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With recent chapters, we've seen how Tobi has essentially controlled the Gedo and used it to fight. What then was the purpose of this?

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Tobi planned on syncing Sasuke to the Gedo. Why? That all depends on what the sync actually accomplishes, but since the Juubi will be revived (impartially) is there even any point for Sasuke to sync with it now? Can the Juubi even "sync" with a "host" similar to the Gedo beyond just sealing it and becoming a Jinchuriki?

This leads me to believe that Tobi will eventually (during the course of this fight) lose control over the Juubi, escape with it, or the impartial Juubi will be defeated and return to its Gedo form causing Tobi to retreat. This is assuming that as soon as the Juubi revives (impartially) Tobi will make it use the infinite moon beam without the need of a host to "sync" with. Seeing as how Sasuke isn't around, and Tobi plans on sealing the Juubi inside himself anyway, what need is there for Sasuke?

This foreshadowing (IMO) definitely sets up a major power gain for Sasuke. Since we know the final fight will be him V Naruto, perhaps whatever Sasuke discovers (probably turning him evil again) will lead him to acquire the Juubi/Gedo's power and hence, sync with it, leaving Naruto one heck of a finale fight.

Unless of course, Kishi ***pulls and Sasuke never syncs with Gedo, which wouldn't be too hard to imagine. :rolleyes:

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Nice theory :D + rep
 

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I sort of assumed Tobi had replaced Sasuke in his plans with Madara.
 

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you're an idiot you just didn't get what means to synch let me write it down for you,to synch that means when they catch a jin he will help them in the sealing he can't start the sealing without being synch with gedo mazo got it now!
 

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I think the Juubi will be sealed into Naruto and that would be why the sage said............ to the Bijuus
 

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Hmm you make a good point here. If Tobi did intend to sync Sasuke with Gedo Mazo before the war was over, why did he just do it all himself?

Well I suppose one explanation is that the appearance of Edo Madara changed his plans entirely. This might have spurred him to accelerate his plans by bypassing sasuke getting Rinnegan and just doing the dirty work himself. But the question still remains, if he did plan to sync Sasuke with Gedo Mazo and Edo Madara is what changed his mind, than why did he declare war on the allies so early to begin with? I mean he declared war before Kabuto showed him Madara and Sasuke was not even close to awakening EMS by that time.

I think its clear that it was an oversight by Kishi or an idea of his that he put to the side for one reason or another. But this is an issue worth noting for sure, as it did seem to be a big part of Tobi's plan back then.
 

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you're an idiot you just didn't get what means to synch let me write it down for you,to synch that means when they catch a jin he will help them in the sealing he can't start the sealing without being synch with gedo mazo got it now!

Awfully confident, aren't we? Another example of the .

OT: No, Kishi was just trying to make Sasuke relevant to the plot, and he hoped we'd have all forgotten about that by this point in the story.
 
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With recent chapters, we've seen how Tobi has essentially controlled the Gedo and used it to fight. What then was the purpose of this?

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Tobi planned on syncing Sasuke to the Gedo. Why? That all depends on what the sync actually accomplishes, but since the Juubi will be revived (impartially) is there even any point for Sasuke to sync with it now? Can the Juubi even "sync" with a "host" similar to the Gedo beyond just sealing it and becoming a Jinchuriki?

This leads me to believe that Tobi will eventually (during the course of this fight) lose control over the Juubi, escape with it, or the impartial Juubi will be defeated and return to its Gedo form causing Tobi to retreat. This is assuming that as soon as the Juubi revives (impartially) Tobi will make it use the infinite moon beam without the need of a host to "sync" with. Seeing as how Sasuke isn't around, and Tobi plans on sealing the Juubi inside himself anyway, what need is there for Sasuke?

This foreshadowing (IMO) definitely sets up a major power gain for Sasuke. Since we know the final fight will be him V Naruto, perhaps whatever Sasuke discovers (probably turning him evil again) will lead him to acquire the Juubi/Gedo's power and hence, sync with it, leaving Naruto one heck of a finale fight.

