How to stop Edo Madara?

[SilverSlick]

We dont know how fast madara is and we dont know what all jutsu he knows. Implying that madara would lose just because tobi has s/t jutsu is dumb because if you are saying that you are basically saying that noone can beat him or minato, or shisui and anyone else who had s/t jutsu. The fact of the matter is tobi isnt on madara's level despite what people think. For all we know madara could know s/t jutsu to

Lol

1. Shisui doesn't have a S/T Tech.
2. Minato isn't unbeatable. He doesn't have infinite kunai, can't go intangible and can't go anywhere in space on a whim.
3. You can't assume how fast he is and can't assume he has a s/t since he hasn't shown it.
4. Pure speed cannot counter Tobi's intangibility since he goes intangible instantaneously.
5. Can you at least give some facts before you say Madara's on another level than Tobi?
Tobi has better genjutsu(fact). Madara doesn't have speed feats nor does he have a s/t technique(fact). Tobi is more intelligent(fact). Tobi has Senju DNA and Rinnegan like Madara(fact)

Please, tell us how he is not on Madara's level. I'd love to here your answer.

Also, I'd love to state the obvious about Tobi's S/T technique.
1. Tobi's intangibility is instantaneous.
2. Tobi's S/T tech defeats the purpose of ALL of Madara's attacks.
3. There is no counter to Tobi's S/T tech except for another S/T tech
4. Related to above. There is no counter to Tobi's warping ability except for another S/T technique.
5. Tobi can move ANYWHERE in space, meaning he can warp inside Madara's perfect susano'o.

Concerning 4. Once Tobi grabs a hold of you and starts the process of sucking you in, there is no escape unless you have a S/T tech.

I didn't even mention the Gedo Mazo or his 6 bijuus. I didn't even mention his large chakra reserves and his mastery of all 5 chakra natures because of Rinnegan. Also, there is Chibaku Tensei and Shinra Tensei, that is if you want to count all of that. Of course, Madara has those abilities.

 

[Jinton Spam]

Hashirama >.> Madara himself said he's the only one that can stand up to him :y

he didnt knew of tobi's powers so he stated hashirama as the only one
same goes for naruto

 

[Kisame18]

Lol

1. Shisui doesn't have a S/T Tech.
2. Minato isn't unbeatable. He doesn't have infinite kunai, can't go intangible and can't go anywhere in space on a whim.
3. You can't assume how fast he is and can't assume he has a s/t since he hasn't shown it.
4. Pure speed cannot counter Tobi's intangibility since he goes intangible instantaneously.
5. Can you at least give some facts before you say Madara's on another level than Tobi?
Tobi has better genjutsu(fact). Madara doesn't have speed feats nor does he have a s/t technique(fact). Tobi is more intelligent(fact). Tobi has Senju DNA and Rinnegan like Madara(fact)

Please, tell us how he is not on Madara's level. I'd love to here your answer.

Also, I'd love to state the obvious about Tobi's S/T technique.
1. Tobi's intangibility is instantaneous.
2. Tobi's S/T tech defeats the purpose of ALL of Madara's attacks.
3. There is no counter to Tobi's S/T tech except for another S/T tech
4. Related to above. There is no counter to Tobi's warping ability except for another S/T technique.
5. Tobi can move ANYWHERE in space, meaning he can warp inside Madara's perfect susano'o.

Concerning 4. Once Tobi grabs a hold of you and starts the process of sucking you in, there is no escape unless you have a S/T tech.

I didn't even mention the Gedo Mazo or his 6 bijuus. I didn't even mention his large chakra reserves and his mastery of all 5 chakra natures because of Rinnegan. Also, there is Chibaku Tensei and Shinra Tensei, that is if you want to count all of that. Of course, Madara has those abilities.

Some of this is true however
1.Shisui did have it that is why they called him shisui the teleporter.
4.Yes pure speed can example.when he fought minato did he just let minato hit him with rasengan
5.Can I get some facts before saying tobi can beat him. All you said was how can he stop his space time jutsu

Where is it proven or does it say tobi has better genjutsu ?He has used genjutsu one time .Where does it say he doesnt have s/t? Where does it say tobi is more intelligent? Considering madara most likely made tobi and zetsu and tobi is following madara's plan and planned in advance to have nagato bring him back to life.
1.His intangiblity is instantanious but not unbeatable
2.We dont know all of his attacks.
4.Just because he can get to him doesnt mean he can win

Just because tobi has space time jutsu doesnt mean he can get to madara lets not forget he has the rinnegan and all of the techniques that come with it.
The bijuu are irrelevant because madara could defeat them He would just need to use shadow clones to fight them.

