Nagato vs EMS Madara

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I meant that he just has to get up and to the side of the sword just as Madara swings it, so the actual sword doesn't hit him, giving him time to hit the sword with Shinra Tensei and causing Madara to lose balance before Madara can possibly even complete the sword swing and cause any damage.

PRetty sure even if the sword doesn't hit him.. The pressure wave can still catch him and catch him pretty hard. It's like swinging your arm at a fly. Also, Shinra Tensei, the bigger it goes, the longer the cool down. To swing something that massive off balance, it's gonna need quite some time. So, if Nagato aimlessly spammed his Shinra Tensei like that. He's going to have a huge opening for one of Madara's meteors to crush him or something like that.

 

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@Tobispawn
Gedo Mazo will not make a difference. My point was directed at that Shodaime guy.

 

[TobisPawn]

PRetty sure even if the sword doesn't hit him.. The pressure wave can still catch him and catch him pretty hard. It's like swinging your arm at a fly. Also, Shinra Tensei, the bigger it goes, the longer the cool down. To swing something that massive off balance, it's gonna need quite some time. So, if Nagato aimlessly spammed his Shinra Tensei like that. He's going to have a huge opening for one of Madara's meteors to crush him or something like that.

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There's no "pressure waves" as Madara swings the sword. And that was a casual Shinra Tensei for Nagato. Its not a Konoha-busting one that made Pain have long recharge period. Nagato > Pain on top of that. When Madara's swinging the sword (which isn't all that fast seeing that A had time to talk) Nagato can Asura-prepel himself up to the side of the sword and hit a massive Shinra Tensei either to Susanoo's legs or to its arm/sword to cause it to lose balance and topple.


Sort of off topic: What if Nagato shoots Chibaku Tensei's core of gravity straight onto Perfect Susanoo's "head?" The head is high enough compared to where Nagato's Chibaku Tensei usually forms so...hmmm...would Susanoo's head be crushed along with Madara?

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[Prime Rib]

madara easy now close thread

 

[TobisPawn]

madara easy now close thread

Well you're obviously wrong so there's no need to act all high and mighty...

 

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Pressure waves are a matter of actual physics. You move something, it's going to affect the air currents around it. Naruto has shown to have basic physics mechanisms.. So yes, there are pressure waves. Plus, the distance the sword had to cover, was going at pretty decent speeds. Plus, A is a blitz'ing speed kinda guy. He's gonna be able to dodge the sword when it's right at his face. Also, i think you forgot the previous chapter.. When Madara spliced the mountain pretty much instantaneously with a draw of his blade. If he does throw it at the head, which is pretty much at the clouds(exagerrating). It's insanely far from the ground. Meaning it's not going to absorb much rocks. Madara can always undo the Susanoo and go straight for Nagato. Oh and, about the stuff about Shinra Tensei. It's not Konoha rattling blow. But it's not a Naruto pushing blow either. There's also a default cooldown on it for five seconds. Plus, the konoha rattling one, put him on about 10 minutes of cooldown. Something as big as that, at least opens the window for half a minute.

 

[6pathofpain]

Pressure waves are a matter of actual physics. You move something, it's going to affect the air currents around it. Naruto has shown to have basic physics mechanisms.. So yes, there are pressure waves. Plus, the distance the sword had to cover, was going at pretty decent speeds. Plus, A is a blitz'ing speed kinda guy. He's gonna be able to dodge the sword when it's right at his face. Also, i think you forgot the previous chapter.. When Madara spliced the mountain pretty much instantaneously with a draw of his blade. If he does throw it at the head, which is pretty much at the clouds(exagerrating). It's insanely far from the ground. Meaning it's not going to absorb much rocks. Madara can always undo the Susanoo and go straight for Nagato. Oh and, about the stuff about Shinra Tensei. It's not Konoha rattling blow. But it's not a Naruto pushing blow either. There's also a default cooldown on it for five seconds. Plus, the konoha rattling one, put him on about 10 minutes of cooldown. Something as big as that, at least opens the window for half a minute.

that was pain being controled by i sick nagato, not the same situation...

 

[TobisPawn]

Pressure waves are a matter of actual physics. You move something, it's going to affect the air currents around it. Naruto has shown to have basic physics mechanisms.. So yes, there are pressure waves.

Well they don't seem to be anything major seeing that the environment wasn't affected when Madara was swinging his sword.

Plus, the distance the sword had to cover, was going at pretty decent speeds. Plus, A is a blitz'ing speed kinda guy. He's gonna be able to dodge the sword when it's right at his face.

