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Ok I will begin my explanation.
For the sake of clarity and as little chakra advantage as possibly I will use Neji and Sasuke.
A shortened version is not being made, please read all before criticisin.
Please do not just attack because the whole idea angers you.
This post is for the sake of a constructive and interesting discussion.
Flames may come anyway xd.
BTW it is my opinion that MS Sasuke loses to Neji, as an MS Sharingan user is basically a Sharingan user with Nukes that can be used 3 times max in one day, as for EMS vs Byakugan It would be a high diff win if Byakugan were to win.
How Byakugan could win will be explained below.
Alright Let's start with what EMS can do and how Byakugan can counter it.
I will also point out the negatives of using these skills while only having MS to validate my Byakugan > MS stance.
So to start Sasukes EMS is quite special (blaze release), and at the same time lacking (Tsukuyomi ,absolute prowess in Sharingan Genjutsu, still not in his possession).
Cast Sharingan Genjutsu, with MS it wore him down considerably, but with EMS he seems to be only slightly weakened after casting it.
This is a much weaker version of Tsukuyomi, but it does incapacitate the Shinobi that falls under it, even if it is just momentarily it provides crucial openings.
Amaterasu said by zetsu to "converge at the focal point of the caster, I will not go (completely) by the data book description of the speed of Amaterasu, as this description has not been supported by feats within the manga.
What I will do, is say that the flames are much faster than normal katon, and the flames burn it's target completely unless they are sealed, dispelled by force or shed with the skin or any other outer layer.
There are no other ways to remove the flames, and they will burn until the target is consumed completely, or if not maintained by the caster for more than three days.
Susanoo, this is usually praised for it's powerful (but breakable defense) in actually fact it is also a very powerful offensive tech, it seems Sasuke can place a ball of Amaterasu into the hand of his Susanoo's and use blaze release to send flames from that ball to targets.
Susanoo is made from Amaterasu like chakra and given by Tsukuyomi, it is a manifestation of the chakra of the user and a Double MS (DMS) is required for it to be activated.
If a DMS user uses Susanoo it would completely wear them out and make battling further difficult even if MS techs are not used.
I will now talk about how the Byakugan can battle the above three.
Sharingan Genjutsu
This attack is weaker than Tsukuyomi, it can not control time in the Genjutsu world, and danzo was able to counter it, though I will assume that sasuke has strengthened it since that battle.
Byakugan users have x-ray vision, being able to see through solid objects such as walls, they can also see using heat vision, chakra nature detection and chakra network vision.
X-ray vision is more important right now, because they can see through walls logic would suggest that they can see through eye lids which are considerably thinner.
So Byakugan users can see the battle field in great detail with their eyes closed, at near 360 degrees vision and with neji for at least 800 meters.
Neji will not fall under Sharingan Genjutsu as Sasuke will not be able to make eye contact with him.
Sasuke has not been shown to use any other significantly powerful Genjutsu other than Sharingan Genjutsu.
Neji as a Hyuga, and thus a member of one of the best sensing type ninja in NU, and an Expert Gentle Fist user, thus having great chakra control, can free himself from the lesser ones.
Amaterasu
Sasuke is more advanced in this it would seem, by feats alone, than any other Uchiha.
Now Neji can use Revolving Heaven to repel the flames.
There is a problem here though that should not be ignored.
From short range due to the speed of the highest ranking katon, amaterasu, using Revolving Heaven should not be possible as it can not be activated in time, at mid range it is unlikely that anyone other than a Gentle Fist master can activate it in time.
Neji can however use Revolving Heaven in time throughout the rest of the battle if he survives the first, or the first two Amaterasu attacks, I will explain why after I suggest how Neji can survive them.
There are two ways.
You can see here that it acts as an outer shell, now I do not suggest that the amaterasu will not burn through the shell, it will eventually, but becasue amaterasu burns slowly, and Neji can keep replenishing his chakra shell, the danger is not immediate.
He won't keep replenishing his chakra shell forever, this is neither practical or possible, he also does not need to as the amaterasu flames can now be repelled as Neji has enough time to now use Revolving Heaven.
Neji can survive because he has displayed the ability to emit chakra from every part of his body, as you can see from the picture above Neji did this with enough force to remove the webs from himself, he had to this because the webs were too strong for him, a Taijutsu expert, to remove physically.
Another important factor is that the chakra comes from within Neji's body, meaning that he can use this method to push the amaterasu off of his body without touching it at all.
So we have established now that there are at least two ways that Neji can survive a direct hit from susanoo.