Unless of course, Kishi ***pulls and Sasuke never syncs with Gedo, which wouldn't be too hard to imagine. :rolleyes:

Thoughts? Comments? Accusations of heresy?

To answer the first question: What is the point/purpose of this? We honestly will not LITERALLY (as in not theoretically) know until Kishi ties it all together, and by all I mean what you pointed out (which +rep to you, very nice digging) along with:



Obviously: 1 - Madara knowing Nagato and Nagato obviously planning to use the resurrect tech on both Tobi and/or Madara? (Madara obviously did not think he was revived by IWR/Edo-Tensei as we see on the bottom).





2 - How they all freaking know each other though "supposedly" being from different time-lines, etc...

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As for the syncing part I will get to that below but for most of the rest of your theory/post, I don't think Tobi planned on this happening. Obviously this is a Man/Person/Thing who shows little emotion but the 2-3 times he did was when he was shocked and things did not go as he planned such as Kabuto failing and him losing all of his Paths/Jinchuuriki's which in turn forced him to turn to what he had left AKA Gedo. (I don't think I need to link to pages for this part of my post :))

Logically speaking and as FAR AS WE KNOW, Tobi most likely does not want to sync to the Gedo for 2 reasons. 1 - This is easy, just look at an image of Nagato. Plus I don't think he has the power and/or even ability to do so. And 2 - would be that as we learned in this most recent chapter, he released the Jubi/10-Tails at whatever % someone wants to use, but we know it isn't 100% but Tobi and even the Kyuubi still know it's enough to kill anything and everything. So in reality though the Tobi is a master manipulator/strategist/planner, he couldn't and/or didn't account for these things happening but still knows what he has in the Gedo at 75% (give or take) is 1000% better than anything + everything + whatever else you want to throw into the equation. Going this route will obviously allow Tobi to "complete" himself and maybe give him the power to sync or force/make Sasuke sync, etc...

There is a 3rd semi-logical option and that would be a mixture of 1 and 2 along with the fact that maybe if Tobi syncs with it he can't use it as a summon which as we know is needed. This can also be proven/shown by Nagato AS FAR AS WE KNOW not being able to summon Gedo, though being able to use it's other features b/c he was synced to it, as opposed to Tobi who can summon what even before it became the 10-Tails was one of the strongest creatures/things in the Narutoverse. (Think about it: Why wouldn't Nagato have just used it as a summon instead of some puny bird, crab and dog that replicates? Gedo as just a summon would have wiped out Konoha and Nagato/Pain wouldn't have to have even used ONE shinra tensei.)

I would think at this point, since Akatsuki is no longer really in existence (remember how many days, chakra/energy and such it took from about 10 of the strongest rogue and/or enemy shinobi around to seal one of the tailed beasts?) there is no syncing BUT as far as sealing the Gedo in let's say...SASUKE who then becomes its Jinchuuriki and casts the Infinite Tsukuyomi? I mean remember how much stress it caused on Itachi and how weak he was after using it on Kakashi? To have it going on 24/7/365 while Tobi is controlling the everything, everyone and the world and Sasuke is doing all the work? I don't want to do that much digging to find the chapter but remember Tsukuyomi needs to be awakened and though we haven't (at least I don't remember this happening) seen Sasuke use it, he does use Susanoo which can only be used after awakening Tsukuyomi and Ameterasu, so we can logically say with certainty that Sasuke has awakened Tsukuyomi. Plus I know as of right now Tobi has said he plans on becoming the Jibu's Jinchuuriki but remember he still has Madara to deal with and he is aware of that, AS WELL AS being able to manipulate Sasuke at will so he could potentially seal the Jibu in Sasuke and let Sasuke/Jibu fight Madara, Naruto/Kyuubi, etc...