I was just pointing out that there's time to react when he's swinging it. Add shared vision and asura rocket propulsion and it'll be even harder to hit him in time.

Also, i think you forgot the previous chapter.. When Madara spliced the mountain pretty much instantaneously with a draw of his blade. If he does throw it at the head, which is pretty much at the clouds(exagerrating). It's insanely far from the ground. Meaning it's not going to absorb much rocks.

Nagato will have time to react and move if he has shared vision to warn him and asura rockets to propel him. Or he can fire off Shinra Tensei at Susanoo's legs.

Madara can always undo the Susanoo and go straight for Nagato.

Madara's screwed without Susanoo.

Oh and, about the stuff about Shinra Tensei. It's not Konoha rattling blow. But it's not a Naruto pushing blow either. There's also a default cooldown on it for five seconds. Plus, the konoha rattling one, put him on about 10 minutes of cooldown. Something as big as that, at least opens the window for half a minute.

The blow Edo Nagato used was his variant of Pain's casual Shinra Tensei. Hell, Edo Nagato was a near-zero chakra Edo Nagato and it was that strong. Yeah, there's 5 seconds, but Nagato really only needs one perfectly timed Shinra Tensei to get it right. If he gets behind Madara's Susanoo, he can topple it easily by hitting it with rockets and Shinra Tensei behind the knees.

Also, can't Nagato fire off a Chibaku Tensei at Perfect Susanoo's "head?" It seems high enough to do so.

 

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@ Majority of your points
Nagato has no shared vision.. Nada.

About the pressure waves, well, there wasn't a human standing right next to the blade. Next time you see a fly, try swinging your arm right next to it and see it whizz about.

How is Madara screwed without Susanoo? 1. He can always resummon it. 2. He can still do a lot without Susanoo, he has a ton of Jutsu and is a master at Taijatsu.

Then yea, dude. Madara can just easily pimp slap Nagato with Susanoo and call it quits. Neither of which is happening THAT easily.

I never said CT can't reach up there. It can, just won't be as destructive.

 

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naruto stated that he was being fully controlled and at the begining he said his body was moving on its own.

Just noticed this. Kabuto wasn't controlling the powers of Nagato, he just issued the command to kill. So his body was just forced to attack. Like the way it was with Neji's dad or Dan or all those guys. They still had control of what they were doing, they could only attack pretty much.

 

[6pathofpain]

Just noticed this. Kabuto wasn't controlling the powers of Nagato, he just issued the command to kill. So his body was just forced to attack. Like the way it was with Neji's dad or Dan or all those guys. They still had control of what they were doing, they could only attack pretty much.

If they had control of what they were doin they wouldnt of been attacking. Im sorry but im not getting what your getting at yo

 

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They were programmed to attack, but they could decide how they were attacking. Kinda how the second Mizukage was. Like, he was talking to everyone so coolly, but he just kept on attacking. They were ordered to attack, but they weren't being physically controlled in that sense? xD

 

[Red Slayer]

Madara low/mid diff will win.

 

[6pathofpain]

They were programmed to attack, but they could decide how they were attacking. Kinda how the second Mizukage was. Like, he was talking to everyone so coolly, but he just kept on attacking. They were ordered to attack, but they weren't being physically controlled in that sense? xD

i think i kinda see hat your saying, but the difference between the kages and nagato being in control was they could talk. Nagato couldnt which means he was under deeper influence i think.

 

[Ashti101]

Lol at you guys and your stupid arguments. Madara fanboys, open your ears and listen, Madara didn't have perfect susanoo when he fought Hashirama nor did he have the rinnegan so stop acting like hes all that. He can only bust out armored when he doesn't have rinnegan and he doesn't have an unlimited chakra supply like he does in Edo so what makes you sure that he can bust out something like that as a trump card because, IMO, he would use it first thing against a rinnegan user. Nagato wins because he can make something get away from him and he could pull something towards him hense Madara. He can suck someones soul out with human path and he has hard skin and can become a weapon at any given time. He is a hell of a lot times stronger than Pain and when pain used almighty push in the leaf village, he was about 100 meters higher than the village and he still did all that. A almighty push at point blank range which he could do against susanoo and Kyuubi would annihialate them completely. He did all that damage from far but at close he could do a lot more. His summons can deal with the ninetails and he has a better chakra storage and better chakra quality.
I've given hard evidence of why nagato is better and theres no point in Gedo when Madara can't actually provide something worthy of its destructive power.