Seriously...Madara Breaking Edo and now Oro revived?

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I know Madara broke out of Edo a couple of weeks ago but I haven't had the time to post this yet, but it has been bugging me...a lot. Like come on Kishi, really? Madara just so happens to know these secret hand signs that lets him break free from Edo? Give me a break. I have defended everything Kishi did so far, but it is just getting ridiculous, even more so now that Oro is back.

Seriously, Madara just happened to know the secret seals to break out of Edo? How would he possibly know these seals. Ok maybe he found them out, somehow, but the thing that bothers me the most is...how come ****ing TOBIRAMA, the CREATOR of Edo Tensei, didn't use these secret seals right away when Orochimaru summoned him, to break out of the Edo? There was a small period of time from the time he was revived until when Orochimaru put the talisman's into his head to fully control him. Your telling me the Second AND First Hokage, the two strongest Hokage, couldn't do this? Yes I am mentioning Hashirama also since he would most likely know the seals also since his brother made the jutsu. At least Hashi would have most likely been able to do this, he was on par with Madara, and Madara obviously did it. Like come on, Kishi doesn't even remember was he wrote in the past anymore it seems. I think it's just a cop out and cheap way to have Madara NOT disappear after Itachi cancelled the Edo Tensei.

As for Orochimaru...he obviously put a part of his soul into the curse marks, and Sasuke was able to use that to revive him, but there is a major flaw in this, or at least I think so. If he only put a part of his soul into the person, that means when he gets revived he will still only have that part of his soul in the new body, but that would also mean he wouldn't be able to use whatever body parts that that soul was not bound to. Take Hiruzen sealing Orochimaru's arms for instance, Hiruzen only sealed the part of Orochimaru's soul that corresponded to his arms, because of that Orochimaru always lost use of his arms after a certain amount of time in a new body. Shouldn't the same thing be happening to him now that Sasuke revived him, using the part of his soul that was in Anko? So basically if Kishi actually didn't troll us and remembered what he wrote in the past, Orochimaru should basically lose function of everything that is not a part of the soul that Sasuke revived.

Seriously, think about it. Oro's soul arms are in the Death God, and EVERY other part of his soul that WASN'T in Anko is in Itachi's Totsuka Sword. So basically, Orochimaru should flop on the ground any second now and not be able to use most of his body. I doubt he put THAT much of his soul into Anko, so he really shouldn't have use of his entire body.

And people saying that the little snake that "escaped" Itachi's Totsuka Sword was actually Orochimaru with his ENTIRE soul, I don't see how that's possible. Like really, he REALLY turned himself into a little tiny snake with his entire soul and escaped the sword? No, he didn't. The sword started sealing him basically instantly, if not instantly it definitely started sealing him before Oro even knew that it was the Totsuka Sword, so he wouldn't be able to do anything to "escape". Like god damn, people read WAY to much into things. It was obvious that the little tiny snake that escaped represented the white snakes ability to always regenerate/resurrect, making you think that he escaped. But then it got ****ing burned, representing that he couldn't escape this time, and he was gone. Obviously Kishi just wants to pull shit out of his ass and totally forgot about this message and decided he wanted Oro back, so I guess that part doesn't really matter anymore.

Seriously, I love everything Kishi has done, and I enjoyed Orochimaru coming back at first, but thinking about it now, I don't know. I always thought Madara breaking out of Edo was dumb though.

What do you guys think Tobirama magically not knowing how to break Edo yet Madara did?
 
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I know Madara broke out of Edo a couple of weeks ago but I haven't had the time to post this yet, but it has been bugging me...a lot. Like come on Kishi, really? Madara just so happens to know these secret hand signs that lets him break free from Edo? Give me a break. I have defended everything Kishi did so far, but it is just getting ridiculous, even more so now that Oro is back.

Seriously, Madara just happened to know the secret seals to break out of Edo? How would he possibly know these seals. Ok maybe he found them out, somehow, but the thing that bothers me the most is...how come ****ing TOBIRAMA, the CREATOR of Edo Tensei, didn't use these secret seals right away when Orochimaru summoned him, to break out of the Edo? There was a small period of time from the time he was revived until when Orochimaru put the talisman's into his head to fully control him. Your telling me the Second AND First Hokage, the two strongest Hokage, couldn't do this? Yes I am mentioning Hashirama also since he would most likely know the seals also since his brother made the jutsu. At least Hashi would have most likely been able to do this, he was on par with Madara, and Madara obviously did it. Like come on, Kishi doesn't even remember was he wrote in the past anymore it seems. I think it's just a cop out and cheap way to have Madara NOT disappear after Itachi cancelled the Edo Tensei.

