3T and Byakugan -> (Sasuke) and (Neji)

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Read and comment when you have the time ****** is for part two

C & P From a Vs T.


Sasuke reps the height of a non S/T 3T user

Neji ATM Reps the Height of A Byakugan user


I will attack this in points, the points will consist of Sasuke's attacks and why Neji is Immune to them or why Neji he can overwhelm them, the ranges which would be advantages to each shinobi, how each shinobi would get into those ranges.

I am under no illusion that none of Sasuke's attacks will be too powerful for Neji to take head on, so I will create a level system, which includes which attacks Neji can deal with at certain levels of difficulty.

Neji dominates in certain positions also, with that said I will give both Neji and Sasuke different levels of difficulty with which they would dominated the battle at different ranges.

As well as being able to dominate at certain distances the shinobi also has to get into range, or out of range of an attack, with that said I will add the third and final difficulty levels, they will be for the purpose of stating with how much difficulty a shinobi can get in and out of range of certain attacks.

The difficulty levels are. Low, Mid, High

Low + Low + Low = The battle is won at extremely Low difficulty

Low + Low + Mid = The battle is won at Low difficulty

Low + Mid + Mid = Mid Mid Mid= The battle is won at Mid difficulty

Low + Low + High = The battle is won at Low difficulty (nearing mid)

Low + High + High = The battle is won at High difficulty (nearing ext high)

Mid + Mid + high = The battle is won at High Difficulty

Mid + High + High = The Battle is won at Extremely High difficulty

High + High + High = Impossible


Neji vs Sasuke

Sharingan

Genjutsu Techs:

These consist of

(Derived from Sharingan Genjutsu) Suggestive Genjutsu


A Genjutsu that tricks your opponent into doing what you want them to do during a battle, this contributes heavily to the Uchiha's ability to seemingly know exactly what their opponent is going to do using battle)

Suggestive Genjutsu requires eye contact between both the caster and the opponent, as it is derived from Sharingan Genjutsu.

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Neji, a Hyuga with the Byakugan, can see through his eye lids and thus fight Sasuke with his eyes closed preventing eye contact between them both, as Sasuke can not see Neji's eyes there can not be eye contact.

Eye contact definition.

Wikipedia

Eye contact is a meeting of the eyes between two individuals.

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eye con·tact
Noun:
The state in which two people are aware of looking directly into one another's eyes.
More info »Wikipedia - Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster


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eye contact
noun

Definition
when two people look at each other's eyes at the same time
He's very shy and never makes eye contact.
If you're telling the truth, why are you avoiding eye contact with me?


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World English Dictionary
eye contact

— n
a direct look between two people; meeting of eyes: he maintained eye contact with his interrogator


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No Eye Contact Can Be Made If Neji Keeps His Eyes Closed, As Sasuke Can't See Neji's Eyes

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This means that suggestive genjutsu can not be used thus taking away, to some extent, Sasuke's ability to predict Neji's movements.

Next is

(Derived From Sharingan Genjutsu, It Is Also Beyond 3T) Susuanoo Genjutsu

This Jutsu incapacitates the opponent.

The Same Applies Here, It Can Not Be Used As Sasuke Needs To Look Into The Eyes Of The Opponent For This Jutsu To Take Effect.

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Next is

(Derived From Sharingan Genjutsu) Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique

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I don't even need to describe this.

Same applies

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Now That It Has Been Established That All Of The Genjutsu That Neji Would Have Had Trouble Breaking Out Of, Are Infact The Genjutsu That He Can Make Himself Immune To, I Will Move Onto The Last Key Ability Granted By The 3T Sharingan​


Perception Abilities:

These Consist of


Chakra Nature Detection

This contributes to the ability of the Uchiha to predict the offensive and defensive actions of their opponent, by seeing the change in colour of their chakra they can tell which nature release their opponent will use, or is using but concealing.

Unfortunately for Sasuke, Neji Only Uses Taijutsu And The Chakra That He Uses Is Not Molded (Given Form And Nature) Chakra, But Pure Chakra, This Again Takes Away From The Predictive Advantage That Sasuke Has.

Again Unfortunately For Sasuke, Neji Has Even More Extensive Insight Than He Does, Nothing Abut Sasuke Can Be Hidden From The Byakugan, Including The Chakra Nature That Sasuke Uses.

