.

Just did some research, google corrected me. Al-Azhar is the oldest university roughly built in 970 AD. The Bologna University came roughly 100 years after that, and the Karaouine University was inbetween those. Different terms for university may be taken into custom. I take it as an element of higher degree where people go to learn.

Either way my initial stand point was that Islam encourages knowledge for both men and women and that it isn't shunned.

 

[aunhyuga]

I am a Muslim, and What i think Religion is suppose to be is to answer those questions which science cannnot, Like how was eath formed or what would happen after we die ? , well, Relgion effects alot and reflects in your personality.It might not affect our intelligence but surely changes our perceptions, Manners , How we treat people and how should we live as a society,nation.
As there are black sheeps everywhere in the world , Religious people might be rude or polite , But it doesn't mean religion is to be blamed but only that person.
All the religions are Unifrom when it comes to ethics and treating people.
Not a single religion preaches racism, terrorism . violence and etc.
So In the end it comes down to us whether we are allowing religion to change ourselves or not ???

 

[Avani]

Nalanda seemed like an interesting place, the images available were nice to look at. Sad that it was overrun.

Just did some research, google corrected me. Al-Azhar is the oldest university roughly built in 970 AD. The Bologna University came roughly 100 years after that, and the Karaouine University was inbetween those. Different terms for university may be taken into custom. I take it as an element of higher degree where people go to learn.
Either way my initial stand point was that Islam encourages knowledge for both men and women and that it isn't shunned.

I mentioned Nalanda because the way we count the oldest universities gives the false impression that there were no universities before that.

As for center for higher learning then Universities were back there before CE. Takshshila (Taxila). Scattered references (Chinese , Sri Lankan accounts etc ) in later works indicate that Takshashila dated back to at least the 5th century BCE and continued till it's destruction in the 5th century. It was for higher education only - minimum ages of admition was 16 years.

 

[Anorien16]

There are numerous views on God and religions in our planet and all of them claims to be true when they dont even consider the whole universe into consideration. But nearly all religions teach about peace, balance, equality, compassion and ethics . . . . so all religions are good and true in the essence. Its the people and the corrupt successors who are at fault: Jesus taught about equality and love but it was the white Christians who treated blacks in a inhuman way, Hindu Gods are said to have created everything but treat their sections of their own people as low birth etc.
People especially those in power usually corrupts the laws to their own advantage to serve them better, which results in all the troubles we face today.

 

[Ashflura]

I mentioned Nalanda because the way we count the oldest universities gives the false impression that there were no universities before that.

As for center for higher learning then Universities were back there before CE. Takshshila (Taxila). Scattered references (Chinese , Sri Lankan accounts etc ) in later works indicate that Takshashila dated back to at least the 5th century BCE and continued till it's destruction in the 5th century. It was for higher education only - minimum ages of admition was 16 years.

I love knowledge as much as Ice Cream!:ice:
I wouldn't be surprised if there were more educational centres even before the 5th Century, just lost among time. It's sad when some people believe that people before the Dark Ages were unenlightened...just because Europe wasn't going through the best of times, it doesn't mean the rest of the world was.

 

[YowYan]

Religions primary purpose was to bring all the people >back< to the understanding of oneness. That we ourselves are god, etc.

Now, that message did pass on to some people.
But religion was/is used nowadays to dumb down the masses and make them praise a non existing man made-god. Therefore, making it easier to control us. The results? Look at society, a mess. Most religious people are close minded idiots. I myself took all the wise words and knowledge out of religious scripts, left out the garbage, and kept an open mind to things.

 

[Avani]

I love knowledge as much as Ice Cream!:ice:
I wouldn't be surprised if there were more educational centres even before the 5th Century, just lost among time. It's sad when some people believe that people before the Dark Ages were unenlightened...just because Europe wasn't going through the best of times, it doesn't mean the rest of the world was.

Probably yes.

Nalanda is considered a modern university. Takshshila- some do not except is as a modern one on technical grounds as it's teachers might not have been affiliated with any college and such. But still it was attracting students from other Asian countries, tought all kinds of subjects available at the time and it's main focus was on higher studies.

After it's destruction it left a big gap suddently as the next nearest university was said to be 60 days journey away.

But something like Takshshila or Nalanda doesn't develope out of blue and gets famous over night. There would have been some other education centers predating it.

 

[DevonV]

There are ZERO pros to religion.

 

[Avani]

There are ZERO pros to religion.

And yet what is religion but the reflection of the culture, society, people and their thoughts of the time they came to be and how they changed overtime.

 

[Ashflura]

There are ZERO pros to religion.

You can't think of not one itty bitty one?xd

 

[kakashi owns all]

it all depends on what type

intelligence- some yes some make you stay out of trouble and that helps you to learn

behavior- 100% all most stop bad behavior

habits- same as above