As for the final battle/ending...well this is the only part I do disagree with you on. Since even Kurama/Kyuubi/9-Tails has come out and said that the Jibu at 1% (exaggeration but you get my point) could wipe them all out, I would have to think (and agree with you) Tobi loses control at some point that they ALL have to fight against this thing. (I would write a longer paragraph but I am too tired). Also not for nothing...I do think Kakashi, since he was really the first one to realize what was going on as well really grasp the situation... and by the way Kishi writes with his hints/foreshadowing, etc... I feel like what Kakashi wanted to "try" was his Master's tech: DDCS (Dead Demon Consuming Seal). So for the immediate future leading to the ending I would like to predict Kakashi, following in his father's footsteps, saves his comrades (kind of like how he died the first time) or at least helps/aids them in a BIG way by taking what power he can from the Jibu with him (Like Minato did to the Kyuubi). Remember Kakashi put it all together and it explained it to everyone in the chapter (obviously with help from Kyuubi) but I think he feels and/or knows that if he can (with the help of Kishi's legendary Plot no Jutsu) somehow seal the little chakra/power the Jibu has from the 8 and 9-Tails. Call me crazy, I just feel that Kishi loves catching people off guard as well as pulling you know what out of you know where (as you beautifully put it: "Unless of course, Kishi ***pulls") would be a perfect way for Kakashi who has "lived his life in regret" to meet his maker.
 

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In that panel tobi specifically says that sasuke is of no use if they can't control him. Maybe, he just realized that sasuke is not going to work out and he has to do things on his own?
 
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In that panel tobi specifically says that sasuke is of no use if they can't control him. Maybe, he just realized that sasuke is not going to work out and he has to do things on his own?

Yeah but Sasuke will always be "controlled." That is who he is. Right now whether people believe it or not he is being controlled by Orochimaru. What I mean by that is Sasuke is a creature of habit and is controlled by whoever leads him to what he WANTS/NEEDS NOW. Think about it Orochimaru could take him around the world 50 times and its not like Sasuke is going to kill him, so in reality Sasuke is stronger and can kill Orochimaru but Orochimaru is controlling him and the situation. A great analogy would be Naruto is like Goku as in he is "DRIVEN" or always trying to find a way to get to his goal AKA "DRIVEN". Sasuke is like Vegeta as in he is "CONTROLLED" by what he thinks he NEEDS/WANTS, by his environment, and by the same feeble-minded goal, day in and day out. Case in point: Naruto beats Nagato and then right after goes to beg the Raikage/A to forgive Sasuke. Naruto reaches his goal and goes straight to the next. Sasuke says he will never take Itachi's eyes....then he goes to battle with A (and then Danzo then Naruto/Kakashi/Sakura) meanwhile the entire time Tobi is telling him how he needs to get Itachi's eyes implanted into him and he gives in.

I wrote longer than I should have to make my point but it pretty much is that all Tobi needs to do is come around and say "Hey Sasuke, want to beat Naruto and reclaim Uchiha glory??" and Tobi is obviously lying but what do you think Sasuke is going to say? That quote was said awhile back, I think IF (a big IF) Tobi survives this upcoming battle, he knows at this point how to manipulate/control Sasuke for the little time he needs him to sync with Gedo which is what else is he says on that panel/page.
 

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you're an idiot you just didn't get what means to synch let me write it down for you,to synch that means when they catch a jin he will help them in the sealing he can't start the sealing without being synch with gedo mazo got it now!

Nope, and your overflowing amounts of punctuation didn't help.

I wrote longer than I should have to make my point but it pretty much is that all Tobi needs to do is come around and say "Hey Sasuke, want to beat Naruto and reclaim Uchiha glory??" and Tobi is obviously lying but what do you think Sasuke is going to say? That quote was said awhile back, I think IF (a big IF) Tobi survives this upcoming battle, he knows at this point how to manipulate/control Sasuke for the little time he needs him to sync with Gedo which is what else is he says on that panel/page.

IMO, when Sasuke learns the "truth" about the world which will probably cause him to continue his plight against Naruto, he'll see the Gedo as a sort of 'power-up' that will help him fight (probably against the entire world)

In a sense, I can see him succeeding Tobi's role in a way as the final villain. Maybe not the EXACT same goals (moon beam) but probably something similar since we know it will be Naruto v Sasuke in the end.
 
