Nagato vs EMS Madara

[yuan of cruxis]

Itachi and the Databook said that you can awake Susanoo after you have mastered Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

Nobody is sensing Amaterasu since it is used instantly. Nagato, as well as Zetsu just felt an air pressure which was caused by the heat Amaterasu causes by its first use only. And even this cannot be sensed in an actual fight; Kabuto couldn't sense Amaterasu, too. How can you sense something that needs only a glance and is cast instantly?

And you don't have to show me Chibaku Tenseis size, since it is its size in its final state. In such a state even the combined attack of the Hachibi, Naruto and Itachi wouldn't work; but for those who need a slow explantation, I'll explain. You attack Chibaku Tensei in its early stage when it is only about to grow. After Itachi hold a talk to Naruto and Bee, where Chibaku of course managed to grow, their combined attack not only destroyed but comletely annihilated Chibaku Tensei. To put it simply, even then a weaker force would been enough. And if we leave off Itachis talk, where CT managed to grow, the force would be even smaller.

Do you want to say me, that Chibaku Tenseis size is larger than those of several mountains when it only starts to attract the surroundings? I guess you have no common sense. The perfect Susanoo used one sword in order to crush a meteor and to cut two distant mountains with one swing. So you may can imagine the power Susanoo would have if it would use both swords. Chibaku Tensei is not the problem here.

And I don't see why Amaterasu wouldn't handle with a little sphere of Chakra, since it burned even fire which was made out of Chakra.

To be honest, I'm tired now; maybe you can start a debate out of boredom but I don't have any desire to extend this debate at 2.00 AM.

All I have to say is that you are certainly wrong in many points.

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If someone were to attack the core of CT right of the bat before the sphere got covered then it can be destroyed rather easily

Seeing Madaras susanoos power, i think it would be really easy to cut through a full scale CT

 

[Cringe]

Alright, honestly i think Nagato will take this.. High difficulty. But since you want a debate, i'll give you one. Madara is going to win this fight.

Nagato has almost 0 experience fighting in his own body, also means he loses one big benefit of Rinnegan 360 vision. Realistically, he's pretty much a virgin right now on her first try. Because Nagato has never fought a Sharingan user. Advantages Madara has, 1. He knows everything about the Rinnegan, more than Nagato even. Meaning he's not going to be surprised by whatever Nagato does. 2. Then you also have the point of Perfect Susano'o, which can cut mountains in two. Now, to all you idiots who are going to say, "He will one-shot with CT." Probably without even knowing the abbreviation for 'CT'. Nagato has quite proven that CT is his last move, so it'd 1 be uncharacteristic of him to CT. Also that, Perfect Susano'o cuts mountains in two.. A CT is not going to do crud to him when he can cut the whole rock in half. [To all you moronic little bagets that exist. If you come on and say "He will preta this, preta that. Stfu and die.] Also, to all the geniuses who think the moment Gedo Mazo comes out Madara dies. 1. Nagato had to enter rage mode to summon Gedo Mazo by a mistake.. Yahiko isn't there for Madara to kill now. 2. Gedo Mazo coming out is a very dramatic act, Madara will just take the chance and stab Nagato in the neck.
Thank you for reading thus far, sincerely hope you are not a ****ing idiot.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Nagato can absorb anything perfect suasnoo can do, the he wont have to deflect his swords slach he'll just absorb it. And since were talking about nagato and not pain, he can use an almighty push like he use on the leaf and deflect it and still be fine.

Amaterasu is countered by a small almighty push as we've already seen.

Madara's taijutsu and ninjustu is useless as we saw when KM naruto and killer bee both tried at the same time and lost with low difficulty to nagato.

Nagato's dog summon can only be defeated if nagato is as he's already stated. Any attacks including amaterasu will just make the dog spit into more and madara will be over run(not that they can break suasnoo) and nagato will have alot of feilds of vision.

And during the fight with 6 tails when six tails was attacking the planetary devastation pain was breaking the rocks that 6 tails was on to mess up his aim and hitting him with rocks so whoever said why didnt he do it when he fought naruto itachi an bee, its because he was being controlled and couldnt use his mind.(Although madara's perfect suasnoo is big as **** and may be able to break out anyway)

Madara has no chance against nagato cause nagato can counter him at every turn. Even with rinnegan madara's experience and skill level with it is nowhere near nagato's and it wouldnt help him.

This is more directed at what ^ said. What makes you think nagato is not a 1st hokage level opponent? And yes madara did say the only person who can stop me is the 1st but this is coming from probably the cockiest ninja in naruto who has only been beat by the 1st and everyone knows that so its not like he could lie. Not to mention he's never even met nagato seeing how he was dead before nagato was even born so how would he know if he could win? He's never even met someone else with rinnegan, or fought them.

Nagato cannot absorb a sword of any caliber
Where you get that idea from?

 

[Cringe]

Sorry about the double post.