So you are basically saying that tobi can beat madara because he has space time jutsu and can become intangible instantaneously. Also lets not forget that madara is edo so he cannot be killed and he cannot run out of chakra so even if it did come down to it madara would win because he has more chakra. If tobi were able to get to him how could he seal him.

If there are multiple madara how could tobi beat him? You are still basing all of this off of the little bit of power you have seen from madara. Madara can use the edo tensei.

 

[SilverSlick]

Some of this is true however
1.Shisui did have it that is why they called him shisui the teleporter.
4.Yes pure speed can example.when he fought minato did he just let minato hit him with rasengan
5.Can I get some facts before saying tobi can beat him. All you said was how can he stop his space time jutsu

Where is it proven or does it say tobi has better genjutsu ?He has used genjutsu one time .Where does it say he doesnt have s/t? Where does it say tobi is more intelligent? Considering madara most likely made tobi and zetsu and tobi is following madara's plan and planned in advance to have nagato bring him back to life.
1.His intangiblity is instantanious but not unbeatable
2.We dont know all of his attacks.
4.Just because he can get to him doesnt mean he can win

Just because tobi has space time jutsu doesnt mean he can get to madara lets not forget he has the rinnegan and all of the techniques that come with it.
The bijuu are irrelevant because madara could defeat them He would just need to use shadow clones to fight them.

So you are basically saying that tobi can beat madara because he has space time jutsu and can become intangible instantaneously. Also lets not forget that madara is edo so he cannot be killed and he cannot run out of chakra so even if it did come down to it madara would win because he has more chakra. If tobi were able to get to him how could he seal him.

If there are multiple madara how could tobi beat him? You are still basing all of this off of the little bit of power you have seen from madara. Madara can use the edo tensei.

Shisui was known for his body flicker technique which is kinda like teleporting. About the speed thing, you're not understanding what I'm trying to say. Minato clearly won because of his S/T tech. He teleported, at the speed of light, and hit him with a Rasengan. That is so much more different than just punching fast. Like I said earlier, his intangibility is instantaneous. It certainly not unbeatable, but Madara can't do anything to him because it hasn't been shown that he has speed feats or a s/t tech

So Naruto has a S/T tech since hasn't been said anywhere that he doesn't have it, right?
His genjutsu is better, why? Because his genjutsu that was controlling Yagura was compared to kotoamatsukami, the most powerful genjutsu to date.

You're kinda not getting me on the s/t tech thing. How does defeat Madara? Simple, warps him to his pocket dimension. None of his attacks will work on Tobi. Except human path I think, but Tobi has that too.

I'm just trying to get you to see that Tobi is on Madara's level. Tobi having Rinnegan and S/T tech should automatically mean he's on Madara's level. Whether he can defeat him is another matter though he certainly has the right techniques to do so.

 

[Kisame18]

Shisui was known for his body flicker technique which is kinda like teleporting. About the speed thing, you're not understanding what I'm trying to say. Minato clearly won because of his S/T tech. He teleported, at the speed of light, and hit him with a Rasengan. That is so much more different than just punching fast. Like I said earlier, his intangibility is instantaneous. It certainly not unbeatable, but Madara can't do anything to him because it hasn't been shown that he has speed feats or a s/t tech

So Naruto has a S/T tech since hasn't been said anywhere that he doesn't have it, right?
His genjutsu is better, why? Because his genjutsu that was controlling Yagura was compared to kotoamatsukami, the most powerful genjutsu to date.

You're kinda not getting me on the s/t tech thing. How does defeat Madara? Simple, warps him to his pocket dimension. None of his attacks will work on Tobi. Except human path I think, but Tobi has that too.

I'm just trying to get you to see that Tobi is on Madara's level. Tobi having Rinnegan and S/T tech should automatically mean he's on Madara's level. Whether he can defeat him is another matter though he certainly has the right techniques to do so.

Ok I see what you are saying he is on his level I still dont think he can beat madara and just one more thing as for his genjutsu tobi controlled the mizukage madara controlled the nine tailed fox

 

[kent0005]

Currently, I think nothing can stop madara. Naruto most powerful technique rasenshiruken has no effect on him. In his ninetails mode might have a chance but he needs to find way to seal him. Naruto doesnt know any sealing jutsu unless fourth hokage taught him how to do reaper jutsu.
Tobi hasnt been shown in combat and if he so scared of madara coffin, probably b.c he knows madara can beat him. Only if tobi is elder sons or sage of sixth path maybe stand a chance.

 

[DevonV]

Now that Madara is no longer an edo I think that the five kage could defeat him.

 

[Kisame18]

Now that Madara is no longer an edo I think that the five kage could defeat him.

nah they still cant because even when he fought them he was toying with them.