Theory: Madara and Itachi

[The Necromancer]

My theory is that the "tobi" who met with itachi was really madara.

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Itachi claims that "tobi" was able to slip through the defenses and read the nakano tablet that contains the knowledge of the uchiha and the dojutsu.

This same tablet contains the knowledge of the sharingan and the rinnegan, and members with the rinnegan can read the full tablet, more than the EMS.

The tablet is also said to contain the knowledge of madara uchiha's body.

The only way the tablet could contain knowledge of madara's body is if he wrote it there personally. Madara claims that he awakened the rinnegan shortly before his death. And if he knew nagato, as he claimed, that would place his awakening of the rinnegan around the time of itachi's defection.

With his newly awakened rinnegan he would now be able to read the full tablet, which would give him a reason to journey back, because even with the EMS he could not read the full tablet. This would also allow him to write the nature of his body on the tablet. Also tobi has not referenced the fact that he knew about the tablet or the shrine, and besides referring to himself as madara, has not claimed to be born of the uchiha himself. He has always referred to himself in the third person, or said that he contained the power of the uchiha.

My last point is that i don't recall a single time tobi referenced the fact that he took part in the massacre with itachi. As itachi believed madara was tobi, he would naturally believe that the same tobi who led the akatsuki was the real madara uchiha also as with the mask they would look identical.

In summary, i believe that the "tobi" whom itachi met and trained with was the real madara uchiha and that itachi was unaware that this was the real madara, while the leader of the akatsuki was tobi.

Just my thought.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

I agree. Also, that "Tobi" stands and poses very similar to the way Madara does.

 

[The Necromancer]

And i didn't point out the hair thing.... but there's that too... even though i'll never post that as an argument.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

And i didn't point out the hair thing.... but there's that too... even though i'll never post that as an argument.

Lol I wouldn't either, but it's just an addition. It's sweet that the two best Uchiha's of their generation met each other(possibly)xd

 

[Legendary Broly]

hmmm interesting points rep+ I like how you mentioned Tobi only says he possess the power of the uchiha and also on a side note if that is madara then he would know itachi ?? yet he hasn't mentioned him yet :L

 

[The Necromancer]

hmmm interesting points rep+ I like how you mentioned Tobi only says he possess the power of the uchiha and also on a side note if that is madara then he would know itachi ?? yet he hasn't mentioned him yet :L

I mean... what would he mention? It was kind of a one time deal to get back at the uchiha. Danzo never talked about hanzo or nagato, but he dealt with hanzo and fought nagato.

 

[The Necromancer]

Also i feel like if itachi were to see tobi's full power pre-rinnegan, he would have known or thought he could defeat him, but seeing madara's full power would make him try to make a deal with him not to attack konoha or sasuke rather than just eliminating the problem from the start.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Looks like Madara has ended up to be more important to the plot than most of us thought. But, when do you think Madara died? Also, why was Tobi so startled when he saw Madara summoned by Kabuto?

 

[Aquaglow]

I would really like madara to see Sauke!

 

[uchiha3]

orochimaru and sasuke vs madara and Tobi

 

[The Necromancer]

Looks like Madara has ended up to be more important to the plot than most of us thought. But, when do you think Madara died? Also, why was Tobi so startled when he saw Madara summoned by Kabuto?

Not sure about either of those... even if the theory is right we're still right where we were on those points.

 

[Eddyt7]

good one

 

[The Necromancer]

good one

Thanks, man.

 

[The Darkness]

Madara had rinnegan before he died, at that's long long time ago. Didnt you notice that Itachi said Tobi so we should know that it was Tobi? Also, Tobi had the same hair when he manipulated Kisame, and same voice

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

Why Would Madara Hide in a Mask ??? ..ok you'll say that the Uchiha abandoned him , but still it's Freaking Uchiha Madara FFS :sy: , + The Hidden Shinobi has already made a theory on why there is only one Masked Man , and I find myself agreeing with everything that he said

 

[The Necromancer]

Madara had rinnegan before he died, at that's long long time ago. Didnt you notice that Itachi said Tobi so we should know that it was Tobi? Also, Tobi had the same hair when he manipulated Kisame, and same voice

For one thing madara has talked about nagato, meaning he was alive when nagato was alive, which was the same time as itachi was alive so shortly before his death would be around the time itachi killed the uchiha. Secondly itachi believed truly that tobi was madara, so there's no reason for us not to believe that the tobi he met with was madara. We as readers still don't know if tobi is somehow madara, let alone if madara was the one to meet with itachi. Itachi also told sasuke that madara helped him kill the uchiha, not tobi. And lastly the hair is a dumb point i don't consider but it's the same hair madara has, while the voice is strictly anime, while we haven't heard madara's voice yet.

I am however very interested to see if tobi's and madara's voices in the anime will be similar or the same.

@sasuke the viper. Can you post that theory? I haven't read it. Thanks.

