Is MS Sasuke stronger than SM Naruto?

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This me thinks. Since he and Kurama are buddies now I reckon he will be able to fuse with Ma and Pa. Sage mode allows Naruto fantastic sensing ablities so I think he could sense Amaterasu and dodge it, as for the arrow he moves pretty fast in Sage mode so he could dodge it.

I also believe this.

 

[10023213]

in sm naruto can dodge everything thrown at him before it happens plus hesitance stonger

 

[Champ]

Sasuke can dodge all of Naruto attacks, but Naruto will be killed by Amaterasu

 

[SasukeXUchiha]

Sasuke can dodge all of Naruto attacks, but Naruto will be killed by Amaterasu

Sasuke's fast, and maybe he can dodge MOST of the attacks. But some Shadow Clone trick can get Sasuke, just the way he got Neji in the first series and how he got Pain some arcs ago.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

no he cant. huge toads are huge targets for amaterasu. Naruto would just be dooming them. This was the first time you could actually match them up. then naruto got more powerful. Still waiting to see what ems could really do

Yea but wasting amatersu on those summons would be doom for sasuke. MS sasuke gets extremely exhausted and his eye sight worsens the more he uses those MS techs. He can't use them like he can with EMS.

 

[lnvalid]

Not if he fuses with Ma and Pa, which he can.

^^^ this, So many people forget that SM naruto, even though it was better than pein in taijutsu (face it, naruto threw pein around like a rag doll while in SM mode. Yes nagato> SM Naruto at the time, naruto only won by talk no jutsu,
BUT if he could have fused with ma and pa it would have been a completely different battle and a different naruto.

SM naruto technically (unless plot no jutsu occurs) can be upgraded to some new buff with ma and pa. will we see it?...doubtfull, but that SM mode I believe would thrash Sasuke and be on a level fightable with Edo madara.

 

[halebot]

So the new name for the base is Sasukebase and lets rename the manga/anime as well to humm Sasuke Shippuden Sorry but don't see the point in this other than its part of a ongoing story that if the author named it correctly the hero being naruto saves his friend and gets the girl maybe. We could add the dragon ball Z formula and see who going to power up super super super the most!.......... Naruto Shippuden really like this anime. Dragon Ball not so much

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

Without the kyuubi Naruto would be the biggest trash.

So false. Without the kyuubi Naruto is still a beastly uzumaki, with rasenshuriken and sage mode. If minato never died while putting the kyuubi in Naruto, Naruto would be an even smarter genius than sasuke if he would have gotten to grow up with the 4th hokage, and even kushina. He would have learned space-time jutsu and sealing jutsu. Naruto was only considered 'dumb' because he had no one to raise him and teach him anything.

 

[Dantee]

Yea but wasting amatersu on those summons would be doom for sasuke. MS sasuke gets extremely exhausted and his eye sight worsens the more he uses those MS techs. He can't use them like he can with EMS.

Current MS Sasuke>>>> :ice:

 

[chrisortega]

don't forget after the pain arc, naruto trained more so that he an enter sm faster and if you watch the anime he does it almost instantly, i think it was when he went to go and convince A to not kill sasuke.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

Current MS Sasuke>>>> :ice:

U mean EMS? Its alright...not anywhere close to BM Naruto though

 

[Dantee]

U mean EMS? Its alright...not anywhere close to BM Naruto though

MS is not EMS.

EMS is still a mystery.

Current MS is the one that was fighting Kabuto.

 

[d33zy91]

SM Naruto was already said to be stronger than MS Sasuke. He beat Pain all on his own Sasuke cant do that.

He clearly had the fox save him once he turned into tailed form.

 

[lnvalid]

He clearly had the fox save him once he turned into tailed form.

consider the following.
In SM, Naruto whopped pein back and forth, when it comes to ninjutsu and taijutsu. Pein was thrown around by Narutos raw SM power.In the manga and anime (anime is a little more detailed, but not cannon) you see Pein NEVER get a succesfull hit on naruto in SM.
But, when kurama broke free notice how Pein turned the battle around, Kurama is strong, but it's almost "mindless" no sence of strategy. This is where Pein was easily avoiding naruto kurama cloak chakra attacks.

There for, If in the end of the battle, had Naruto not lost SM chakra and continued to thrash pein instead of giving it over to kurama to take over. Naruto would have actually won without talk no jutsu. Which is a huge feat. and thats without ma and pa... WITH ma and pa, it would have been like god beating a small retarted baby....with a shark.

