The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan > The Byakugan (Possible misconception in NB)

[SilverSlick]

I don't think Genjutsu will work on a byakugan. I bet the first guy who discovered the technique was a ****ing boss. +rep.

 

[Maunten]

i'm going to use sasuke for example. if a hyuuga was going to attack sasuke's susanoo right before impact he can make a black shield around his susanoo using amaterasu, if the hyuuga stops he could get crushed by susanoo and if he doesn't he burns to death

Hyuga can use chakra expulsion to deal with the amaterasu wall, they are probably the best clan for dealing with this in fact, as they do not have to make direct contact.

 

[Ryuu..]

It can't repel Amaterasu because it can't react fast enough.

 

[Maunten]

A simple genjutsu and the Hyuga are done for. The byakugan has shown nothing that would lead someone to think it can break a sharingan genjutsu and nobody bar Guy has shown to be able fight by only looking at ones feet.

And as for them repelling amaterasu it isn't happening. Why? Because amaterasu appears exactly where the user is looking and thus doesn't give them enough time to set up their defense. Unless you're telling me all Hyuga's have speed and reactions on par with A? If so then just :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:

A dodged amamterasu at point black, from a distance Amaterasu has been dodged by much slower shinobi (sasuke).

Kabuto could dodge, the much faster Susanoo arrow, with his eyes closed because he was able to sense it.

I did not suggest they could break the Sharingan Genjutsu, they just won't get put under it.

It can't repel Amaterasu because it can't react fast enough.

This depends on the distance as with all katon attacks.

 

[dottie1]

Honestly think about might guy or rock lee with a byakugan they would kick some serious ****ing ass,more then they already do.

 

[Maunten]

Honestly think about might guy or rock lee with a byakugan they would kick some serious ****ing ass,more then they already do.

You would think that the Hyuga should be able to enter up to 7 gates with eyes given the control they have over their tenketsu and their taijutsu prowess.

Another thing kishi held back to prevent making a clan of OP shino.

 

[abhiraj]

Tsukuyomi doesn't need eye contact... (?)

It does. that's why when facing itachi for the first time kakashi told everyone to close their eyes

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I think the Byakugan is better than the 3T sharingan but lets face it, MS will demolish the Byakugan.

 

[Maunten]

I think the Byakugan is better than the 3T sharingan but lets face it, MS will demolish the Byakugan.

That's just because of the power we have seen from it, byakugan work with power applied to specific points where as the MS is explosive, Byakugan users are almost built to be able to fight MS.

My current issue is susanoo, once it's down the battle is over, one blow.

I have a theory for how to take out susanoo using gentle fist (written in OP) but someone said that it is pure chakra with form and so gentle fist won't work, but pure chakra with form still has to have some kind of chakra flow which can be attacked.

 

[Negative Knight]

Honestly the Byakugan just needs some sort of upgrade in any form then it would be able to definitely without a doubt be able to rival and even beat the EMS

 

[-Vegeta-]

A dodged amamterasu at point black, from a distance Amaterasu has been dodged by much slower shinobi (sasuke).

So much fail.

Sasuke never dodged a actual amaterasu. Itachi manipulated already existing flames to follow Sasuke as shown here. A regular amaterasu appears right away wherever the eye is focused and no Hyuga has the reaction time nor speed like A to put their defense up in time.

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Kabuto could dodge, the much faster Susanoo arrow, with his eyes closed because he was able to sense it.

Sensing/perception is an ability the Hyuga don't have so I'm not sure why you even brought it up. Besides I never even mentioned the arrows in my post. And did you really just say a susanoo arrow is faster than amaterasu? If so then I simply can't take you seriously anymore.

I did not suggest they could break the Sharingan Genjutsu, they just won't get put under it.

And how exactly is that? Nobody and I repeat NOBODY is immune to genjutsu. Even Bee fell to it, but was able to break it due to being a perfect jinchuuriki. The only one who has shown to be able to fight without without looking into someones eyes is Guy.

So do tell how the Hyuga's won't be put under it? I'll wait.

 

[Maunten]

So much fail.

Sasuke never dodged a actual amaterasu. Itachi manipulated already existing flames to follow Sasuke as shown here. A regular amaterasu appears right away wherever the eye is focused and no Hyuga has the reaction time nor speed like A to put their defense up in time.

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Sensing/perception is an ability the Hyuga don't have so I'm not sure why you even brought it up. Besides I never even mentioned the arrows in my post. And did you really just say a susanoo arrow is faster than amaterasu? If so then I simply can't take you seriously anymore.



