[Discussion] Religious effects.

[Pavoneo]

So, I was just thinking and decided I might as well make a thread about it to hear your guys' opinions about the matter.

How do you guys think religion effects things such as intelligence, behaviour, habits, and whatnot?

I understand we're going to have different standpoints depending on what religion you practice, but it's nice to have a new point of view on an old thought.

I personally have my own opinion buy I'll keep them hidden for now because I want to hear your own opinion and for you to not just agree with me.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Im Atheist
personally i think religion is a double edged sword
it makes someone/a group behave a lot better than if they where atheist IN MOST CASES(not all).
but intellegence wise through personal experience,religious people deem science as pointless which does stop us from progressing (or atleast slow us down)
religious people tend to be more friendly etc.
i was brought up as a christian but turned towards atheism when i realised/thought its a bit too supernatural......

please dont flame

 

[Skylar Knight]

Nice thread I dont really think it affect people so much these days, but there is still people who can ... "change" ... Im an atheist is you wondered

 

[Awkward Linguist]

I zunno :shrug:

 

[AP2k]

I'm not religous, so i wouldn't say it affects my every day decisions. I like the Bible, and a lot of what it preaches, it says a lot of things that are really really smart. But then is says crap about homosexuals and women and the such that are absolute BS. I feel that people need to use their own interpretation of books like that more, its 2,000 years old. Stop taking everything it says so literally.

 

[Pavoneo]

Im Atheist
personally i think religion is a double edged sword
it makes someone/a group behave a lot better than if they where atheist IN MOST CASES(not all).
but intellegence wise through personal experience,religious people deem science as pointless which does stop us from progressing (or atleast slow us down)
religious people tend to be more friendly etc.
i was brought up as a christian but turned towards atheism when i realised/thought its a bit too supernatural......

please dont flame

Mmm, a good way to put it. I've met some really rude religious people, I've asked someone why they were mad once.. They said because there's so many people trying to disprove god and said they're all stupid and don't know what they're talking about. Then he pushed me out of the way and stormed off ._. changed how I viewed quite a few things. Obviously I won't judge the majority based on a minority but I suppose it's just food for thought.

[EDIT]

I'm not religous, so i wouldn't say it affects my every day decisions. I like the Bible, and a lot of what it preaches, it says a lot of things that are really really smart. But then is says crap about homosexuals and women and the such that are absolute BS. I feel that people need to use their own interpretation of books like that more, its 2,000 years old. Stop taking everything it says so literally.

Ehh, I could say a few things about this. Times have definitely changed since the Bible was made, yet people still feel like following every rule to the book. People tend to ignore things they don't like in the bible, for example you're not supposed to shave and you can never even "look" at a women (check her out) yet people feel like doing both of those then go to a rally and protest gays are hated by god and are going to hell. Hypocrites I tell you D: Hypocrites!

Also, there's been other things that were in the Bible that are ruled as illegal in todays society, why? Because times change. I'm trying to say that in the Bible there was things like Slavery, Child Labor, No Womens Rights, other things I can't think of right now.. There's a reason they're not in todays society, because people realized that they're morally wrong, so in my opinion, being gay will be considered normal and gay rights will be given within the next 5-10 years because it's just another thing on the list.

 

[killa sage]

well sometimes people go overboard with riligion
its all my granny talks about

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

How do you guys think religion effects things such as intelligence, behaviour, habits, and whatnot?

I think religion can have positive or negative effects depending on the individual.

Intelligence:
Pros-Having a moral background (provided by religion) can enforce hard work and diligence in one's studies.

Cons-Faith is a very unscientific concept and encourages one to disregard the scientific process. Also, depending on how literally a religion interprets its texts, it can discourage understanding of basic scientific tenants.

Behavior:
Pros-Most religions tend to teach some form of peace amongst men and have some sort of moral framework that's generally agreeable. When those teachings are followed, religious people can be some of the best behaved individuals.

Cons-When one believes in a god/gods that a responsible for everything, they can use their belief to justify obscene actions. Additionally, if one honestly believe theirs is the one true path, they can tend towards a "holier-than-though" attitude.

Habits:
...basically the same as behavior...

