Jiraiya one shotted two different Akatsuki members - stop underrating

[Prince Charles]

Wrong.

The databook stated the yata mirror changes its properties and attributes based on the attack. It also said it was without form. With that being said, even though it is without form, it changes its properties to nullify an attack. That means that it is simply blocking the attack, not changing shape. I understand what your saying, it just doesn't add up to the facts the databook gives us.

Regardless your just making an assumption. Its a nice idea, but according to the databook your wrong.

nope the db doesnt say im wrong it saids it has no form that doesnt mean it cant take on form.

like a monster from a scary movie having no form but it can take on the form of other plp even tho it has no form.

you get what im trying to say or are you still stupid?

 

[Prince Charles]

anyways i have to go again ill brb in like 1 hour

 

[9th Raikage]

you seriously think the best itachi and kisame can do id draw against 1 person?

i must say your a idiot if you think that

Why am I an idiot for repeating what Itachi stated to be fact? Why are you reduced to name calling?

 

[Unbiased]

nope the db doesnt say im wrong it saids it has no form that doesnt mean it cant take on form.

like a monster from a scary movie having no form but it can take on the form of other plp even tho it has no form.

you get what im trying to say or are you still stupid?

Where is your proof that it can take on form. You made an assumption without any proof whatsoever.

 

[Unbiased]

Why am I an idiot for repeating what Itachi stated to be fact? Why are you reduced to name calling?

He has to share a computer with his mommy, he's probably like 12

 

[Scryed]

It all depends on his opponents abilities and weaknesses. Konan and Kisame are bad match-ups for Jaraiya.

Konan- Oil simply subdued her. Jaraiya is theoretically her weakness since he has access to oil. It was a 1-shot because of the oil which Tobi did not have.

Kisame- His way of fighting involves absorbing his opponent's chakra. Absorbing Sage chakra would be turning him into a stone toad. Since he doesn't really have techniques that are instantanious, it would give Jaraiya time to go into SM. Once in SM, Kisame would have to refrain from absorbing chakra or else it'll be over for him.


Itachi- Instantanious techniques once they are used aside from having to close his eyes before using Tsukyomi and Amaterasu. Susanoo or genjutsu could be used to divert Jaraiya's attention while Itachi uses 2-4 seconds to prep Amaterasu. Once that eye opens, it will be difficult for Jaraiya to dodge if he's focusing on Susanoo as well. Genjutsu that isn't Tsukyomi could also be cast to divert attention by making Jaraiya see attacks or things that aren't really there. Going into SM would be difficult as it is. Though if Jaraiya manages to have Ma and Pa use the frog song, I'm not sure how it works for Itachi to be able to break out of it. Itachi and Sasuke used genjutsu on each other to break out of Tayuya's auditory genjutsu.

 

[9th Raikage]

He has to share a computer with his mommy, he's probably like 12

HA! Valid

 

[9th Raikage]

It all depends on his opponents abilities and weaknesses. Konan and Kisame are bad match-ups for Jaraiya.

Konan- Oil simply subdued her. Jaraiya is theoretically her weakness since he has access to oil. It was a 1-shot because of the oil which Tobi did not have.

Kisame- His way of fighting involves absorbing his opponent's chakra. Absorbing Sage chakra would be turning him into a stone toad. Since he doesn't really have techniques that are instantanious, it would give Jaraiya time to go into SM. Once in SM, Kisame would have to refrain from absorbing chakra or else it'll be over for him.


Itachi- Instantanious techniques once they are used aside from having to close his eyes before using Tsukyomi and Amaterasu. Susanoo or genjutsu could be used to divert Jaraiya's attention while Itachi uses 2-4 seconds to prep Amaterasu. Once that eye opens, it will be difficult for Jaraiya to dodge if he's focusing on Susanoo as well. Genjutsu that isn't Tsukyomi could also be cast to divert attention by making Jaraiya see attacks or things that aren't really there. Going into SM would be difficult as it is. Though if Jaraiya manages to have Ma and Pa use the frog song, I'm not sure how it works for Itachi to be able to break out of it. Itachi and Sasuke used genjutsu on each other to break out of Tayuya's auditory genjutsu.

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[Prince Charles]

Why am I an idiot for repeating what Itachi stated to be fact? Why are you reduced to name calling?

if you honestly believe jman can handle off kisame and itachi then you deserve to be called a idiot you shud know itachi is known to lie :sy:

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

@Prince Charles and Unbiased:

The Yata mirror is a spiritual object that doesn't have form in the traditional sense of the physical world. It is kind of like the way ghosts are depicted. They aren't really physical but they can affect things that are. From what we've seen, the Yata mirror has a set shape or form in the physical world. It hasn't been shown to change this shape, so it won't offer full 360 degree protection. Unbiased is right in that aspect.

Yata mirror isn't really necessary to stop Food Cart Destroyer. It is a simple summoning of a giant frog. The frog is heavy and that is where it gets its destructive power. When the from is summoned then Itachi can just slice an opening in its underbelly to prevent taking damage. Susanoo will protect him enough for this. Compare it to how Neji was able to defend himself against Kidomaru's giant spider dropping on him. The size of the animal doesn't change the consistency of its flesh. There is a reason that Jiraiya never used it on a person. It is relatively easy for them to defend themselves and damage the frog. It was't for the giant snake.

 

[Prince Charles]

He has to share a computer with his mommy, he's probably like 12

Where is your proof that it can take on form. You made an assumption without any proof whatsoever.