As for Orochimaru...he obviously put a part of his soul into the curse marks, and Sasuke was able to use that to revive him, but there is a major flaw in this, or at least I think so. If he only put a part of his soul into the person, that means when he gets revived he will still only have that part of his soul in the new body, but that would also mean he wouldn't be able to use whatever body parts that that soul was not bound to. Take Hiruzen sealing Orochimaru's arms for instance, Hiruzen only sealed the part of Orochimaru's soul that corresponded to his arms, because of that Orochimaru always lost use of his arms after a certain amount of time in a new body. Shouldn't the same thing be happening to him now that Sasuke revived him, using the part of his soul that was in Anko? So basically if Kishi actually didn't troll us and remembered what he wrote in the past, Orochimaru should basically lose function of everything that is not a part of the soul that Sasuke revived.

Seriously, think about it. Oro's soul arms are in the Death God, and EVERY other part of his soul that WASN'T in Anko is in Itachi's Totsuka Sword. So basically, Orochimaru should flop on the ground any second now and not be able to use most of his body. I doubt he put THAT much of his soul into Anko, so he really shouldn't have use of his entire body.

And to anyone who says that the STUPID ****ING snake that "escaped" Itachi's Totsuka Sword was actually Orochimaru with his ENTIRE soul, is an idiot. Like really, he REALLY turned himself into a little tiny snake with his entire soul and escaped the sword? No, he didn't. The sword started sealing him basically instantly, if not instantly it definitely started sealing him before Oro even knew that it was the Totsuka Sword, so he wouldn't be able to do anything to "escape". Like god damn, people read WAY to much into things. It was obvious that the little tiny snake that escaped represented the white snakes ability to always regenerate/resurrect, making you think that he escaped. But then it got ****ing burned, representing that he couldn't escape this time, and he was gone. Obviously Kishi just wants to pull shit out of his ass and totally forgot about this message and decided he wanted Oro back, so I guess that part doesn't really matter anymore.

Seriously, I love everything Kishi has done, and I enjoyed Orochimaru coming back at first, but thinking about it now, I don't know. I always thought Madara breaking out of Edo was dumb though.

What do you guys think Tobirama magically not knowing how to break Edo yet Madara did?
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Kishimoto fails everywhere, first fail here, another fail allowing 9 ninjas to passexams each year, up to 8 or so genins from like half ninja world to become chuunins and then, in the end, from each village, bring out total 80k ninjas? Nevermind, about Madara, i was glad he survived, cos i'm his fanboy and "go in his ass" man...but, when orochimaru got back, i was like i wanted to dig up everything near me, i was sooo ****ing pissed....and letting Madara stay is also dumb, cos he will have to lose, tell me, how can someone beat someone, who is Nagato, Madara, Hashirama with infinite chakra and immortality together? Spam 10000 complete susanoo clones, shinra/chibaku tenseis, absorb techniques, call meteorites, use wood and 5 elements...you know...rep + anyway
and that snake was burnt with amaterasu
 

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Tobirama was being FULLY CONTROLLED by Oro. Madara had free will. Also, Oro never released edo tensei, so there was no gap in which he could have released himself. That tobirama question has been raised many times, please search first.
 

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I wasn't mad when Madara was free from Edo tensei. I was upset when the pedophile was revived though, I never liked him.

Haha yeah def. I mean I'm not MAD that Madara broke free of Edo, I'm just mad that the creator of the ****ing jutsu couldn't do the same thing. Yeah Madara is beast and obviously learned the seals to break free. But Tobirama should've been able to do the same thing.

I mean I understand that Kishi obviously didn't think of it back then, and it would be weird for Tobirama to break free of Edo at that point cause it would ruin the entire Hiruzen sacrificing himself thing. But at least make Madara break Edo another way then, that Tobirama WOULDN'T know how to do.
 

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Tobirama was being FULLY CONTROLLED by Oro. Madara had free will. Also, Oro never released edo tensei, so there was no gap in which he could have released himself. That tobirama question has been raised many times, please search first.

no, tobirama wasnt fully under control, manga 118 shows him revived and talking, in 119 he got his talisman
 

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Haha yeah def. I mean I'm not MAD that Madara broke free of Edo, I'm just mad that the creator of the ****ing jutsu couldn't do the same thing. Yeah Madara is beast and obviously learned the seals to break free. But Tobirama should've been able to do the same thing.