Sincerely, to all the ******s out there who think Preta can absorb Amaterasu OR Susano'o.. Show me proof. Where in all hell, has Susano'o been absorbed by anything? In fact, you have PHYSICAL PROOF or Nagato not absorbing Amaterasu when it was on his stinkin' body. I never even argued this, just cause some people are so stupid that they turn blind. But shit, you guys just drive me crazy. THE DATABOOKS say that Susano'o has NOTHING to do with Ninjutsu.. He just eats on your chakra everytime you bring him to earth. Please.. Stop this shit. Gtfo as well.

 

[Taiga Uchiha]

Why hold back Madara if your not gonna hold back Nagato in any way? Don't give him any of his paths and than it would be a fair one.

 

[6pathofpain]

Nagato cannot absorb a sword of any caliber
Where you get that idea from?

last time i checked it was chakra...did something change?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Alright, honestly i think Nagato will take this.. High difficulty. But since you want a debate, i'll give you one. Madara is going to win this fight.

Nagato has almost 0 experience fighting in his own body, also means he loses one big benefit of Rinnegan 360 vision. Realistically, he's pretty much a virgin right now on her first try. Because Nagato has never fought a Sharingan user. Advantages Madara has, 1. He knows everything about the Rinnegan, more than Nagato even. Meaning he's not going to be surprised by whatever Nagato does. 2. Then you also have the point of Perfect Susano'o, which can cut mountains in two. Now, to all you idiots who are going to say, "He will one-shot with CT." Probably without even knowing the abbreviation for 'CT'. Nagato has quite proven that CT is his last move, so it'd 1 be uncharacteristic of him to CT. Also that, Perfect Susano'o cuts mountains in two.. A CT is not going to do crud to him when he can cut the whole rock in half. [To all you moronic little bagets that exist. If you come on and say "He will preta this, preta that. Stfu and die.] Also, to all the geniuses who think the moment Gedo Mazo comes out Madara dies. 1. Nagato had to enter rage mode to summon Gedo Mazo by a mistake.. Yahiko isn't there for Madara to kill now. 2. Gedo Mazo coming out is a very dramatic act, Madara will just take the chance and stab Nagato in the neck.
Thank you for reading thus far, sincerely hope you are not a ****ing idiot.

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Or Madara can make his sword come out of the ground stab Nagato, like he did Tsunade

 

[OnPoint]

Alright, honestly i think Nagato will take this.. High difficulty. But since you want a debate, i'll give you one. Madara is going to win this fight.

Nagato has almost 0 experience fighting in his own body, also means he loses one big benefit of Rinnegan 360 vision. Realistically, he's pretty much a virgin right now on her first try. Because Nagato has never fought a Sharingan user. Advantages Madara has, 1. He knows everything about the Rinnegan, more than Nagato even. Meaning he's not going to be surprised by whatever Nagato does. 2. Then you also have the point of Perfect Susano'o, which can cut mountains in two. Now, to all you idiots who are going to say, "He will one-shot with CT." Probably without even knowing the abbreviation for 'CT'. Nagato has quite proven that CT is his last move, so it'd 1 be uncharacteristic of him to CT. Also that, Perfect Susano'o cuts mountains in two.. A CT is not going to do crud to him when he can cut the whole rock in half. [To all you moronic little bagets that exist. If you come on and say "He will preta this, preta that. Stfu and die.] Also, to all the geniuses who think the moment Gedo Mazo comes out Madara dies. 1. Nagato had to enter rage mode to summon Gedo Mazo by a mistake.. Yahiko isn't there for Madara to kill now. 2. Gedo Mazo coming out is a very dramatic act, Madara will just take the chance and stab Nagato in the neck.
Thank you for reading thus far, sincerely hope you are not a ****ing idiot.

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- 0 Experience you say? Nonsense.

- You are making the conditions of this fight? No. They either both have knowledge on neither of them do. I'm acting under the latter option.

- He can cut the entire rock in half? Laughable. It's larger than those meteors and his PS by a horrendous amount, and obviously one made by Nagato would be even bigger. It would comfortably be able to house all three objects inside it.

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Madara's Perfect Susanoo is taller than the meteor (which is actually stacked ontop of another), but remains smaller than the surrounding mountains. In comparison, we could fit several mountain ranges inside the canyon that was created by Chibaku Tensei. To be honest, it is debatable whether or not Perfect Susano'o, with its current feat, could destroy the black mass. After all, cutting a mountain is not the same as obliterating it.

- The rest of the argument was weak.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

last time i checked it was chakra...did something change?

Is it chakra?
Imma check

 

[yuan of cruxis]

It is chakra it seems

 

[6pathofpain]

Is it chakra?
Imma check

Im pretty sure, isnt suasnoo chakra too?

 

[Prince Charles]

question how do we know for sure kabuto was controlling nagato? he gave nagato an order to finish them off that doesn't mean nagato wasnt acting on his own

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Im pretty sure, isnt suasnoo chakra too?

