shouldn't tobirama be the strongest/best hokage even tied or better than hashirama

is tobirama close to hashirama in power


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if you really look at tobirama abilities it is inhuman what he can do, The only thing that makes hashirama so good is a kekei genkai which makes every ninja special but hashirama could use his in various ways of containing tailed beast and to affect landscape and gives good strength.
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the wood release and hashirama regeneration ability just make a target for his dna because of the amount of use you can get out of it but it doesn't mean he can't be beaten or even challenged.

Tobirama has impure world ressurection to summon any dead ninja he wanted, could also sense enemies from far with a touch of a finger, and has an amazing ability of his own nature type to produce water from molecules and huge amounts honestly he has the best manipulation of a nature type to me and also has space time,wouldn't you think a person who can avoid techs,summon dead ninja's to fight opponents to help him take an advantage, and also has a great nature manipulation of water would be the best hokage or atleast tied with the 1st hokage.
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hashirama may have been better than tobirama before tobirama became hokage but i think tobirama was stronger than him afterwards and developed these techs that made him well known around every village and also tobirama also helped to create the village and set up a government and gave the uchiha some power even though tobi said it was to watch the uchiha he still gave them power.

basically with all of tobirama techs he should be greater than hashirama because tobirama can use landscaping water techniques to go against any opponent even a water user himself would be overpowered by tobirama water jutsu's and even if there were a lighting user if tobirama used a powerful water tech it would just override the lighting,
Also tobirama can summon ninja to even the battle to fight any enemy so that he doesn't have a disadvantage and he can even avoid techs with space time and he sounds like he was also well skilled at it since minato says tobi even surpassed the tobirama space time and his own.

i just think tobirama should atleast be next to hashriama as being the best hokage and some people don't even acknowledge his abilities and how much more he did to actually make a decent society than hashirama or any other hokage did and there is probably more to tobirama story than what we have been told because he is mentioned in important characters in the progression of plots even more so i think there is more to him in the future and orochimaru may actually tell us something because there seems to be big conspiricy of tobi and tiachi lies and orochimaru knowing all the secrets but it is just my take on things.
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I like both. None compare to the two brothers.
 

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the day tobirama beats madara, then he MIGHT be tied with hashirama
 

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Tobirama was a powerful ninja and perhaps the greatest suiton user ever. However, that does not mean he was better than Hashi at any point.

One thing you said that I didn't like was that he could summon any dead ninja, which just isn't true. He'd need a DNA sample. Also, we don't know enough about Tobirama to make any definitive claims, so most of your argument is pure speculation.

Finally, if Tobirama's so strong, why did he get taken out by 20 fodders? Why did he get beaten near to death by the Gold and Silver bros?
 

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being able to produce water from nothing not too special ok almost every ninja can do that
 

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The two strongest brother duo in the manga hands down no other brother combo compare's not even Itachi and sasuke.
 

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Tobirama was a powerful ninja and perhaps the greatest suiton user ever. However, that does not mean he was better than Hashi at any point.

One thing you said that I didn't like was that he could summon any dead ninja, which just isn't true. He'd need a DNA sample. Also, we don't know enough about Tobirama to make any definitive claims, so most of your argument is pure speculation.

Finally, if Tobirama's so strong, why did he get taken out by 20 fodders?

they are 20 elite ninja from the hidden cloud so it is okay if he lost and he was ampushed in a peace treaty by two nine tails jinchuriki so it is understandable, we don't know what happened in the battle, tobirama can summon any dead person if he got the dna yes,the thread is about all of what we really heard from him so far, but you can be right
 
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Tobirama was a powerful ninja and perhaps the greatest suiton user ever. However, that does not mean he was better than Hashi at any point.

One thing you said that I didn't like was that he could summon any dead ninja, which just isn't true. He'd need a DNA sample. Also, we don't know enough about Tobirama to make any definitive claims, so most of your argument is pure speculation.

Finally, if Tobirama's so strong, why did he get taken out by 20 fodders? Why did he get beaten near to death by the Gold and Silver bros?

They were elite ninja, his mission was to make sure his students got away safely, thus his mind was set on protecting them instead of himself, since I'm sure they tried to go after them as well.

Kin-Gin bro's was a surprise ambush.

Anyways just giving you answers to your questions.
 

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Tobirama is seriously underrated because he isn't known for his fighting; He was primarily responsible for establishing Konoha's organisational system...

How can you expect him to be known for his fighting, when his era was relatively peaceful...This is the era after the Peace treaty between Senju and Uchiha, which means no Ninjas from either clan being hired to fight each other, also which means no Ninja would be attacking the Village since the Village is comprised of two of the most powerful Clans
 

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I agree that it's a strong possibility, but we haven't seen anything (or even seen someone mention anything) about his strength. Until then I can't justifiably rank him above people like Hiruzen and Minato. He very well could be as strong as Hashi, we just don't have any proof of it.
 

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They were elite ninja, his mission was to make sure his students got away safely, thus his mind was set on protecting them instead of himself, since I'm sure they tried to go after them as well.

Kin-Gin bro's was a surprise ambush.

Anyways just giving you answers to your questions.
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Tobirama is seriously underrated because he isn't known for his fighting; He was primarily responsible for establishing Konoha's organisational system...

How can you expect him to be known for his fighting, when his era was relatively peaceful...This is the era after the Peace treaty between Senju and Uchiha, which means no Ninjas from either clan being hired to fight each other, also which means no Ninja would be attacking the Village since the Village is comprised of two of the most powerful Clans
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I agree that it's a strong possibility, but we haven't seen anything (or even seen someone mention anything) about his strength. Until then I can't justifiably rank him above people like Hiruzen and Minato. He very well could be as strong as Hashi, we just don't have any proof of it.
that is understandable
 

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Not only badass but he has that badass stare and hair and clothe and Everythig lol
 

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Finally, if Tobirama's so strong, why did he get taken out by 20 fodders? Why did he get beaten near to death by the Gold and Silver bros?

No.

He was surrounded by twenty elite Cloud ninja.

Also don't underestimate the Gold and Silver Bros, both had a substantial amount of Kurama's chakra(Enough to go into Tailed-Beast Mode), not to mention the Sage's legendary weapons...
 
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Tobirama was a powerful ninja and perhaps the greatest suiton user ever. However, that does not mean he was better than Hashi at any point.

One thing you said that I didn't like was that he could summon any dead ninja, which just isn't true. He'd need a DNA sample. Also, we don't know enough about Tobirama to make any definitive claims, so most of your argument is pure speculation.

Finally, if Tobirama's so strong, why did he get taken out by 20 fodders? Why did he get beaten near to death by the Gold and Silver bros?

I understand your argument to counter his argument, but what you saying about his death is irrelevant. I'm guessing because he has an arsenal which surpasses most such as Edo Tensei and Space/Time Ninjutsu, and on top of that, being a Sution (Water) Master. He is not God or can be compared to Hashirama or Minato. I had to say that because that is what many compare him to since we have little information about him. Those fodders were also Elite Bounty Hunters, etc.
 
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