And how exactly is that? Nobody and I repeat NOBODY is immune to genjutsu. Even Bee fell to it, but was able to break it due to being a perfect jinchuuriki. The only one who has shown to be able to fight without without looking into someones eyes is Guy.

So do tell how the Hyuga's won't be put under it? I'll wait.

Ok you know what, please give me a feat of speed from amaterasu to back up what you are saying..

Also, Seriously?

You using data book description for Amaterasu when the data book has exaggerated so many jutsu it's not even funny.

Feats only please. So far amaterasu isn't as fast as you are saying.

Secondly neji can see the change in chakra flow in sasuke and know when the amaterasu is going to be cast, neji has been shown to see the changes in chakra flow.

Also I will say this for you, Hyuga are the best sensing clan in NU.

They can see actual chakra flow, they can see for miles and they can see at near 360 degrees.

When you combine these three and you get sensing abilities beyond sage mode, not doubt, there eyes are sought after and an attempt know the secret of there eyes and body almost caused a war.

Sasuke dodged the flames before Itachi manipulated them.....I will not say you were selective with the truth when you used that particular manga scan, it was most likely a mistake.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Ok you know what, please give me a feat of speed from amaterasu to back up what you are saying..

Appearing near instantly on Danzo.

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Appearing near instantly on the fire Sasuke had cast.

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Appearing near instantly when aimed at A.

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Shall I go on?

Also, Seriously?

You using data book description for Amaterasu when the data book has exaggerated so many jutsu it's not even funny.

When did I ever use a databook description in my post? I'm giving you evidence straight from the manga.

Feats only please. So far amaterasu isn't as fast as you are saying.

Feats are above my friend.

Secondly neji can see the change in chakra flow in sasuke and know when the amaterasu is going to be cast, neji has been shown to see the changes in chakra flow.

Since when does the chakra change when one uses amaterasu? This is pure nonsense.

Also I will say this for you, Hyuga are the best sensing clan in NU.

And this is relevant how?

They can see actual chakra flow, they can see for miles and they can see at near 360 degrees.

So? That doesn't prevent them from being caught in genjutsu. Bring a better argument.

When you combine these three and you get sensing abilities beyond sage mode, not doubt, there eyes are sought after and an attempt know the secret of there eyes and body almost caused a war.

No you don't. The byakugan doesn't in anyway sense chakra as Kabuto and Naruto can and you trying to say it won't change that.

Sasuke dodged the flames before Itachi manipulated them.....I will not say you were selective with the truth when you used that particular manga scan, it was most likely a mistake.

No he didn't. Itachi NEVER aimed amaterasu at Sasuke from his eyes. The flames were already there and thus were manipulated by Itachi into following Sasuke.

It's basically the same as when Sasuke manipulated existing flames and threw them at Gaara as shown here.

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Your argument is based on flawed and baseless theories.

 

[Maunten]

Appearing near instantly on Danzo.

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Appearing near instantly on the fire Sasuke had cast.

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Appearing near instantly when aimed at A.

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Shall I go on?

Danzo was in mid air, and at short range to sasuke, he can not dodge a katon in that situation.

The fire from was going towards Itachi and Itachi's amaterasu was going towards the fire and they were also at short range to each other, if two things are approaching each other at short range they will meet very quickly.

A dodging amaterasu at short range even with his speed is a testament to the fact that it can be dodged at mid to long range especially by a sensor type nin.


You used a data book description by saying Amaterasu would appear at the focal point instead when it is not instantaneous like that.

How can it be pure nonsense for someones chakra flow to change when they are using a ninjutsu?

Ninjutsu uses chakra, people use hand signs for ninjutsu if they need extra help to control their chakra flow accordingly, please look up ninjutsu for naruto.

It is relevant because you were implying that kabuto can sense more efficiently than hyuga.

Which genjutsu can sasuke use on neji if his eyes are closed??

Yes you do you get near 360 vision that can see chakra flow for miles.

The black flames consumed sauskes flames, sasukes flames came from his directions....



It is not baseless at all.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Danzo was in mid air, and at short range to sasuke, he can not dodge a katon in that situation.

Irrelevant consideirng amaterasu is stated to appear on anything the user has their sight on, so as long as the user has their opponent in his/her sight then it'll appear at that exact spot.

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"It burns whatever the eye focuses on....The black flames will converge on exactly that spot" And thus if the opponent is still within the users line of sight then it will appear exactly at the spot.

