The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan > The Byakugan (Possible misconception in NB)

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This thread is not to outline how either one can defeat the other but to outline possible offensive and defensive strategies that the Byakugan can use against the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (I say Eternal because it would not be sensible to use Mangekyo Sharingan in situations that were not extreme).

Ok here goes :rag: (gl flaming a flame).


Alright

Tsukuyomi

Byakugan users do not need to look into the eyes of their opponent, as gentle fist as training demands that they focus on chakra points.

As Taijutsu masters they would only concentrate on the chakra points, especially the fatal blow target, the heart.

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Even if they do look into the eyes when Tsukuyomi is about to be cast the Byakugan user can tell as they would see the change in chakra flow, they then should look away from the eyes of the caster before they fall under Tsukuyomi.


Amaterasu

Heavenly rotation should repel amamterasu even if the flames consume the chakra expelled from the tech, it is the force of the chakra sphere formed form spinning that repels attacks.

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We can see here the ground below Hiashi Hyuga is crushed due to the force.

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Shuriken simply repelled.

Susanoo

As Susanoo is pure chakra given form, Byakugan can be used to spot weaknesses in chakra and attack those weakness with chakra expulsion.

An example of this was shown when Neji successfully located and utilised the weak point in Kisames water prison, something that shinobi should not be able to escape from without help.

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So yeah I don't think the Byakugan is weak at all.

They may not have perfect Susanoo but remember Madara's chakra is extremely powerful even by Uchiha standards, if someone with astonishingly powerful chakra came from the Hyuga they would destroy mountains also, in fact they would be more unbeatable than Madara.

They don't have much screen time and their tech do not summon gigantic figures or massive massive explosions that can engulf entire villages, but remember the characters that can do this are super powerful main characters


Tobi

Madara

Naruta

Nagato

Can do these things.

I think kishi took the Hyuga back for a while because the probably had too much potential so it was kind of like a retcon.

Anyway they are still very powerful as a clan, and can rival the Uchiha.
 

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lol byakugan is weak. People who had byakugan is ugly and Hyuuga weak people is even more ugly.

Sharingan hax ftw
 

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The Hyuga are the Taijutsu masters of Konoha and would dodge an attack such as this.

Also at that range the susanoo is in danger of it's weaker chakra points being rapidly exploited.
 

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This thread is not to outline how either one can defeat the other but to outline possible offensive and defensive strategies that the Byakugan can use against the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (I say Eternal because it would not be sensible to use Mangekyo Sharingan in situations that were not extreme).

Ok here goes :rag: (gl flaming a flame).


Alright

Tsukuyomi

Byakugan users do not need to look into the eyes of their opponent, as gentle fist as training demands that they focus on chakra points.

As Taijutsu masters they would only concentrate on the chakra points, especially the fatal blow target, the heart.

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Even if they do look into the eyes when Tsukuyomi is about to be cast the Byakugan user can tell as they would see the change in chakra flow, they then should look away from the eyes of the caster before they fall under Tsukuyomi.


Amaterasu

Heavenly rotation should repel amamterasu even if the flames consume the chakra expelled from the tech, it is the force of the chakra sphere formed form spinning that repels attacks.

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We can see here the ground below Hiashi Hyuga is crushed due to the force.

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Shuriken simply repelled.

Susanoo

As Susanoo is pure chakra given form, Byakugan can be used to spot weaknesses in chakra and attack those weakness with chakra expulsion.

An example of this was shown when Neji successfully located and utilised the weak point in Kisames water prison, something that shinobi should not be able to escape from without help.

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So yeah I don't think the Byakugan is weak at all.

They may not have perfect Susanoo but remember Madara's chakra is extremely powerful even by Uchiha standards, if someone with astonishingly powerful chakra came from the Hyuga they would destroy mountains also, in fact they would be more unbeatable than Madara.

They don't have much screen time and their tech do not summon gigantic figures or massive massive explosions that can engulf entire villages, but remember the characters that can do this are super powerful main characters


Tobi

Madara

Naruta

Nagato

Can do these things.

I think kishi took the Hyuga back for a while because the probably had too much potential so it was kind of like a retcon.

Anyway they are still very powerful as a clan, and can rival the Uchiha.

What compelled you to make this thread? This should be obvious to all but the most hardcore Neji fan.
 