:sy:

erm no this is my computer letting my mom use it is a problem ass hole?

calling me a troll yet ur bringing my mom into this :shrug:

without any proof?

fact chakra doesnt have form yet it can take on FORM

that fact right their makes me more right then u

 

[Prince Charles]

@Prince Charles and Unbiased:

The Yata mirror is a spiritual object that doesn't have form in the traditional sense of the physical world. It is kind of like the way ghosts are depicted. They aren't really physical but they can affect things that are. From what we've seen, the Yata mirror has a set shape or form in the physical world. It hasn't been shown to change this shape, so it won't offer full 360 degree protection. Unbiased is right in that aspect.

Yata mirror isn't really necessary to stop Food Cart Destroyer. It is a simple summoning of a giant frog. The frog is heavy and that is where it gets its destructive power. When the from is summoned then Itachi can just slice an opening in its underbelly to prevent taking damage. Susanoo will protect him enough for this. Compare it to how Neji was able to defend himself against Kidomaru's giant spider dropping on him. The size of the animal doesn't change the consistency of its flesh. There is a reason that Jiraiya never used it on a person. It is relatively easy for them to defend themselves and damage the frog. It was't for the giant snake.

nope just because something doesnt have form doesnt mean it cant take form.

 

[GreyWizard93]

didnt itachi say he couldnt beat the j man??

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

if you honestly believe jman can handle off kisame and itachi then you deserve to be called a idiot you shud know itachi is known to lie :sy:

The reason that Itachi retreated was because he wouldn't have been able to use any more MS jutsu. He already used two and it tired him out to the point that his sharingan retracted. Jiraiya is a beast and would probably have been able to take on a weakened Itachi and a fresh Kisame. Also, Itachi didn't want to overuse his MS because he still had plans for Sasuke. The fight would have definitely shortened his life span.

Note: To all the people saying that Ma and Pa could break Jiraiya out of Tsukuyomi... They can't, not Itachi's anyway. For one the more complex the genjutsu, the harder it is to break. Two, Tsukyomi's effects take place withing a second. Jiraiya would be on his knees before Ma and Pa know's what's wrong.

 

[9th Raikage]

if you honestly believe jman can handle off kisame and itachi then you deserve to be called a idiot you shud know itachi is known to lie :sy:

Clearly you have the maturity of a toddler if you have to resort to name calling during a discussion. Fact is Itachi said and he and Kisame ran away and left Konoha. What lies has he told? Any time these characters lie it is to deceive the opponent and win, not run away. The fact that Itachi said it and ran away is the confirmation of its truth.

 

[Prince Charles]

The reason that Itachi retreated was because he wouldn't have been able to use any more MS jutsu. He already used two and it tired him out to the point that his sharingan retracted. Jiraiya is a beast and would probably have been able to take on a weakened Itachi and a fresh Kisame. Also, Itachi didn't want to overuse his MS because he still had plans for Sasuke. The fight would have definitely shortened his life span.

Note: To all the people saying that Ma and Pa could break Jiraiya out of Tsukuyomi... They can't, not Itachi's anyway. For one the more complex the genjutsu, the harder it is to break. Two, Tsukyomi's effects take place withing a second. Jiraiya would be on his knees before Ma and Pa know's what's wrong.

i know that

im saying take out those factors and just leave kisame and itachi and jman

going by everyone's logic jman can hold off itachi and kisame at the same time

 

[Unbiased]

nope just because something doesnt have form doesnt mean it cant take form.

Like I said, its an assumption. Until you provide proof my argument stands.

 

[Prince Charles]

Like I said, its an assumption. Until you provide proof my argument stands.

not an assumption its a fact.

chakra doesnt have form but it still TAKE FORM.

same rule applies to yata mirror

db saids the yata can change every one if its properties im pretty sure
form/shape is included in properties

 

[Unbiased]

The reason that Itachi retreated was because he wouldn't have been able to use any more MS jutsu. He already used two and it tired him out to the point that his sharingan retracted. Jiraiya is a beast and would probably have been able to take on a weakened Itachi and a fresh Kisame. Also, Itachi didn't want to overuse his MS because he still had plans for Sasuke. The fight would have definitely shortened his life span.

Note: To all the people saying that Ma and Pa could break Jiraiya out of Tsukuyomi... They can't, not Itachi's anyway. For one the more complex the genjutsu, the harder it is to break. Two, Tsukyomi's effects take place withing a second. Jiraiya would be on his knees before Ma and Pa know's what's wrong.

I actually agree here, in a normal genjutsu yes they can break it but tsukoyomi is different. I think that they can help him gather more energy since its physically draining, but they won't break it.

 

[9th Raikage]

The reason that Itachi retreated was because he wouldn't have been able to use any more MS jutsu. He already used two and it tired him out to the point that his sharingan retracted. Jiraiya is a beast and would probably have been able to take on a weakened Itachi and a fresh Kisame. Also, Itachi didn't want to overuse his MS because he still had plans for Sasuke. The fight would have definitely shortened his life span.

Note: To all the people saying that Ma and Pa could break Jiraiya out of Tsukuyomi... They can't, not Itachi's anyway. For one the more complex the genjutsu, the harder it is to break. Two, Tsukyomi's effects take place withing a second. Jiraiya would be on his knees before Ma and Pa know's what's wrong.

You must factor in that they were constantly pouring in sage chakra so the genjutsu would never take affect even if it is Tsukiyomi. If normal chakra can break a genjutsu im sure Sage chakra can block or end Tsukiyomi, especially since ma and pa were constantly pouring it into Jiraiya.