 

[maiavarepz]

its different for all people, some people have found wise words in religion, like "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" by Ghandi.

my view on intelligence and religion

Spoiler

for me, i ask God to help me remember things like notes and stuff for a test, but he can't help to bring to remembrance what was not put there, so your part is to put the info in there, and Gods part is to help you remember.

thats my belief

and also, the main part on your end is to believe, so don't go and join a religion thinking it will help you in intelligence, because if you don't really believe it won't work, also, if you go there for selfish intentions where it is all about you and not focus of your religion is, it kinda makes you, something else rather than what you were trying to achieve.

on the behavior side, it can have a major affect.

Spoiler

now i had some really atheist family friends, who never really gave a damn about other people, and my dad challenged them, to read a chapter of the bible a day. not for them to be converted but to see if it made a change, and it did. they changed in their behavior without them themselves realizing it. this is a challenge, anyone could try, but keep in mind, do it with an open mind, just read, get it over and done with, and go about your day........

this is my 2cent piece so yeah

 

[Higekage]

I guess it's a bit like society. You can blindly follow, think that the leaders are always right, or give some thought to the whole system and question/analyze it. Depending on what way you use religion it will determine all factors you listed like behavior, intelligence, habits.
I think religion is good as long as it's not based on power

 

[Vasto Lordé]

Mmm, a good way to put it. I've met some really rude religious people, I've asked someone why they were mad once.. They said because there's so many people trying to disprove god and said they're all stupid and don't know what they're talking about. Then he pushed me out of the way and stormed off ._. changed how I viewed quite a few things. Obviously I won't judge the majority based on a minority but I suppose it's just food for thought.

[EDIT]

Ehh, I could say a few things about this. Times have definitely changed since the Bible was made, yet people still feel like following every rule to the book. People tend to ignore things they don't like in the bible, for example you're not supposed to shave and you can never even "look" at a women (check her out) yet people feel like doing both of those then go to a rally and protest gays are hated by god and are going to hell.

Also, there's been other things that were in the Bible that are ruled as illegal in todays society, why? Because times change. I'm trying to say that in the Bible there was things like Slavery, Child Labor, No Womens Rights, other things I can't think of right now.. There's a reason they're not in todays society, because people realized that they're morally wrong, so in my opinion, being gay will be considered normal and gay rights will be given within the next 5-10 years because it's just another thing on the list.

I've seen your post/opinion, got some serious mistakes right there, though i'm not gonna participate/correct no more, the Minority here are religious and we always get flamed, that's the reason the mods banned these threads for a while. Have fun with your discussion, I hope it stays Civil.

 

[Pavoneo]

I think religion can have positive or negative effects depending on the individual.

Intelligence:
Pros-Having a moral background (provided by religion) can enforce hard work and diligence in one's studies.

Cons-Faith is a very unscientific concept and encourages one to disregard the scientific process. Also, depending on how literally a religion interprets its texts, it can discourage understanding of basic scientific tenants.

Behavior:
Pros-Most religions tend to teach some form of peace amongst men and have some sort of moral framework that's generally agreeable. When those teachings are followed, religious people can be some of the best behaved individuals.

Cons-When one believes in a god/gods that a responsible for everything, they can use their belief to justify obscene actions. Additionally, if one honestly believe theirs is the one true path, they can tend towards a "holier-than-though" attitude.

Habits:
...basically the same as behavior...

You like to take things I say quite literally xD. You always answer the question differently than everyone else :3. But yes, I definitely agree with what you say. If you don't mind me asking, what religion do you believe in?

 

[Rosco Wellington]

Depends on the person really. Most people claim religions they don't even practice in their everyday life. On the other hand anything can become a religion with enough time/attention invested. For example in the country of Argentina soccer is a religion. They have a church for it and everything

 

[Apollyn]

Religion is for the weak minded people who require a form of belief to help then through there lives.
Also priests use religion to get into a choir boys pants.

 

[Pavoneo]

I've seen your post/opinion, got some serious mistakes right there, though i'm not gonna participate/correct no more, the Minority here are religious and we always get flamed, that's the reason the mods banned these threads for a while. Have fun with your discussion, I hope it stays Civil.

I'll be honest, I don't know everything about religion and I could have easily misinterpreted something. Care to point my mistakes out? Just because you're the minority doesn't mean you'll be flamed (well, at least by me).. Ignore anyone that flames you, I'd like to hear things from the religious side of the base. That's why I made the thread^^.