Neji a byakugan user can see this change, (shown below, notice the change in the amount and type of chakra in the local area of the chakra network in his opponents head)
he can remember this for the next time amaterasu is about to be used, when this happens he has significantly more time to use Revolving Heaven because he can use it preemptively, or in fact counter Amaterasu preemptively, using Eight Trigrams Vacumm Palm for example, or dodge preemptively.
Susnaoo
It is pure chakra with form, ninjutsu is chakra given form and often a specific nature, if you have great chakra control you can mold the chakra and the chakra nature without hand signs, but many can not.
In the case of Susanoo, Tsukuyomi molds the chakra that drives Amaterasu, this results in Susanoo.
Neji has shown the ability use Byakugan (to see the weak points of a Ninjutsu's chakra structure) in conjunction with Gentle Fist (The ability to release chakra from tenketsu to directly disrupt the flow of chakra) to totally disrupt the chakra flow of the whole Ninjutsu tech, thus making it totally devoid of a definite form and thus ending the Ninjutsu (Ninjutsu is molded chakra).
Susanoo is a ninjutsu, it is chakra given form, if Neji can disrupt the flow of chakra with a powerful enough gentle palm tech (Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm for example) the form of susanoo will be destroyed, not through overwhelming power but with the finesse of a precision blow.
Also If Neji can block enough chakra paths after Susanoo is dispersed he can prevent it from being activated a second time.
That Is My Explanation & Argument.
For the sake of clarity and as little chakra advantage as possibly I will use Neji and Sasuke.
A shortened version is not being made, please read all before criticisin.
Please do not just attack because the whole idea angers you.
This post is for the sake of a constructive and interesting discussion.
Flames may come anyway xd.
BTW it is my opinion that MS Sasuke loses to Neji, as an MS Sharingan user is basically a Sharingan user with Nukes that can be used 3 times max in one day, as for EMS vs Byakugan It would be a high diff win if Byakugan were to win.
How Byakugan could win will be explained below.
Alright Let's start with what EMS can do and how Byakugan can counter it.
I will also point out the negatives of using these skills while only having MS to validate my Byakugan > MS stance.
So to start Sasukes EMS is quite special (blaze release), and at the same time lacking (Tsukuyomi ,absolute prowess in Sharingan Genjutsu, still not in his possession).
Sasuke Can
Cast Sharingan Genjutsu, with MS it wore him down considerably, but with EMS he seems to be only slightly weakened after casting it.
This is a much weaker version of Tsukuyomi, but it does incapacitate the Shinobi that falls under it, even if it is just momentarily it provides crucial openings.
Amaterasu said by zetsu to "converge at the focal point of the caster, I will not go (completely) by the data book description of the speed of Amaterasu, as this description has not been supported by feats within the manga.
What I will do, is say that the flames are much faster than normal katon, and the flames burn it's target completely unless they are sealed, dispelled by force or shed with the skin or any other outer layer.
There are no other ways to remove the flames, and they will burn until the target is consumed completely, or if not maintained by the caster for more than three days.
Susanoo, this is usually praised for it's powerful (but breakable defense) in actually fact it is also a very powerful offensive tech, it seems Sasuke can place a ball of Amaterasu into the hand of his Susanoo's and use blaze release to send flames from that ball to targets.
Susanoo is made from Amaterasu like chakra and given by Tsukuyomi, it is a manifestation of the chakra of the user and a Double MS (DMS) is required for it to be activated.
If a DMS user uses Susanoo it would completely wear them out and make battling further difficult even if MS techs are not used.
I will now talk about how the Byakugan can battle the above three.
Sharingan Genjutsu
This attack is weaker than Tsukuyomi, it can not control time in the Genjutsu world, and danzo was able to counter it, though I will assume that sasuke has strengthened it since that battle.
Byakugan users have x-ray vision, being able to see through solid objects such as walls, they can also see using heat vision, chakra nature detection and chakra network vision.
X-ray vision is more important right now, because they can see through walls logic would suggest that they can see through eye lids which are considerably thinner.
So Byakugan users can see the battle field in great detail with their eyes closed, at near 360 degrees vision and with neji for at least 800 meters.
Neji will not fall under Sharingan Genjutsu as Sasuke will not be able to make eye contact with him.
Sasuke has not been shown to use any other significantly powerful Genjutsu other than Sharingan Genjutsu.
Neji as a Hyuga, and thus a member of one of the best sensing type ninja in NU, and an Expert Gentle Fist user, thus having great chakra control, can free himself from the lesser ones.