Unlike Neji, Sasuke Does Use Ninjutsu, Meaning That Neji Is So Far Able To Take Advantage Of More Predictive Attributes Than Sasuke



Movement Prediction (Heightened Beyond The Sharingan)

Sasuke can analyse at a high speed, in fact that is an understatement, the level speed at which an Uchiha master can keep track is so high that it can only be used to it's fullest potential against extremely complex Genjutsu.

Sasuke can keep track of many movements, but he failed to do this effectively against Bee's kenjutsu, despite the fact the he was able to dodge a high speed cloaked Bee.

Uchiha Eyes Can Follow Many High Speed Movements But The Body I Limited To Ho Many It Can Keep Up With

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Bee Using Kenjutsu Multiple Rapid Movements To Overwhelm Sasuke's Body

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This is seemingly because the Uchiha eyes can in fact be overwhelmed by multiple rapid movements, as opposed to one extremely fast one. This theory is further supported by Sasuke's initial success in dodging A's attack which started from quite a distance away as a charge, but then failed to dodge A's rapid attacks at close quarters.

A's Elbow Charge, Sasuke's Eyes Can See Where A Is Going To Attack His Body Is Fast Enough To Just Dodge The One Attack By A Started From Long Range

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Sasuke Is Unable To Keep Up With Attacks By "A" From Short Range And Resorts To Using Amaterasu As A Strategic Defense. It Fails To Do What It Was Meant To Do, Which Is Put "A" Off Attacking.

With The Next Short Range Attack Instead Of Sasuke Dodging He Uses Amaterasu As A Strategic Defense A Second Time, Despite It's Failure To Protect Him The First Time.


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Or this could be due to the fact that Sasuke's body could not keep up with Bee's Kenjutsu, and A's close ranged attakcs.


Sasuke's Ability to Predict Movement Will No Doubt Aid Him In His Fight Against Neji, But Not By Much Neji Has A 4.5 In Taijutsu, Where As Sasuke Has A 3.5, We Can Deduce From This That In Close Combat Taijutsu, Something Which Neji As Near Mastered, Sasuke's Body Will Not Be Able To Keep Up With What His Eyes Can See, Where As Neji Will Be Able To Keep Up With Everything.


Copy Cat!! (Ability to Memorise Complex Jutsu Even When Presented Rapidly, And Seen Just Once)

Due to the incredible ability that the Sharingan has to rapidly analyse what they have seen, they have incredible memory, and can copy the movement of their opponents, however they can not do this if they lack the physical and mental ability to do so.


Neji's Taijutsu Style Is A Hyuga Clan Secret And Is Based Heavily Around The Byakugan, Thus Not Only Does Sasuke Lack The Mental Ability To Copy Neji Be He Also Lacks The Physical Ability To Utilise It Properly



Now That I Have Established Why Sasuke's 3T Sharingan Techs Will Not Aid Him Significantly Against Neji, I will Move On To Sasuke's Mobility Speed An His Ninjutsu


Sasuke's Mobility Is 4.5, Which Is The Same As Neji's, So Sasuke Can't Out Run Neji And Neji Can't Out Run Sasuke.

At Short Range

Dealing With Attacks At Short Range

Neji's Attacks Require less prep than Sasuke's, Neji's Physical Strikes Are Faster Than Sasuke's.

Sasuke's Body Can Not React In Time To Counter Neji's Attacks, Neji's Vacuum Palm Is Faster Than Sasuke's Chidori Current, Chidori Spear Is Easier To Dodge Than Vacuum Palm At Short Range.

Neji's Vacuums Palm

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A Strong Fast Chidori Fails To Block, Or Dodge

Sasuke's Chidori Spear
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A Weak Orochimaru Could React In Time To Block Chidori Spear From His Face​



Neji Can Predict All Of Sasuke's Ninjutsu, And His Taijutus Is Superior.

Sasuke Is Unable To Follow Neji's Short Range Attacks Therefore Sasuke Deals With Neji's Attacks At High Difficulty.

Getting Out Of The Danger Zone

Sasuke And Neji Have The Same Speed, Neji Can Detect Any Ninjutsu That Sasuke Can Use To Distance Neji From Himself, Therefore Sasuke Get's Out Of Short Range With High Difficulty.