 

[AP2k]

I've seen your post/opinion, got some serious mistakes right there, though i'm not gonna participate/correct no more, the Minority here are religious and we always get flamed, that's the reason the mods banned these threads for a while. Have fun with your discussion, I hope it stays Civil.

When 90% of the world believe in god, you aren't the minority anywhere. If you would like to post something saying how god affects your life in a positive manner, go ahead and do so. That is how an intelligent conversation is started.

 

[Thegreatflash]

I'm an avid christian, and , by definition, "religious" i guess you could say, And i think the major problem with religion is that it's often associated with being closed-minded and judgmental. That's not what any religion is about really (to the best of my knowledge) but because religion('s) are so often misinterpreted, it does have those negative effects.

 

[Pavoneo]

its different for all people, some people have found wise words in religion, like "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" by Ghandi.

my view on intelligence and religion

Spoiler

for me, i ask God to help me remember things like notes and stuff for a test, but he can't help to bring to remembrance what was not put there, so your part is to put the info in there, and Gods part is to help you remember.

thats my belief

and also, the main part on your end is to believe, so don't go and join a religion thinking it will help you in intelligence, because if you don't really believe it won't work, also, if you go there for selfish intentions where it is all about you and not focus of your religion is, it kinda makes you, something else rather than what you were trying to achieve.

on the behavior side, it can have a major affect.

Spoiler

now i had some really atheist family friends, who never really gave a damn about other people, and my dad challenged them, to read a chapter of the bible a day. not for them to be converted but to see if it made a change, and it did. they changed in their behavior without them themselves realizing it. this is a challenge, anyone could try, but keep in mind, do it with an open mind, just read, get it over and done with, and go about your day........

this is my 2cent piece so yeah

Mmm, interesting thought on the matter ._.

I guess it's a bit like society. You can blindly follow, think that the leaders are always right, or give some thought to the whole system and question/analyze it. Depending on what way you use religion it will determine all factors you listed like behavior, intelligence, habits.
I think religion is good as long as it's not based on power

Yeah, I guess you're right. It depends on how much you actually think about what's happening that determines how you feel about the situation. Of course there's times where you can over think something and conspiracies can be the outcome :3.

Depends on the person really. Most people claim religions they don't even practice in their everyday life. On the other hand anything can become a religion with enough time/attention invested. For example in the country of Argentina soccer is a religion. They have a church for it and everything

Oh my god o_o soccer is a religion in Argentina? Say, some of my friends tell me this but I don't know if it's true. I'm from America and my friends say other countries take Football (Soccer) so seriously that if they lose a game due to a player they'll kill that player. I doubt it's true but you never know ._.

Religion is for the weak minded people who require a form of belief to help then through there lives.
Also priests use religion to get into a choir boys pants.

:| Let's not bash a religion here, I'd like to keep it civil.

I'm an avid christian, and , by definition, "religious" i guess you could say, And i think the major problem with religion is that it's often associated with being closed-minded and judgmental. That's not what any religion is about really (to the best of my knowledge) but because religion('s) are so often misinterpreted, it does have those negative effects.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from^^.

 

[CleverMonkey]

Religion is for the weak minded people who require a form of belief to help then through there lives.
Also priests use religion to get into a choir boys pants.

It is closeminded people like you that makes it almost impossible for atheists and religious people to live side by side.

I think there are good and bad things in every kind of religion. The only thing that make me dislike religion, is some of the people that take their religion too literate. People that try to force their opinion/religion upon others is one of the things I hate most! So I don't think it is the religion that put up a barrier for religios people when it comes to things like intelligence, but it is the people that follow the religion the wrong way. Some of the smartest and nicest people I know are religious, and I think that having a religion and a holy place to try to reach (i.e. Heaven) is a good thing.
Atheist people that hate on religious people (like the guy I quoted) is also something I hate. People should be able to believe in what they want, without having others push their opinion upon them.