Amaterasu
Sasuke is more advanced in this it would seem, by feats alone, than any other Uchiha.
Now Neji can use Revolving Heaven to repel the flames.
There is a problem here though that should not be ignored.
From short range due to the speed of the highest ranking katon, amaterasu, using Revolving Heaven should not be possible as it can not be activated in time, at mid range it is unlikely that anyone other than a Gentle Fist master can activate it in time.
Neji can however use Revolving Heaven in time throughout the rest of the battle if he survives the first, or the first two Amaterasu attacks, I will explain why after I suggest how Neji can survive them.
There are two ways.
The First Way.
It may take some time to activate Revolving Heaven but it takes is considerably less time for Neji to envelope himself in powerful (and not yet penetrated in the manga) chakra, shown below.
It may take some time to activate Revolving Heaven but it takes is considerably less time for Neji to envelope himself in powerful (and not yet penetrated in the manga) chakra, shown below.
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You can see here that it acts as an outer shell, now I do not suggest that the amaterasu will not burn through the shell, it will eventually, but becasue amaterasu burns slowly, and Neji can keep replenishing his chakra shell, the danger is not immediate.
He won't keep replenishing his chakra shell forever, this is neither practical or possible, he also does not need to as the amaterasu flames can now be repelled as Neji has enough time to now use Revolving Heaven.
The Second Way
If Neji fails to activate his chakra shell in time and gets hit by amaterasu, he can in fact still survive. Why?
If Neji fails to activate his chakra shell in time and gets hit by amaterasu, he can in fact still survive. Why?
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Neji can survive because he has displayed the ability to emit chakra from every part of his body, as you can see from the picture above Neji did this with enough force to remove the webs from himself, he had to this because the webs were too strong for him, a Taijutsu expert, to remove physically.
Another important factor is that the chakra comes from within Neji's body, meaning that he can use this method to push the amaterasu off of his body without touching it at all.
So we have established now that there are at least two ways that Neji can survive a direct hit from susanoo.
Now!! Hyuga clan members can see the chakra network of their oppponent, they can see the chakra nature also.
Now when ninjutsu is going to be used there is a change in both chakra flow of the network and in the nature of the chakra.
Now when ninjutsu is going to be used there is a change in both chakra flow of the network and in the nature of the chakra.
Neji a byakugan user can see this change, (shown below, notice the change in the amount and type of chakra in the local area of the chakra network in his opponents head)
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he can remember this for the next time amaterasu is about to be used, when this happens he has significantly more time to use Revolving Heaven because he can use it preemptively, or in fact counter Amaterasu preemptively, using Eight Trigrams Vacumm Palm for example, or dodge preemptively.
Susnaoo
It is pure chakra with form, ninjutsu is chakra given form and often a specific nature, if you have great chakra control you can mold the chakra and the chakra nature without hand signs, but many can not.
In the case of Susanoo, Tsukuyomi molds the chakra that drives Amaterasu, this results in Susanoo.
Neji has shown the ability use Byakugan (to see the weak points of a Ninjutsu's chakra structure) in conjunction with Gentle Fist (The ability to release chakra from tenketsu to directly disrupt the flow of chakra) to totally disrupt the chakra flow of the whole Ninjutsu tech, thus making it totally devoid of a definite form and thus ending the Ninjutsu (Ninjutsu is molded chakra).
Neji using gentle fist to destroy the form of Kisame's Water Prison ninjutsu.
Note that it is almost impossible for a Shinobi to move in a water prison.
Unusually great feats of strength or chakra are required to escape, because of this Water Prison is used as a way to drown even Jounin rank Shinobi, or if not kill, incapacitate them.
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Note that it is almost impossible for a Shinobi to move in a water prison.
Unusually great feats of strength or chakra are required to escape, because of this Water Prison is used as a way to drown even Jounin rank Shinobi, or if not kill, incapacitate them.
Susanoo is a ninjutsu, it is chakra given form, if Neji can disrupt the flow of chakra with a powerful enough gentle palm tech (Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm for example) the form of susanoo will be destroyed, not through overwhelming power but with the finesse of a precision blow.
Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
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Also If Neji can block enough chakra paths after Susanoo is dispersed he can prevent it from being activated a second time.
That Is My Explanation & Argument.
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I was just about to make this thread now (yes fanboy reasons) But I wasn't going to say the byakugan I was going to say neji an elite member of the hyuga clan. Wow I will give yours a read and if it's good enough I want make one.