Sasuke Gets Out Of Short Range With High Difficulty And Sasuke Deals With Neji's Attacks With High Difficulty Thus Sasuke Dominates With High Difficulty.

Thus Neji Dominates Short Range At Low Difficulty.



At Mid Range

Dealing With Attacks At Mid Range

50% Of Nejis Attacks Require Less Prep Time Than Any Of The Of Sasuke's At Mid Range, All Of Sasuke's Attacks Can Be Predicted At Mid Range, Neji Has The Body To Dodge All Of The Short Prep Attacks As A Taijutsu Master.

Before Sasuke Can Even Attack Neji Has One Of The Fastest Mid Range Attacks That Can Still Do Serious Damage To Sasuke, Vacuum Palm, Sasuke Dominates At Mid Range High Difficulty.

Getting Out Of The Danger Zone

As Difficult As Dodging Vacuum Palm At Than Range Is, Let's Say Sasuke Dodges, Even If He Does It Is An Opening For Neji To Get In Close.

Neji Has The Same Speed As Sasuke, Meaning That Sasuke Would Need To Use A Ninjutsu To Get Into Long Range Neji Can See Sasuke Molding The Chakra Before He Even Uses Hand Signs.

With Neji's Incredible Sight He Can See Where Sasuke Is Going To Be Aiming His Attacks, And Use The Necessary Action To Get Into Short Range, Or At Least Keep Mid Range Distance.

The Only Way That Sasuke Can Get Out Of Mid Range Is By Summoning Hawk, But Hawk Summon Can Be Disrupted By Vacuum Palm, And Even If Hawk Summon Is Successful Sasuke's Hawk Is A Big Target For Neji's Vacuum Palm Which Is Strong Enough To Send Even Unusually Strong Opponents Such Kisame Flying.

Sasuke Get's Out Of Mid Range With High Difficulty


Sasuke Deals With Neji's Mid Range Attacks With High Difficulty, Sasuke Get's Out Of Mid Range With Mid Difficulty (At Least).

Neji Dominates Mid Range With Low Difficulty


Long Range

Dealing With Attacks At

Neji's Attacks Are Short- Mid Range, He Has No Way Of Attacking Sasuke At This Range, Thus Sasuke Deals With Neji's Attacks At Low Difficulty (Technically No Difficulty But I'm Not Working With That Scale).

Since Neji's Attacks Can Not Reach Sasuke I will Talk From The Point Of Sasuke's Attacks Reaching Neji And How He Will Deal With Them.

Keep in mind the difficulty is for long range.

Sasukes Long Range Attacks Include: Difficulty Neji Has Dealing With Them:

Kirin (High Chakra Prep Required, Low Dif Preventing
Long wait before use) Ext High Dif Dodging

Fire Release Ext High Dif Preventing
Great Dragon Fire Technique Low Dif Dodging

Chidori Senbon Ext High Dif Preventing
Low Dif Defending Against

Chidori Spear Ext High Dif Preventing
Low Dif Dodging



Thus:

Kirin, balances out to mid diff dealing with.

Fire Release: GDFT, balances out to mid diff dealing with.

Chidori Senbon, balances out to mid diff dealing with.

Chidori Spear, balances out to mid diff dealing with.


There is pretty much no way for Neji to get to Mid range, but he is not immediately in the danger zone at long range either, as he has superior long range vision to sasuke, plenty of prep for his primary and secondary defensive techs and plenty of time to move out of the way of attacks he can not defend himself against.

Unfortunately for Neji however, if Sasuke Manages to use Kirin even with Revolving Heaven Neji is at least severely damaged, Kirin is to a very aggressive attack, and is too fast, even for a Taijutsu expert like Neji to dodge.

With that said the prep for Kirin takes a major tole on chakra, so if Neji does survive Sasuke is in deep trouble.

Sasuke dominates long range with Low difficulty.( Just dominates..)

Neji Dominates at High Difficulty. (With incredible timing he could get close, but very unlikely).



Thus there for we have from my argument.