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like tobi is idiot enough to give such power to sasuke knowing already he can turn back on him
 

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I think its clear that it was an oversight by Kishi or an idea of his that he put to the side for one reason or another. But this is an issue worth noting for sure, as it did seem to be a big part of Tobi's plan back then.

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Nope, and your overflowing amounts of punctuation didn't help.



IMO, when Sasuke learns the "truth" about the world which will probably cause him to continue his plight against Naruto, he'll see the Gedo as a sort of 'power-up' that will help him fight (probably against the entire world)

In a sense, I can see him succeeding Tobi's role in a way as the final villain. Maybe not the EXACT same goals (moon beam) but probably something similar since we know it will be Naruto v Sasuke in the end.

Oh yeah agreed, I was just talking about my Kakashi theory as a possible
semi-future/close-to-ending surprise gift-wrapped Kishi-style for us xd.

What I agree with you on is about Sasuke in the sense that he will succeed not only Tobi's MAIN goal but mix it with Madara's as well and/or will be his plan. I mean for Sasuke who already is a little cuckoo, what's a better way to make the whole world believe what he wants them to (which also happens to be his goal) which is Itachi being a hero and the returning the Uchiha to it's glory then controlling them/Narutoverse with a different version of Moon's Eye Plan?

If anything I think if Sasuke were to ACTUALLY LEARN, as in get it through his thick skull, about the Narutoverse-World he would end up fighting alongside Naruto against whoever comes to be the Final, Major Villain. Simply because if he ACTUALLY LEARNS what Itachi did WAS NECESSARY to stop 10000x worse things from happening and all of this he will realize it is not as cut and dry/black and white as he makes it out to be. (If Itachi hadn't done what he did, the Uchiha STILL GET SLAUGHTERED but leave in their wake a much weakened Konoha which subsequently leads to the other lands trying to take them over which leads to....another war). This will of course show him his entire life was manipulated and become his own man which I feel will lead to him battling side by side WITH Naruto against the Final Super-Villain and then he will turn to Naruto and in a way only Kishi can draw it up, have them finally put to rest the stronger one, Naruto will win and obviously feel horribly but as Sasuke dies he thanks Naruto for allowing him to realize what was truly important, for being his TRUE best friend and for having his best intentions at hand while also allowing him to die in peace/be in peace for the first time in his life. Naruto becomes Hokage, blah blah blah....

(Why do I think Sasuke dies? Well after all the damage he has single-handedly done to all of the villages I don't think they could ever just allow him to become a Konoha and/or Non-Criminal Shinobi and to me logically Sasuke has 3 ways to go: Major, Super, Final Villain or dying to Naruto since he will never, ever admit/allow/concede to Naruto being stronger than him and forcing the fight with Naruto, or finally while fighting alongside Naruto against the Final Villain he dies protecting Naruto which in-turn allows Naruto to destroy the Villain.)
 

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To answer the first question: What is the point/purpose of this? We honestly will not LITERALLY (as in not theoretically) know until Kishi ties it all together, and by all I mean what you pointed out (which +rep to you, very nice digging) along with:



Obviously: 1 - Madara knowing Nagato and Nagato obviously planning to use the resurrect tech on both Tobi and/or Madara? (Madara obviously did not think he was revived by IWR/Edo-Tensei as we see on the bottom).





2 - How they all freaking know each other though "supposedly" being from different time-lines, etc...