A form of it
But it didnt mean there sword has to be chakra too

Itachis Totsuka is a spirit item not made of chakra

 

[Cringe]

None of your three images loaded, so that's a problem for me. But i'm guessing your first link was a picture to describe that Madara has fought in his own body before. Well, i meant to say he's never fought healthy with his Rinnegan before. If he had, i doubt Hanzo woulda managed to kill Yahiko with him just staring. Pretty much sure he had no mastery of the Rinnegan till that point on.

Second of all, never said i made the conditions. But Madara does have the Sharingan and the Manga itself dictates that Madara knows everything about the eyes. So, i just went with plot based info, since you din't specify that neither of them knew anything.

Thirdly, his CT couldn't encompass all of that. Even if it could.. It takes quite some time, Giving Madara a ton of time to chop whatever is processing in half.

Also, the rest of it wasn't so much an argument.. Just telling most of the idiots who were all "GEDO MAZOOO" to stfu. But yea, coming to your point now, why should both of em have 0 knowledge about each other? This is a VS thread, right? This IS Madara VS Nagato. So it's what both characters are capable of. Taking away Madara's knowledge of the Rinnegan is the same as taking away one of his powers.

@Yuan, it's all a possibility. But i was trying to take away any one-shot moves and all that crap. Hate to see those on VS threads.

 

[6pathofpain]

A form of it
But it didnt mean there sword has to be chakra too

Itachis Totsuka is a spirit item not made of chakra

totsuka blade is a speacial sword tho, madara's is just a normal really strong one. whatever **** that part of my argument lol, what about the rest?

 

[6pathofpain]

question how do we know for sure kabuto was controlling nagato? he gave nagato an order to finish them off that doesn't mean nagato wasnt acting on his own

naruto stated that he was being fully controlled and at the begining he said his body was moving on its own.

 

[OnPoint]

None of your three images loaded, so that's a problem for me. But i'm guessing your first link was a picture to describe that Madara has fought in his own body before. Well, i meant to say he's never fought healthy with his Rinnegan before. If he had, i doubt Hanzo woulda managed to kill Yahiko with him just staring. Pretty much sure he had no mastery of the Rinnegan till that point on.

Second of all, never said i made the conditions. But Madara does have the Sharingan and the Manga itself dictates that Madara knows everything about the eyes. So, i just went with plot based info, since you din't specify that neither of them knew anything.

Thirdly, his CT couldn't encompass all of that. Even if it could.. It takes quite some time, Giving Madara a ton of time to chop whatever is processing in half.

Also, the rest of it wasn't so much an argument.. Just telling most of the idiots who were all "GEDO MAZOOO" to stfu. But yea, coming to your point now, why should both of em have 0 knowledge about each other? This is a VS thread, right? This IS Madara VS Nagato. So it's what both characters are capable of. Taking away Madara's knowledge of the Rinnegan is the same as taking away one of his powers.

@Yuan, it's all a possibility. But i was trying to take away any one-shot moves and all that crap. Hate to see those on VS threads.

He mastered all 6 Nature transformations by age 10. And used one of the most devastating techniques ever seen in the manga by syncing with Gedo Mazo. And you don't think he was near mastering the Rinnegan? Sure. Yahiko died due to plot, Kishi needed something to develop Nagato's character obviously.

Practically all of what you've said has been countered by myself or someone else at some point in this thread.

 

[TobisPawn]

Wrong. There is no possible way nagato is flying the distance of a mountain range by the time perfectsusano swings its sword. Unless nagato uses a mountain busting shinra tensei, he isnt deflecting the shockwaves.

I meant that he just has to get up and to the side of the sword just as Madara swings it, so the actual sword doesn't hit him, giving him time to hit the sword with Shinra Tensei and causing Madara to lose balance before Madara can possibly even complete the sword swing and cause any damage.

 

[Cringe]

I'm pretty sure if he had Preta, Asura, Human or Animal path then.. Hanzou wouldn't have been able to hold onto Konan that long. OR if he had Naraka, he'd have just killed Yahiko like, "Meh, whatevs." Then brought him back once Hanzou and his guys backed off. Please, Gedo Mazo is not devastating in the slightest. Sucks away the users life and causes massive pain, also holds down the user and takes pretty much forever to cast. That Gedo Mazo, was as impressive as Sasuke one shotting all those Zetsu with Enton. I also love how your logic is just to tell me i'm wrong.

 

[TobisPawn]

I'm pretty sure if he had Preta, Asura, Human or Animal path then.. Hanzou wouldn't have been able to hold onto Konan that long. OR if he had Naraka, he'd have just killed Yahiko like, "Meh, whatevs." Then brought him back once Hanzou and his guys backed off. Please, Gedo Mazo is not devastating in the slightest. Sucks away the users life and causes massive pain, also holds down the user and takes pretty much forever to cast. That Gedo Mazo, was as impressive as Sasuke one shotting all those Zetsu with Enton. I also love how your logic is just to tell me i'm wrong.

Gedo Mazo isn't necessary in this fight for Nagato to pull off a win