Neji winning with: low+low+high = low dif (nearing mid dif)

Sasuke winning with: High + High + low = high dif (nearing ext high dif)

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Please Note Neji's Byakugan Now Has No Blind spots As He Dealt With His Optical Blind Spot Using A Chakra Technique, Unlike The 3T Blind Spot Which Is Around 150 Degree's

I just wanted to show that Guy and Lee are in the air

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Showing that there is some surrounding force to Neji's Vacuum Palm attack, the force is significant enough to throw two Taijutsu Masters off of their feet despite not being the target of the attack.


Next I commend the find concerning the movement of Neji's feet.

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At the same time this could be due to Neji keeping himself upright, fighting against (with little difficulty), the weight of Naruto's punches, even though they can't get to his actaully body past the chakra barrier, Naruto still has weight.

The feet movement could also be extremely short positional prep for Neji to begin his spinning.

Notice the drag lines in the picture, the directions are not actually correct for a spinning movement, I will elaborate if the issue is further pursued.


Next I want to address the fact that at mid range Sasuke, despite his Sharingan and trained ability to dodge, may still fall victim to Neji's Vacuum palm and thus damage to his vital points are still at risk.

Note once again Lee and Gai Repelled by the force of Vacuum Palm.

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Due to Neji's Taijutsu driven speed, even if Sasuke sees the chakra build up in Neji's hand as well as seeing the muscle twitches in Neji's arm, which together will alert him to Neji's attack, his attempt at dodging will not be significantly successful.

As there is not enough time for significant movement.

As a result of this, although he may not get hit by the full force of Neji's attack, he would at least lose his balance as well as a lot of wind, giving Neji an opening for a swift consecutive strike.

Even if against all odds Sasuke dodges again, he will be in no condition to tend to Neji's advancements into short range, nor will he be able to defend against Neji's 8 Trigrams Revolving Heaven, or a third Vacuum Palm strike.




Chidori current would get countered by Kaiten's earlier stages, spinning is required to repel significant force, but the layer of chakra will shield his body from the current.

The chakra required to sustain this layer for long would be significant, so Neji should concentrate on blocking Sasukes chakra points to stop the current which he can easily do at short range.

Vacuum Palm would be impossible to dodge at short range.

At mid range the same end is inevitable as explained above.


One more thing, yes this is said by tenten, but other than tenten's legendary fodderhood, she has worked, trained, and fought a long side Neji for a very long time, also everything she is saying has been seen as a feat.

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Neji can sense all of his opponents attacks, with the Byakugan, the way that the Sharingan does it is very unique of course.

Also this outlines that Neji can defend himself using the chakra without necessarily spinning.

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This scan also shows us that Neji's type of attack requires training to be able to use.



The predictive abilities of the Byakugan should not be underestimated, with their eyes it would not be warranted to do so.

In fact if it were not for the ability granted by the Uchiha to analyse what they have seen faster than anyone else, than the Byakugan would actually have greater predictive abilities.

As mentioned in my earlier posts, it is easier for a Hyuga user to match their ability to dodge and defend with their ability to predict, than for an Uchiha to do so, this is because the fact that they are from a heavily Taijutsu clan, it is also because the ability of the Uchiha to analyse is so incredible that it is almost impossible for their body to match the speed at which they do so.


The Danger Zone For Sasuke Is Actually Quite Large, This Range Is Not Actually Based On Mobility Speed As Neji Has Mastered, Beyond Doubt, Getting Into Striking Position


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An attack that consists of so many strikes that area is more or less engulfed by attacks can not be dodged, and an attack that comes too soon after your prediction can not be dodged.

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As you can see the speed of Neji's attack from his arms is so great that his two arms are represented as four, to indicate rapid movement.

The results of his attacks, shown out of Naruto's back, are almost simultaneous another testament to Neji's speed.

With This I Maintain that

Neji Wins at low difficulty
Sasuke Wins With High Difficulty (Approaching Ext High)

For Short and Mid Range ^^^^^^


At long range, Neji needs to get into mid range, once he does he can end the battle with little chakra, unfortunately Sasuke has Hawk summon, making it near impossible for Neji to get into range. Unless they are fighting in a valley.

His only chance at victory is to out last Sasukes chakra, at that distance Sasuke's Ninjutsu can be easily dodged.

Sasuke's best bet is to fire a Great Dragon (which will take great chakra prep) into the sky and send a kirin at Neji, since Kirin strikes too quickly for Neji to disperse.