 

[rollin]

but what about the short-haired tobi wearing the same mask when he attacked the village and minato stopped him when itachi was a little kid

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[The Darkness]

For one thing madara has talked about nagato, meaning he was alive when nagato was alive, which was the same time as itachi was alive so shortly before his death would be around the time itachi killed the uchiha. Secondly itachi believed truly that tobi was madara, so there's no reason for us not to believe that the tobi he met with was madara. We as readers still don't know if tobi is somehow madara, let alone if madara was the one to meet with itachi. Itachi also told sasuke that madara helped him kill the uchiha, not tobi. And lastly the hair is a dumb point i don't consider but it's the same hair madara has, while the voice is strictly anime, while we haven't heard madara's voice yet.

I am however very interested to see if tobi's and madara's voices in the anime will be similar or the same.

@sasuke the viper. Can you post that theory? I haven't read it. Thanks.

Lol, the reason why Madara knows about Nagato is clearly because he used rinne tensei; something that dead people obviously can notice. Itachi said Madara like Tobi, that's back when Tobi was consider Madara.

If you want to hear Madara's voice, go to Itachi and Sasuke's fight and then you get a flashback where Madara takes izuna's eyes and say sorry. He have really dark voice, darker than Tobi.

Tobi who meet Kisame = Tobi
Tobi who meet Itachi = Tobi, why should Tobi take the same mask? Madara died with rinnegan, not sharingan

End of story

 

[The Necromancer]

Lol, the reason why Madara knows about Nagato is clearly because he used rinne tensei; something that dead people obviously can notice. Itachi said Madara like Tobi, that's back when Tobi was consider Madara.

If you want to hear Madara's voice, go to Itachi and Sasuke's fight and then you get a flashback where Madara takes izuna's eyes and say sorry. He have really dark voice, darker than Tobi.

Tobi who meet Kisame = Tobi
Tobi who meet Itachi = Tobi, why should Tobi take the same mask? Madara died with rinnegan, not sharingan

End of story

I forgot about the flashback so you cleared that up. But i'm not sure what you're talking about with the rinne tensei part. And madara died with the rinnegan.... so... what? If he had just awakened the rinnegan then he would need to go back to the shrine to read the tablet again and inscribe about his body. I think that's when itachi found him and tracked him down. And the reason to wear masks is so they could possibly work as if in two places at the same time. Madara knows about the moon's eye plan so he clearly knows tobi and is working with him, so making one leader who is a symbol rather than a single man is more effective than leading with multiple people. It's easier to say that the man with the mask is madara, that way either of them can call the shots.

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

@sasuke the viper. Can you post that theory? I haven't read it. Thanks.

here is the theory ..I'll put it in a spoiler because it's too long

Spoiler

There’s been this thing spreading round base that long haired tobi and short haired tobi must be different people because of events and height issues but let me tell you now, the mask men have always been the same people. I know this because I realised the differences such as height and events about last year, but every time I make a theory I try and prove my theory wrong and see if it can hold.


What people need to remember is that the first time we ever see Tobi he has short hair and this was the Kyuubi incident. Itachi was 5/6 when this happened (I have done all the calculations to work out age).


Theory: Sometime after the kyuubi incident maybe the same year Tobi went to the village hidden in the mist to whatever deeds needed to be done there. For whatever reason he let his hair grow maybe he was to busy controlling the mizukage maybe he wanted a new identity who knows why read on.


When Tobi revealed himself to Kisiame this is years after the Kyuubi incident it is around when Itachi was 13. So the Tobi having long hair at this point is possible because this is 8 years after the kyuubi incident.


The reason itachi looked so short compared to this long haired Tobi is because Itachi is only 13(makes sense now don’t it), the itachi we see today is 21/22. So the itachi here is probably like sasuke’s height when sasuke was 13 which is why Tobi with long hair looks so much taller than him.


Theory: Tobi has been controlling the mizukage for years now people may have been on to him because of this he needed a new identity so he changed his mask, his hairand also his voice. Now you may think this is stupid and how the hell would anyone fall for this, but what you have to remember is:


1) This is a Manga 2) Loads of ninja’s wear masks (haku, anbu..) and 3) it worked! Kisame thought tobi was a new member of akustki and itachi thought this as well. That is why Tobi had to re-reveal himself to kisame again because his disguised had paid off people didn’t know he was the mask man from the past.


Now everything I just said is enough to prove he is the same mask man but I will give you one more reason which I could of used to prove he was the same masked man single handily but I like to make long threads that go into full detail to create good reads. Anyway the last reason is that the voice used of serious short haired Tobi and long haired Tobi is the same. (" How could I ever think they were different people" is what your thinking now isn't it)


This also could of been used to prove that Tobi was not Madara a long time ago because in the NUNS: Generations video they took away madara’s voice, why? Because his real voice has not been revealed yet and will be revealed in the anime shortly. This is why all the other characters voices was there and done by the voice actors but Madara’s ws not.