[Discussion] Faith

[Pavoneo]

Thank you <3

Hmm, "too much faith"...I'm not sure xD it differs from person to person, of course. Some things require a stronger element of faith than others, so deciding where too much faith lies is difficult.
I do agree that faith clouds a lot of things, though. In my opinion, there's a thin line between faith and denial. With all due respect to those with faith, sometimes I feel like faith is a method of security rather than a Religious belief, because the person in question can't handle potential outcomes of certain circumstances. The death of a loved one, for example. They don't want to accept it's happening.

Sorry if that doesn't make much sense, English isn't my first language ;P

I have a lot of respect for the way you think.. I think you're trying to say it's a way for people to cope with the information handed to them, to help them get through the event they jut went through. Whether it helps or not depends on how realistic their ideals are.

Let me ask you something.. What do you think it better, having faith or not having faith?

Obviously your opinion isn't speaking on the behalf of humans, so I wouldn't judge faith purely on your answer but I'm just curious as to what you think.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Wow o_o.. That's crazy.. That somewhat makes faith seem like an infection rather than a belief.

I asked that because I always hear stories of people not doing the right thing because they believe god will fix it in his own way. For example, I heard a story that a small child (2-3 weeks old) had a disease in which he couldn't eat food (forgot the specifics) and he was going to die of malnutrition. The mother said she was taking the child to the hospital and the father said "No, God will sort this out in his own way." Luckily, the woman was smart enough to disregard her husband and take the child to the hospital in which she got a surgery done and the child is alive to this day. The father doesn't talk to his family anymore and says that the bible is his only family now. The child hasn't seen his father for about 2-3 years now.
I know this child via the internet ._.

Le Underlined; That is why i said "Faith is Propaganda... Ask Jim Jones."

The type of people that let faith control their lifes in its entirety. i call them Extremist

IMO, there are those who say they are believers and that they have faith but certain aspects of life turn them away from being an Extremist, such as; Not being able/Not wanting to follow the their Religion to the T, this is fine with me, these people i can Co-exist with.

There are others though, who are completely brainwashed by their Religion,these type of people will do whatever it takes to uphold the values of their Religion, even if it is to kill. These type of people i cannot co-exist with, these are the people i want to turn into Zombies...

 

[Trinky]

I have a lot of respect for the way you think.. I think you're trying to say it's a way for people to cope with the information handed to them, to help them get through the event they jut went through. Whether it helps or not depends on how realistic their ideals are.

Let me ask you something.. What do you think it better, having faith or not having faith?

Obviously your opinion isn't speaking on the behalf of humans, so I wouldn't judge faith purely on your answer but I'm just curious as to what you think.

Ah yes, kind of xD I'm rubbish when it comes to explaining stuff.
I suppose it's like a defense mechanism? That "safety net" for people that aren't ready to deal with certain things in life. Sometimes it can be dangerous, but a lot of the time, it acts as a good guide too.

Oh, hmm. It really depends :x having a bit of faith is healthy, I think, but it can easily get out of control. Like that father that refused to treat his ill child, claiming God would do things his own way -- that's dangerous, and the child would have died. No doubting that. That kind of faith, I disagree with.
If for example, the parent had faith that the hospital would be able to cure/treat the child though, that's better. The situation isn't being left to some unknown greater being -- something you're fully aware of is actually being done. It's not like you're not doing anything...right? ;P

 

[Pavoneo]

Ah yes, kind of xD I'm rubbish when it comes to explaining stuff.
I suppose it's like a defense mechanism? That "safety net" for people that aren't ready to deal with certain things in life. Sometimes it can be dangerous, but a lot of the time, it acts as a good guide too.

Oh, hmm. It really depends :x having a bit of faith is healthy, I think, but it can easily get out of control. Like that father that refused to treat his ill child, claiming God would do things his own way -- that's dangerous, and the child would have died. No doubting that. That kind of faith, I disagree with.
If for example, the parent had faith that the hospital would be able to cure/treat the child though, that's better. The situation isn't being left to some unknown greater being -- something you're fully aware of is actually being done. It's not like you're not doing anything...right? ;P

So you're saying that you can have a religious faith in things that arent religious? So you're applying your faith to everyday experiences .-. Well, in my opinion that's kind of silly. Your faith (again, in my opinion) should only be put in religion. Sure, you can hope that you have something good happen to you, but sayin you have faith in something that happens on a day to day basis seems sort of silly to me.

@Shisha thank you for elaborating on that and I feel the same way ;D

 

[Olorin]

a belief without proof and often without common sense

 

[Ashflura]

You can't ultimately depend on faith. It would lead you to playing a prediction game with your self.

Personal opinion:
I see faith as a growing trust, that keeps your head held up high. Even though some days will be the roughest, I always remind myself that this life is just a test. A test of patience and how well of a muslim I can be. So if a relative passes away, I'll mourn for a respectful period and then move on knowing that if they did lead a good life, they'll be rewarded in the afterlife, and if not it's god's judgement not mine.

I believe faith is important to keep your motives straight depending on your beliefs. Faith in a higher diety, for me it's Allah. Someone that is always there to reassure you and guide you through life. My faith only grows stronger when I find signs of judgement day that were stated in the religion years ago now coming into play.

 

[Abysmal.]

Well, in this day and age, faith is basically the dismissal of facts and the adoption of ignorance. Although it isn't a bad thing, relying on it is.

 

[Pavoneo]

You can't ultimately depend on faith. It would lead you to playing a prediction game with your self.

Personal opinion:
I see faith as a growing trust, that keeps your head held up high. Even though some days will be the roughest, I always remind myself that this life is just a test. A test of patience and how well of a muslim I can be. So if a relative passes away, I'll mourn for a respectful period and then move on knowing that if they did lead a good life, they'll be rewarded in the afterlife, and if not it's god's judgement not mine.

I believe faith is important to keep your motives straight depending on your beliefs. Faith in a higher diety, for me it's Allah. Someone that is always there to reassure you and guide you through life. My faith only grows stronger when I find signs of judgement day that were stated in the religion years ago now coming into play.

I like your answer^^. Although I have a quick question. Say you had your belief in your god Allah (as you do now xD). Would your faith stay the same or decrease if the events that were said to happen didn't happen? Sorry I worded that weird.. Basically, how would your faith change if some things didn't happen that were supposed to?

Well, in this day and age, faith is basically the dismissal of facts and the adoption of ignorance. Although it isn't a bad thing, relying on it is.

Well, by your definition.. How isn't ignorance is disregarding knowledge not a bad thing?

 

[Abysmal.]

Well, by your definition.. How isn't ignorance is disregarding knowledge not a bad thing?

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Damn
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Quite the fuck up if I do say so myself. I really need to start proofreading.

 

[Ashflura]

I like your answer^^. Although I have a quick question. Say you had your belief in your god Allah (as you do now xD). Would your faith stay the same or decrease if the events that were said to happen didn't happen? Sorry I worded that weird.. Basically, how would your faith change if some things didn't happen that were supposed to?

That's a toughie, because I can't see it being different. Wondering if life was lived a different way is a form of a lack of faith in Allah actually, your life is already written for you I believe, so asking if it was different - I can't really say.
But if your interested on my thoughts say if I wasn't raised with Islam your free to PM.
I'm sorry if that isnt satisfaction of an answer.

 

[zatamaiko]

I think of it as believing something despite evidence or having a sense of hope for something.

Pretty much a gut feeling belief.