I mean I understand that Kishi obviously didn't think of it back then, and it would be weird for Tobirama to break free of Edo at that point cause it would ruin the entire Hiruzen sacrificing himself thing. But at least make Madara break Edo another way then, that Tobirama WOULDN'T know how to do.

well he probably didnt want madara to lose an eye using izanagi, so he made him using these seals
 

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Tobirama was being FULLY CONTROLLED by Oro. Madara had free will. Also, Oro never released edo tensei, so there was no gap in which he could have released himself. That tobirama question has been raised many times, please search first.

And I'm saying that he WASN'T fully controlled for at least a short period of time. Even a few seconds. They talked to Hiruzen, so they obviously weren't FULLY controlled until Oro put the kunai in their head. Oro's Edo is not as perfect as Kabuto's also you have to remember. And I did search, I don't want to hear this search bullshit, not everyone doesn't search.
 

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I wasn't mad when Madara was free from Edo tensei. I was upset when the pedophile was revived though, I never liked him.

Haha yeah def. I mean I'm not MAD that Madara broke free of Edo, I'm just mad that the creator of the ****ing jutsu couldn't do the same thing. Yeah Madara is beast and obviously learned the seals to break free. But Tobirama should've been able to do the same thing.

I mean I understand that Kishi obviously didn't think of it back then, and it would be weird for Tobirama to break free of Edo at that point cause it would ruin the entire Hiruzen sacrificing himself thing. But at least make Madara break Edo another way then, that Tobirama WOULDN'T know how to do.
I agree. =3
 

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If you are referring to the end of the fight that is impossible as their souls got sealed
 

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Pedomaru was destined to come back, this whole madara thing though is mega BS from the time he got rinnegan I hated him
 

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well he probably didnt want madara to lose an eye using izanagi, so he made him using these seals

Yeah the Izanagi thing he probably didn't want him doing. Hell even just having Madara release a ridiculous amount of Chakra to break free from the Edo ending would have been better in my mind lol. Like in a different way than Perfect Susanoo. He released that chakra to take a form, maybe release that much and I don't know, do something with himself.
 
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Kishimoto fails everywhere, first fail here, another fail allowing 9 ninjas to passexams each year, up to 8 or so genins from like half ninja world to become chuunins and then, in the end, from each village, bring out total 80k ninjas? Nevermind, about Madara, i was glad he survived, cos i'm his fanboy and "go in his ass" man...but, when orochimaru got back, i was like i wanted to dig up everything near me, i was sooo ****ing pissed....and letting Madara stay is also dumb, cos he will have to lose, tell me, how can someone beat someone, who is Nagato, Madara, Hashirama with infinite chakra and immortality together? Spam 10000 complete susanoo clones, shinra/chibaku tenseis, absorb techniques, call meteorites, use wood and 5 elements...you know...rep + anyway
and that snake was burnt with amaterasu
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this was likely to happen
and also plot holes are unavoidable
bcoz this is something which we cannot understand unless kishi tells us everything
 

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Madara knowing how to break free from edo tensei was complete BS to me. Orochimaru coming back wasn't bad though and his soul is basically in every person that has his curse mark and there will probably be explanations as to how oro came back and madara knows how to break free from edo tensei so calm down.
 

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It was stated that Madara was able to break free because the Edo Tensei was released by Kabuto (it needs to be released by the user in order for the person under the jutsu to possibly break free).

1st and 2nd Hokages were never released by oro, although they did have their conscious for a little. That is why Madara couldn't just release himself as soon as he was summoned, he had to wait until Kabuto released the Edo Tensei.

Although I agree on how Madara knew about this seems unreal...
Just my 2 cents
 

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Seems like Kishi started forgetting rules of ninja world he wrote in the past since Naruto got Super Saiyan mode. +rep
 

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Haha yeah def. I mean I'm not MAD that Madara broke free of Edo, I'm just mad that the creator of the ****ing jutsu couldn't do the same thing. Yeah Madara is beast and obviously learned the seals to break free. But Tobirama should've been able to do the same thing.

I mean I understand that Kishi obviously didn't think of it back then, and it would be weird for Tobirama to break free of Edo at that point cause it would ruin the entire Hiruzen sacrificing himself thing. But at least make Madara break Edo another way then, that Tobirama WOULDN'T know how to do.

Yeah Tobirama should have done that but he was being fully controlled by Oro, if I'm not mistaken? If Tobirama had the freedom then he would done it probably. He would see that he is fighting his student and his partner is his brother, Hashirama. Tobirama would of helped Hiruzen fight off Hashirama. It would made the fight more interesting and longer. It didn't happen so that sucks.
 
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