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As for the syncing part I will get to that below but for most of the rest of your theory/post, I don't think Tobi planned on this happening. Obviously this is a Man/Person/Thing who shows little emotion but the 2-3 times he did was when he was shocked and things did not go as he planned such as Kabuto failing and him losing all of his Paths/Jinchuuriki's which in turn forced him to turn to what he had left AKA Gedo. (I don't think I need to link to pages for this part of my post :))

Logically speaking and as FAR AS WE KNOW, Tobi most likely does not want to sync to the Gedo for 2 reasons. 1 - This is easy, just look at an image of Nagato. Plus I don't think he has the power and/or even ability to do so. And 2 - would be that as we learned in this most recent chapter, he released the Jubi/10-Tails at whatever % someone wants to use, but we know it isn't 100% but Tobi and even the Kyuubi still know it's enough to kill anything and everything. So in reality though the Tobi is a master manipulator/strategist/planner, he couldn't and/or didn't account for these things happening but still knows what he has in the Gedo at 75% (give or take) is 1000% better than anything + everything + whatever else you want to throw into the equation. Going this route will obviously allow Tobi to "complete" himself and maybe give him the power to sync or force/make Sasuke sync, etc...

There is a 3rd semi-logical option and that would be a mixture of 1 and 2 along with the fact that maybe if Tobi syncs with it he can't use it as a summon which as we know is needed. This can also be proven/shown by Nagato AS FAR AS WE KNOW not being able to summon Gedo, though being able to use it's other features b/c he was synced to it, as opposed to Tobi who can summon what even before it became the 10-Tails was one of the strongest creatures/things in the Narutoverse. (Think about it: Why wouldn't Nagato have just used it as a summon instead of some puny bird, crab and dog that replicates? Gedo as just a summon would have wiped out Konoha and Nagato/Pain wouldn't have to have even used ONE shinra tensei.)

I would think at this point, since Akatsuki is no longer really in existence (remember how many days, chakra/energy and such it took from about 10 of the strongest rogue and/or enemy shinobi around to seal one of the tailed beasts?) there is no syncing BUT as far as sealing the Gedo in let's say...SASUKE who then becomes its Jinchuuriki and casts the Infinite Tsukuyomi? I mean remember how much stress it caused on Itachi and how weak he was after using it on Kakashi? To have it going on 24/7/365 while Tobi is controlling the everything, everyone and the world and Sasuke is doing all the work? I don't want to do that much digging to find the chapter but remember Tsukuyomi needs to be awakened and though we haven't (at least I don't remember this happening) seen Sasuke use it, he does use Susanoo which can only be used after awakening Tsukuyomi and Ameterasu, so we can logically say with certainty that Sasuke has awakened Tsukuyomi. Plus I know as of right now Tobi has said he plans on becoming the Jibu's Jinchuuriki but remember he still has Madara to deal with and he is aware of that, AS WELL AS being able to manipulate Sasuke at will so he could potentially seal the Jibu in Sasuke and let Sasuke/Jibu fight Madara, Naruto/Kyuubi, etc...

As for the final battle/ending...well this is the only part I do disagree with you on. Since even Kurama/Kyuubi/9-Tails has come out and said that the Jibu at 1% (exaggeration but you get my point) could wipe them all out, I would have to think (and agree with you) Tobi loses control at some point that they ALL have to fight against this thing. (I would write a longer paragraph but I am too tired). Also not for nothing...I do think Kakashi, since he was really the first one to realize what was going on as well really grasp the situation... and by the way Kishi writes with his hints/foreshadowing, etc... I feel like what Kakashi wanted to "try" was his Master's tech: DDCS (Dead Demon Consuming Seal). So for the immediate future leading to the ending I would like to predict Kakashi, following in his father's footsteps, saves his comrades (kind of like how he died the first time) or at least helps/aids them in a BIG way by taking what power he can from the Jibu with him (Like Minato did to the Kyuubi). Remember Kakashi put it all together and it explained it to everyone in the chapter (obviously with help from Kyuubi) but I think he feels and/or knows that if he can (with the help of Kishi's legendary Plot no Jutsu) somehow seal the little chakra/power the Jibu has from the 8 and 9-Tails. Call me crazy, I just feel that Kishi loves catching people off guard as well as pulling you know what out of you know where (as you beautifully put it: "Unless of course, Kishi ***pulls") would be a perfect way for Kakashi who has "lived his life in regret" to meet his maker.

Ohhhhh Good Theory. The Kakashi bit as well! U know im kinda thinking you maybe on to something with this. + Rep
 
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