The fire from was going towards Itachi and Itachi's amaterasu was going towards the fire and they were also at short range to each other, if two things are approaching each other at short range they will meet very quickly.

Read above.

A dodging amaterasu at short range even with his speed is a testament to the fact that it can be dodged at mid to long range especially by a sensor type nin.

When did I ever say amaterasu couldn't be dodged? It can, but you need to be insanely fast and have incredible reaction speed and A possesses both of these qualities. The only other type of ninja who could theoretically dodge it would be high sensor/perception type shinobi such as Naruto and Kabuto.

The Hyuga's DON'T possesses sensor abilites.

 

[Champ]

Irrelevant consideirng amaterasu is stated to appear on anything the user has their sight on, so as long as the user has their opponent in his/her sight then it'll appear at that exact spot.

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"It burns whatever the eye focuses on....The black flames will converge on exactly that spot" And thus if the opponent is still within the users line of sight then it will appear exactly at the spot.



Read above.



When did I ever say amaterasu couldn't be dodged? It can, but you need to be insanely fast and have incredible reaction speed and A possesses both of these qualities. The only other type of ninja who could theoretically dodge it would be high sensor/perception type shinobi such as Naruto and Kabuto.

The Hyuga's DON'T possesses sensor abilites.

Vegeta I missed you ownin ppl u should log on more.

 

[Maunten]

Irrelevant consideirng amaterasu is stated to appear on anything the user has their sight on, so as long as the user has their opponent in his/her sight then it'll appear at that exact spot.

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"It burns whatever the eye focuses on....The black flames will converge on exactly that spot" And thus if the opponent is still within the users line of sight then it will appear exactly at the spot.



Read above.



When did I ever say amaterasu couldn't be dodged? It can, but you need to be insanely fast and have incredible reaction speed and A possesses both of these qualities. The only other type of ninja who could theoretically dodge it would be high sensor/perception type shinobi such as Naruto and Kabuto.

The Hyuga's DON'T possesses sensor abilites.

con·verge/kənˈvərj/
Verb:
(of several people or things) Come together from different directions so as eventually to meet.
Come from different directions and meet at (a place).

So from any range what so ever you have to be insanely fast, dude comon...

You are giving this jutsu way too much power than it actually has, all of the speed feats you showed me were short attacks.

I also dealt with Amaterasu with Revolving Heaven.

"A sensor (感知タイプ, Kanchi taipu; Literally meaning "Perception type") is a type of ninja that is capable of detecting the presence of other people through their chakra."

Naruto wikia, much more reliable than data book, lets end that here?

 

[-Vegeta-]

Vegeta I missed you ownin ppl u should log on more.

I've been busy lately so I haven't had much time for NB, but I'll be on more and more soon xd

con·verge/kənˈvərj/
Verb:
(of several people or things) Come together from different directions so as eventually to meet.
Come from different directions and meet at (a place).

So from any range what so ever you have to be insanely fast, dude comon...

You are giving this jutsu way too much power than it actually has, all of the speed feats you showed me were short attacks.

I also dealt with Amaterasu with Revolving Heaven.

I'm not giving the jutsu anymore power, I'm simply stating facts.

The fact is the manga states that the flames will appear wherever the users eye is focused on and thus if the user has his/her opponent in their line of sight then it will appear at that exact spot. The manga has shown this. Whenever it's cast from the eye it appears exactly where the users eye is focusing.

If you have a problem with it then mail Kishi and take it up with him because I'm simply giving you the facts.

And no a wiki is not much more reliable than a databook. The databook is written by Kishi himself, the wiki is fanmade. The Hyuga's can't detect chakra, they can see it.

 

[Maunten]

I've been busy lately so I haven't had much time for NB, but I'll be on more and more soon xd



I'm not giving the jutsu anymore power, I'm simply stating facts.

The fact is the manga states that the flames will appear wherever the users eye is focused on and thus if the user has his/her opponent in their line of sight then it will appear at that exact spot.

If you have a problem with it then mail Kishi and take it up with him because I'm simply giving you the facts.

The manga does not say that.

Amatersau has been dodged, even if it has been dodged just once by the fastest person alive the statement is totally dis proven, and seriously, A was practically 6 feet from sasuke when he dodged it, dodging any katon at that range is an incredible feat.


Wow wikia is just fan made huh? It is based on feats from the manga, in the data book amaterasu is as huh as the sun, if it was it would have melted sasuke the moment it hit him.

 

[Strict]

Even three tomoe Sharingan users like Sasuke or Itachi would beat any Hyuga.