 

[Dantee]

consider the following.
In SM, Naruto whopped pein back and forth, when it comes to ninjutsu and taijutsu. Pein was thrown around by Narutos raw SM power.In the manga and anime (anime is a little more detailed, but not cannon) you see Pein NEVER get a succesfull hit on naruto in SM.
But, when kurama broke free notice how Pein turned the battle around, Kurama is strong, but it's almost "mindless" no sence of strategy. This is where Pein was easily avoiding naruto kurama cloak chakra attacks.

There for, If in the end of the battle, had Naruto not lost SM chakra and continued to thrash pein instead of giving it over to kurama to take over. Naruto would have actually won without talk no jutsu. Which is a huge feat. and thats without ma and pa... WITH ma and pa, it would have been like god beating a small retarted baby....with a shark.

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This is why Naruto won.

- Naruto had 3 sm clones pre fight. No chakra wasted
-4 boss summons, ma and pa pre fight. No chakra wasted
- The strongest path who soloed all of them was M.I.A the whole time. :sy:
-Hinata saved his ass
-Minato saved his ass
-The fox saved his ass
-Took a whole village to weaken deva path
-Info from Jiraya
-Critical info from Kakashi

Consider that.

 

[Anorien16]

ITs clear that SM Naruto < MS Sasuke only luck may favour Naruto but everything else looks bad for him.

 

[10023213]

ITs clear that SM Naruto < MS Sasuke only luck may favour Naruto but everything else looks bad for him.

can can't defeat someone that you cant hit or that senses your moves before they do them and naruto had harder skin as seen when he feel while training to achieve sm. ninjutsu would not work on naruto because hes stronger than sasuke in sm and there spead is about the same except naruto nows how and when hes going to punch a secon before he does
therefor sm>>ms

 

[lnvalid]

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This is why Naruto won.

- Naruto had 3 sm clones pre fight. No chakra wasted
-4 boss summons, ma and pa pre fight. No chakra wasted
- The strongest path who soloed all of them was M.I.A the whole time. :sy:
-Hinata saved his ass
-Minato saved his ass
-The fox saved his ass
-Took a whole village to weaken deva path
-Info from Jiraya
-Critical info from Kakashi

Consider that.

1) The whole point of my post was to prove that the fox did not save his ass, in fact, kurama did more harm than good by giving pein an easier opponent, l2read what i'm quoting next time.

2) nagato could not have controlled all the paths of pein and also been in the battlefield and fought Naruto, It took a lot of control and he had to be hidden and out of the way to do that. So don't confuse Nagato with pein. Yes he is the final path so to speak, but he is not a character that can fight alongside his paths (maybe in his prime, but thats long ago), especially at the point in the manga we are discussing now. (pein arc)

3) U mad that Naruto had 3 Sm clones, and his toad summons? Thats part of his arsenal..thats like saying oro or kabuto can't include edo tensei in their fight. Seriously, your just mad that something that seems cheap, is a legit weapon in his arsenal.

4) the hinata/minato/kurama Saved him argument is invalid. i'm saying "If that never happened" To quote me directly "If he had not run out of SM chakra" and continued fighting the final path.

5) Deva path, Regardless of how much it was affected by other it, at prime. Would have still lost.

6) critical info... (so he got some information, you have 1 valid point to the fact that he had an edge, but regardless that the argument that kurama's peace with naruto, allowing them to fuse with ma and pa, would be OP as shit and if we see it, will blow old school SM out of the water.

Balls in your court mate...

 

[Anorien16]

can can't defeat someone that you cant hit or that senses your moves before they do them and naruto had harder skin as seen when he feel while training to achieve sm. ninjutsu would not work on naruto because hes stronger than sasuke in sm and there spead is about the same except naruto nows how and when hes going to punch a secon before he does
therefor sm>>ms

Susanoo, Amaterasu are the real problem. Naruto simply isnt fast enough to dodge arrow and ama continiously. Especially there is Ama spreading around him reducing his moving space.

 

[SasukeXUchiha]

Don't confuse yourselves. If we're comparing Pain Arc Naruto (SM) and Gokage Arc Sasuke (MS), Naruto can't fuse with Ma and Pa because of the Kyubi. If he could, then the time would skip to Sasuke having EMS and that would be a whole different thing. Even if Naruto could fuse with Ma and Pa, do you think Sasuke would fall so easily? I mean, that path of Pain had no chance against Jiraiya and the genjutsu, true. But Sasuke has MS. The Sharingan can break through Genjutsu. If Itachi could reverse Kurenai's Genjutsu with simple 3-tomoe, of course Sasuke can do something about Ma and Pa's song wiht his MS. It's pretty much equal. I don't think either character is far superior than the other in these phases.