Loophole with Shiki Fujin?

[TobisPawn]

Intro

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if you don't know what I'm talking about. But anyways, I think I've found a loophole in Shiki Fujin that can easily be taken advantage by some characters as probably the most haxxed technique out there. Though I'm not sure if this was an intentional thing done by Kishi or just a plot hole. I guess its up to us to decide.

Background of the idea​

So Hiruzen's fight with Orochimaru showed us that having a clone(s) using Shiki Fujin doesn't seal the original user's soul. This is shown by Hiruzen having no physical or spiritual(?) damage from his clones using Shiki Fujin on the revived Hokages (

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). In fact, Hiruzen himself used his own Shiki Fujin later. So we can come to the firm conclusion that having a clone use Shiki Fujin does not harm the original shadow clone user in any known way (well, there might be some drawbacks; see the last section).

Conclusion​

So if someone like Naruto or Madara learns how to use Shiki Fujin, they pretty much become the most OP and haxxed characters out there in a sense. If Naruto makes

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or if Madara makes

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, Madara has 25 chances at using Shiki Fujin, and same with Naruto with however many clones the guy makes. And yet, none of them will die if their clones continuously spam and rape with it (as shown by Hiruzen). Damn, that's one hell of a useful way to use Shiki Fujin.

Other thoughts​

A possible downfall to this, though, might be that the Shadow Clone user won't get his split chakra back due to the clones sealing themselves away. That, or Kishi never intended for this to happen and its a plot hole. We have to decide whether it is or not, I guess. ​

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EDIT: Clarification posts.​

Firstly i think like you but if you'll remember, Minato vs Kyuubi. Firstly He Sealed, Kurama's Half chakra into himself, then he sealed Kurama into Naruto's belly and Kushina and himself. After that he died due to Shiki Fujin. Conclusion: You won't die when you'll finish. about your Haxx. If naruto makes 10k Clone, he can seal 10k shinobi but in the end he'll die too.

A very interesting idea, but there's a flaw. When Hiruzen used Shiki Fujin, the reaper appeared behind his clones and him. I agree that you could make a shit ton of clones and seal a lot of people, but you cannot get around the cost of the technique. You can't cheat death.

The real conclusion: The original user can seal a shit ton of people with his/her clones, but he/she'll eventually die too.

 

[-Logic-]

I thought ALL clones take equal damage to what the original body takes? So if they were to use a clone they would still feel the pain/get sealed, no?​

 

[MorphyRulez]

Firstly i think like you but if you'll remember, Minato vs Kyuubi. Firstly He Sealed, Kurama's Half chakra into himself, then he sealed Kurama into Naruto's belly and Kushina and himself. After that he died due to Shiki Fujin. Conclusion: You won't die when you'll finish. about your Haxx. If naruto makes 10k Clone, he can seal 10k shinobi but in the end he'll die too.

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

A very interesting idea, but there's a flaw. When Hiruzen used Shiki Fujin, the reaper appeared behind his clones and him. I agree that you could make a shit ton of clones and seal a lot of people, but you cannot get around the cost of the technique. You can't cheat death.

 

[TobisPawn]

I thought ALL clones take equal damage to what the original body takes?

Not once Shadow Clone is actually used, I think. Or else Naruto's KM clones would be flying around because OG Naruto got hit by a Shinra Tensei from Edo Nagato.

Unless you're talking about once Shiki Fujin is activated. For that, I have no idea.

Firstly i think like you but if you'll remember, Minato vs Kyuubi. Firstly He Sealed, Kurama's Half chakra into himself, then he sealed Kurama into Naruto's belly and Kushina and himself. After that he died due to Shiki Fujin. Conclusion: You won't die when you'll finish. about your Haxx. If naruto makes 10k Clone, he can seal 10k shinobi but in the end he'll die too.

A very interesting idea, but there's a flaw. When Hiruzen used Shiki Fujin, the reaper appeared behind his clones and him. I agree that you could make a shit ton of clones and seal a lot of people, but you cannot get around the cost of the technique. You can't cheat death.

You guys are probably right. I'll add it to the OP. But what if the OG user decides not to go and attempt to seal anyone? Will the Death God just sit behind him and wait forever? Would that be a way to cheat death?

 

[nj tandi]

Hey,I was just thinking something similar.Why didn't Minato use shadow clones.to.seal the nine tails.Maybe the split chakra of a clone wouldn't have been enough to such a huge power?Anyway,I think the user does not get the chakra from the clones back.But still,it's better than dying I suppose.Though your days as a ninja might be over with only half or quarter or whatever of your chakra.

 

[raju22]

It is one hell of a jutsu, but it is a jutsu with a very high price.

 

[-Logic-]

Like saaaaaadpanda said, you can't cheat death.

Spoiler

Unless you're Orochimaru xd

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[Naruto9001]

Hiruzen was going to die after he sealed the senju bros with his clones it just didn't happen instantly.

 

[edo x edo]

the one using shiki fujin will go numb after a litle while when sealing, so when the clone is lost, the user will die... so you would have to seal a shitload of people almost instantly

 

[TobisPawn]

Like saaaaaadpanda said, you can't cheat death.

Spoiler

Unless you're Orochimaru xd

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LOL. True that. But what if the OG user decides to let the Death God stay behind him his entire life instead of sealing someone and losing his soul? I wonder if the Death God would just get pissed and rip his soul out..

the one using shiki fujin will go numb after a litle while when sealing, so when the clone is lost, the user will die... so you would have to seal a shitload of people almost instantly

Hiruzen didn't die instantly after his clones got sealed, so there's still a small time frame the user can take advantage of.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

but since naruto has got loads of chakra so he can make clones
seal people and probably to a extent he can seal many people at a time and due to large amount of chakra

 

[Dantee]

Lol so I guess Naruto can solo the entire Narutoverse and end with a draw then? XD.

 

[TobisPawn]

Lol so I guess Naruto can solo the entire Narutoverse and end with a draw then? XD.

Assuming his clones don't get raped first by people like Tobi and Madara. LOL