With Neji's eye sight he has a great deal of defensive prep time available.........I suggest he runs lol.


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FAST.


Unfortunately Kirins prep makes it near unusable without pre battle prep.

Neji could also use Sasuke's Chakra molding as time to get in from long range.

Starting a battle between Sasuke and Neji at long range is kind of silly (even though Neji could overcome the distance), but I had to because all ranges should be considered for a fair battle.

Neji's eyes give him an advantage at long range evasion.

As Neji tries to get in close the eyes of the Sharingan gain more and more advantage until Neji is in range to hit him.

Alright.


So from comparing 3T Sasuke and Byakugan Neji

Byakugan Master > 3T Master (excluding ultra-rare space time user), Low Dif
 
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Lol, no one's gonna read that. And Itachi is 3T master. Cm'on dude, raped Oro with a basic Genjutsu, sasuke is no match for 3T Itachi...
 

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...and what am i supposed to say? ( not being rude aha )
 

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Sasuke puts Neji in a Genjutsu and kills him with Chidori
 

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Lol, no one's gonna read that. And Itachi is 3T master. Cm'on dude, raped Oro with a basic Genjutsu, sasuke is no match for 3T Itachi...

How much of 3T itachi have we seen??

3T Sasuke forced 3T Itachi into using susnaoo, Sasuke is a better 3T Master.

+rep for the effort very well stated.

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How much of 3T itachi have we seen??

Fair enough. But he took down a Sannin with 3T alone. ALONE. I'll shut up now. And I can't wait until Sasuke shits on Neji so these annoying threads will stop :3
 

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+rep for the effort very well stated.

Thanks.

Wait, Just a question but why exclude sasuke's EMS or MS from this?

It's because both Sasuke's and Neji's skills are quite vast, also Sasuke's eyes have stages if I attacked all three at once the thread will be Huge.

Also I have made an EMS vs Byakugan thread

Neji or Sasuke wins, both with Ext High Diff.
 

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How much of 3T itachi have we seen??

3T Sasuke forced 3T Itachi into using susnaoo, Sasuke is a better 3T Master.



Thanks.


wow great logic you got there.. yea he forced a sick, almost blind, not trying his fullest, itachi.
 

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Fair enough. But he took down a Sannin with 3T alone. ALONE. I'll shut up now. And I can't wait until Sasuke shits on Neji so these annoying threads will stop :3

Sasuke walked away from a battle with Naruto who went all the way up to 1 tail, with that much chakra he could have easily summoned Bunta ending the fight.

Lets not underestimate plot no, especially when it comes to main characters.
 

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Orochimaru couldnt even move at that point to evade the chidori spear, it wasnt even fast either
 

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wow great logic you got there.. yea he forced a sick, almost blind, not trying his fullest, itachi.

Either Itachi was a better 3T master or he wasn't.

If he is sick and thus weaker than 3T Sasuke then lets say that.

The fact is "logic" was saying Itachi is a stronger 3T user than Sasuke. and thus I was incorrect for using Sasuke as the master rather than Itachi.

We have seen far greater feats from 3T Sasuke than Itachi.


Also not trying or trying Itachi had to use Susanoo or die from Kirin.


Anyway the thread is not about 3T Itachi.
 

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Sorry but its too much to read.
 

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This is very well done! I am absolutely amazed at the amout of work you put into this. :)

I also completely agree with this as well. +rep
 

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Sasuke > Neji, Don't forget Sasuke's lightning blade I doubt that Neji can guard against it.
 

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This is very well done! I am absolutely amazed at the amout of work you put into this. :)

I also completely agree with this as well. +rep

Thanks xd

Sasuke > Neji, Don't forget Sasuke's lightning blade I doubt that Neji can guard against it.

If you are talking about Sasuke's Kusanagi blade, it can only be used at a range that Neji totally dominates.
 

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Sasuke > Neji, Don't forget Sasuke's lightning blade I doubt that Neji can guard against it.

Actually, Rotation could be used to defend against such a technique. I have a very extensive explanation as to how it does if you insist on me posting it.
 

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Actually, Rotation could be used to defend against such a technique. I have a very extensive explanation as to how it does if you insist on me posting it.

Yeah and at that range Revolving Heaven would throw Sasuke before he can even apply enough force to the Rotation.
 
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