madara did give nagato the rinnegan

can nagato really achieve the rinnegan by himself


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madara had to give nagato the rinnegan since it is the only known way to unlock it and it's a evolution from the sharingan,usually when tobi says something he twists the truth but he usually the main point is right.
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Usually when you are about to die when you have a dojutsu it would turn off or just because of the low amount of chakra you are getting in the state of your body your dojutsu can't come on since it is too low and you need a certain amount of chakra to activate your sharingan, so if you have no chakra to keep your dojutsu on your dojutsu would deactivate.
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if madara and tobi really worked together and gave plans for the future after obtaining hashirama dna and even madara knew nagato somehow when he was a kid then he could just transplant it to nagato because the only known way to unlock the rinnegan is from the elder son side which is the natural evolution.
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well ao the one in the hidden mist who took the byakugan on his journey was able to deactivate his own on will and the byakugan can do this so shouldn't the rinnegan be able to be deactivated at will since it is origin of the byakugan and both eye don't seem to have cause strain to the user unless you over use them unlike the sharingan which the technique's strain the user's who use them and especially the user's who transplant them like kakashi unlike tobi and ao.
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basically if nagato doesn't have a uchiha body to naturally use the dojutsu's then he can only use the dominent one which would be the rinnegan since madara died and had to die before tobi did the operation on nagato since madara has his dojutsu's on and you are revive like how you were before you died.

so tobi just switched nagato's eyes with the dead madara and since the rinnegan is really the most dominant dojutsu he can only use that one unlike the mangekyou sharingan which is considered the same as the sharingan but just advanced form but the eternal mangekyou sharingan is a new dojutsu and the rinnegan is a new dominant version of all of those dojutsu so nagato would only use one since he got madara's eye transplanted.
so if nagato got a normal madara eye he can awake it but only use the dominant one since he doesn't have the uchiha body but can use it well since he is related to the sage of six path.

this is just a theory
 

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I guess this is the flavor of the day, is it?
 

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Madara IS THE ONLY ONE IN NARUTOVERSE WHO OBTAINED RINNEGAN HIMSELF.

It makes it obvious, Tobi said that cause he pretended to be Madara.
 

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Tobi said HE gave him the rinnegan, not madara
how can tobi give him the rinnegan if he doesn't have the mangekyou sharingan it doesn't make sense and tobi called himself madara at that time to konan so he said madara gave nagato the rinnegan but tobi could have just transplanted it
I guess this is the flavor of the day, is it?

yep
 

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I've said something like this before,everything Tobi said to Konan was a lie because it wasn't him who did that ,but it was the real Madara.Tobi just said those things about Madara because they thought he was Madara.
 

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Madara IS THE ONLY ONE IN NARUTOVERSE WHO OBTAINED RINNEGAN HIMSELF.

It makes it obvious, Tobi said that cause he pretended to be Madara.

What about the so6p?
 

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I guess this is the flavor of the day, is it?
Yup

I'm still going with Tobi on this one. I don't know if he gave Nagato the Rinnegan, but I'm sure he influenced Yahiko to form Akatsuki and Rinne Tensei was definitely meant for him, not the original Madara.
 

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Madara gave his eyes to tobi before he died who then gave them to nagato.
 

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Madara IS THE ONLY ONE IN NARUTOVERSE WHO OBTAINED RINNEGAN HIMSELF.

It makes it obvious, Tobi said that cause he pretended to be Madara.

Sage of 6 paths?

Ill wait to its shown in the manga however i do agree unless Madara is Nagatos father or relative its highly likely it was implanted
 

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I've said something like this before,everything Tobi said to Konan was a lie because it wasn't him who did that ,but it was the real Madara.Tobi just said those things about Madara because they thought he was Madara.
that is the reason
What about the so6p?

Yup
his eyes and body are long gone
I'm still going with Tobi on this one. I don't know if he gave Nagato the Rinnegan, but I'm sure he influenced Yahiko to form Akatsuki and Rinne Tensei was definitely meant for him, not the original Madara.
but tobi doesn't have any of the materials to form the rinnegan but tobi and madara seem to be on similar terms and tobi even took madara plan of taking care of nagato and the moon eye plann
Madara gave his eyes to tobi before he died who then gave them to nagato.

madara had to die first because edo tensai revived him with his rinnegan so madara died with it.
 

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This has already been discussed and since the last stale mate between to faction of thought no relevant information has been released regarding this issue. So I don't see the point of making this thread other to make an open field for a flame war and possible going on hot threads top.

Please refrain from making threads like this unless you have new information or a completely new approach to the issue.

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how can tobi give him the rinnegan if he doesn't have the mangekyou sharingan it doesn't make sense and tobi called himself madara at that time to konan so he said madara gave nagato the rinnegan but tobi could have just transplanted it


yep

He does have a MS. Wanna know why he never uses it or replaces it to get EMS? He doesn't want go blind. If he does or he removes it for another one, he'll lose his valuable S/T Migration technique.
 

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This has already been discussed and since the last stale mate between to faction of thought no relevant information has been released regarding this issue. So I don't see the point of making this thread other to make an open field for a flame war and possible going on hot threads top.

Please refrain from making threads like this unless you have new information or a completely new approach to the issue.

Thanks.

all im saying which is different is that madara had to die with eyes on him before nagato took his eyes because edo tensai revived madara and edo tensaii brings back the user with the abilities they had before they died so this is different from the other discussions i saw.
 

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He does have a MS. Wanna know why he never uses it or replaces it to get EMS? He doesn't want go blind. If he does or he removes it for another one, he'll lose his valuable S/T Migration technique.

if he really does have ems he wouldn't lose his own space time since it is his sharingan combined with another like how sasuke still has his tech's.
 

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all im saying which is different is that madara had to die with eyes on him before nagato took his eyes because edo tensai revived madara and edo tensaii brings back the user with the abilities they had before they died so this is different from the other discussions i saw.

That is not how Edo Tensei works. And even if it were it adds nothing to origin of Nagato's Rinnegan.
 

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all im saying which is different is that madara had to die with eyes on him before nagato took his eyes because edo tensai revived madara and edo tensaii brings back the user with the abilities they had before they died so this is different from the other discussions i saw.
If he died with the Rinnegan, doesn't that mean Madara never gave it to him? Because a child wouldn't just get some dead guys eyes to replace them with his own. This means Tobi got Madara's eyes and gave them to Nagato which I find highly illogical because I would keep them if I was someone like Tobi. Or, they were Tobi's to begin with and he gave them to Nagato under the name of Madara so that Nagato would revive Tobi(he who thought was Madara) with Rinne Tensei. I'm sure I'm wrong though.
 

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if he really does have ems he wouldn't lose his own space time since it is his sharingan combined with another like how sasuke still has his tech's.
I never said he had it, I said the reason why he wouldn't switch his MS for someone elses to get another MS and possibly unlock EMS was because he would lose his S/T tech which is unique to his own right sharingan.
 

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That is not how Edo Tensei works. And even if it were it adds nothing to origin of Nagato's Rinnegan.

That is how edo tensei works... you are revived at the time of your death. Itachi died WITH his eyes so he was revived with them, even though Sasuke took them it was after his death. Madara obviously died WITH rinnegan because he has it now
 
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