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no it is not and i lol because everyone assumes kid abilities of the byakugan is the fullest extent.

Yes, Haishi defeated over 20 opponents in one move and did not seem exhausted by it at all.

He took also shinobi leader from another village in one blow.

They are in fact a very strong clan that has just gotten less attention as the story does not greatly concern them.
 

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Yes, Haishi defeated over 20 opponents in one move and did not seem exhausted by it at all.

He took also shinobi leader from another village in one blow.

They are in fact a very strong clan that has just gotten less attention as the story does not greatly concern them.

Which is why they are loooong overdue for a power boost or at least some more attention.
 

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The Hyuga are the Taijutsu masters of Konoha and would dodge an attack such as this.

Also at that range the susanoo is in danger of it's weaker chakra points being rapidly exploited.

Makes no differences a hyuuga could never beat a EMS user
 

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What compelled you to make this thread? This should be obvious to all but the most hardcore Neji fan.

Well basically a while a go I was doing some fact finding on kisame for a debate, then in doing so I was reminded that neji was able to find weakness in kisames chakra.

I just let that go because I did not think much of it.

Then today someone made a thread about the Hyuga and the Uchiha and they were kinda flamed so I thought I should construct this one to further support his theory as I shared it in the general sense.
 

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We've seen Shinra tensei could push Amaterasu away and we know Hyugas have the ability to repulse chakra from every part of their body, so actually i don't think it could be impossible for them to push Amaterasu away even if they are touch by the jutsu. You can use Byakugan even when you close your eye and actually see everything what's happening, so if they proceed that way, they have a chance to avoid genjutsus, but anyway even with all those precautions, the tough problem will be Susanoo, and i don't think they could do something against it, at least so far we know
 

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Makes no differences a hyuuga could never beat a EMS user

I think if you just tried to take into consideration how quickly they can kill someone you would agree with me.

They can kill in one blow.

They can destroy chakra form (susnaoo, water prison) using chakra expulsion to attack the weak points of that chakra form.

they can predict the nature and power of nin, gen and tai jutsu using the Byakugan insight.


Lol Bogard I forgot that they can close their eyes and still see.

As for susanoo yeah I thought so to but they seem to be able to attack the weak points in chakra that has been given shape, as neji did to kisame's water prison.
 
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Well basically a while a go I was doing some fact finding on kisame for a debate, then in doing so I was reminded that neji was able to find weakness in kisames chakra.

I just let that go because I did not think much of it.

Then today someone made a thread about the Hyuga and the Uchiha and they were kinda flamed so I thought I should construct this one to further support his theory as I shared it in the general sense.

Ok, I understand. The title just mislead me. But yeah, even though Sharingan has more advantages, Byakugan is definitely nothing to be messed with.
 

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Sharingan > Byakugan.
 

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The byakugan is seriously useless, but I'm still hoping Neji awakens another level of byakugan that matches the power of at least regular sharingan. :/
 

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Until i see Hiyashi hyuga going all out, i will say we haven't seen what byakugan can do in an expert's hand's.
 

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Tsukuyomi doesn't need eye contact... (?)

Yes it does. Remember when kakashi, asuma, and (sorry forgot her name. :( ) first fought itachi? Kakashi told the two to look away/close their eyes when kakashi figured out that itachi planed to use tsukuyomi. Plus, guy learned to fight opponents with sharingan by watching their feet, just for that reason. It's itachi's crow genjutsu that doesn't require eye contact, but physical contact (I'm not talking about izanami)
 

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Tsukuyomi doesn't need eye contact... (?)

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Sharingan > Byakugan.

1.Tsukyomi does need eye contact before it can possibly be cast.

2. I believe this may be incorrect, right now the Sharingan seems a lot flashier, it has new skills to go with the new arc ect, but in fact Sasuke could never have defeated Neji without sharingan evolutions.

With eye advancements like EMS and MS it is harder to tell who would win out of the Hyuga and the Uchiha (not including the rarest MS techs such as KA, which can only be used once a decade, or S/T Sharingan techs which are even rarer than the Double Mangekyo Sharingan).



The byakugan is seriously useless, but I'm still hoping Neji awakens another level of byakugan that matches the power of at least regular sharingan. :/

It really is not at all, it kills quickly and has one of the best defenses in NU.
 
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