I am a big metal fan, and I listen to almost everything within metal. And I have often heard from people that I will go to Hell for listening to that kind of music, but I usually just asnwer by saying: At least I come to a place with good music :|
Their faces they make is the funniest thing ever xD

I don't judge anyone, nomatter if they believe in Satan, God, Allah, Odin or anything else.
If you don't have anything nice to say about someones believes, then just stfu :|

 

[Vasto Lordé]

I'll be honest, I don't know everything about religion and I could have easily misinterpreted something. Care to point my mistakes out? Just because you're the minority doesn't mean you'll be flamed (well, at least by me).. Ignore anyone that flames you, I'd like to hear things from the religious side of the base. That's why I made the thread^^.

When 90% of the world believe in god, you aren't the minority anywhere. If you would like to post something saying how god affects your life in a positive manner, go ahead and do so. That is how an intelligent conversation is started.

That is both your opinions, you two are able to have a descent conversation, but the majority on here will just flame. But what I meant by the Minority... not in the world but on here on Narutobase. I can point out mistakes based on the bible itself, though I'm not in a position that allows me to speak on Christians' Behalf , I'm only 18 and I still need more to learn.

Now to correct those two statements:

Shaving: No sir, we can shave whenever we want and however we want, BUT it's best to have a descent look, like if you keep your hair long and don't take care of it, then you ( a christian ) is actually insulting his own people, most of the world judge a whole religion on ones actions. Example ( Osama bin laden and Islam ), ( Ceaser or whatever his name in English and Christianity ), so what the bible meant if you can keep yourself in best Shape and always clean and bright then you can keep your hair long and you are entitled to take care of it ( See there, take care of it, not "Don't" cut it ).

Not looking at a woman at all: that is completely wrong sir, the Bible meant do not look at a woman with "lust", you can freely look at her and think she's pretty, I might get to know her and make her my wife. BUT it forbids looking at a woman and thinking "dammmnnnn she's hot, I'll bang dat A$$" or "I'd hit dat".... Etc, those are lust, these don't come from your heart, they come from your brain. In the Bible and any religious book, they clearly state that EVERY single person is born with a pure heart, what makes a person evil/good, is the circumstances and the world around him.

Those two points or any thing that is written in the bible that I've fully understood... I can argue with these and talk about them, but any other things that I don't know about, I would not talk about them cause my explanation can be wrong and I will mess up what my religion originally meant. I hope I don't get flamed now , I know a lot of people will read this ( IF ) and say that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard and "religion is for fools", God doesn't Exist and such words that will make this thread burn lol.

Also, if I may add, and sorry for the double post, when you read on the net, that Music is a sin and is forbidden, please do not believe that Shi*, these accusations are made by individual groups ( Christians and not Christians ) that say that the Bible states that singing or listening to songs are forbidden. No sir, the Bible states that a person is free to sing merry songs and joyful ones to please his God, but the songs that have any sign of siding with Satan and be it Death songs and that insult God are somewhat... well should be avoidable, Our God is a good God, if you listen to these songs and well just "listen" and not live by them, then you are forgiven without second thoughts. though there are some rap songs that only contain cursing and bad words, and insulting people ( calling woman sluts and bitches ) well those are trully ugly and sad to listen to, IMO 3 years ago, all I listened to was Lil wayne, the Game, Kanye west, and those rappers who have bad songs or insult the human nature. Though I still listen to Eminem, I read his songs' lyrics and understand it and make sure it's not bad or anything. There are a lot of good bands that I listen to, Linkin Park, Breaking Benjamin, Skillet ( Best Christian band ever =DD ).

Now I'm sure people will just say this is stupid, you are naive, you need to grow up and such, but good sirs, this is my religion, I like it, and I don't care :3

Also sorry for the triple post XD , but the reason the world looks at religion like this is because EVERYone analyzes some of the things in the Bible to their Liking, there are some definite facts, but I see a lot of people interpreting Christianity to how they like it, and that's just bad for our reputation U_U, but everything I REALLY wanna do in my life and my future is not forbidden by the bible, so I'm sure that's good ^_^. You see, I only listen to the Priests words and Preaches only when I make sure it's stated in the bible LITERALLY and that it's not against it, a lot of custom religions have been made, and you never know when that Priest is actually following the words and reason of the bible or not, so you have to be careful.


*You see why I stopped participating in threads like these 0_0 , I got carried away which result in me walking out of the thread flamed to death.