Hiruzen vs Hashirama (the truth about it)

[Amaterasuice]

I'm getting tired of people saying Hashi this, Hiruzen that.

WE KNOW LITTLE ABOUT EITHER OF THEIR SKILLS! IT'S LIKE COMPARING FUGAKU UCHIHA VS HIZASHI HYUUGA! WE KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THEM!

Another thing, until it's completely proven, we don't know who is stronger than the other. So as of now, Hiruzen=Hashirama.

Quit fanboying these two and stop being an idiot and arguing about people we barely know anything about.

Edit:

Hiruzen did not fight both of the kages full power in his old prime. SO Hiruzen doesn't >Both kages.

That being said however, Hashirama was in his prime vs Ninetales. Hiruzen was like late 50s-60s.

Those are the years when you're body isn't as strong as it used to be. So Hiruzen wasn't as strong as he used to be.

That's why's this is so stupid to discuss, these are two ninja that have so many misleading comments that you shouldn't take it so seriously.

 

[LegendaryAce]

ur stepping on thin ice there..alot of us have tried this before wont work

 

[Red Swag]

hiruzen = god of shinobi (which godly char he beat?)

hashirama = fairytale / beat madara

thus; hashirama>hiruzen for now.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Madara tells me other wise, it is obvious hashi and madara are on another scale to other shinobi if you want to think their not be my guest.

Can't hiruzen fans realise his titles come from fodders who over exaggerate and don't even no what their talking about "god of shinobi" that would mean even edo madara is no match for hiruzen as he is only a fragment of so6p powers a real god of shinobi. Why can't hiruzen fans realise this is false??

 

[Dreckerplayer]

dude thank you so much for posting this sh*t, it needed to be said

 

[Midday]

hiruzen = god of shinobi (which godly char he beat?)

hashirama = fairytale / beat madara

thus; hashirama>hiruzen for now.

I don't like that logic. Hiruzen already beat Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru at the same time. It's also been stated a few times Orochimaru perfected edo tensei, before anyone says that they were weak.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

ur stepping on thin ice there..alot of us have tried this before wont work

get em.

 

[Namu]

dude thank you so much for posting this sh*t, it needed to be said

@^

It gets said several times nearly everyday. xD

As far as I'm concerned the top tier 3 are as follows:

1.) SO6P
2.) Hashirama Senju
3.) Madara Uchiha

And then the rest is heard nearly every day by fanboys.

 

[Hipster Madara]

This is going to end well....

 

[Red Swag]

I don't like that logic. Hiruzen already beat Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru at the same time. It's also been stated a few times Orochimaru perfected edo tensei, before anyone says that they were weak.

thats during the very 1st parts of naruto. kishi probably hasn't thought about the powers we're seeing now. think about it. madara keeps saying that hashi is the only one that can beat him even when madara has all that power now.

and which shinobis gave the title god to hiruzen anyway? orochimaru? some fodder ninjas maybe? iruka? geez.

the strongest char weve seen so far, madara keeps saying that hashi is the most powerful.

what powers does hiruzen have anyway to make him god. the monkey? the sealing that wasnt his? idk. i just dont see him that powerful. plus hashi has that super blood, senju. only senju and uchiha are op bro

 

[lesley]

madara has already said that the only person that can fight on par with him one on one is hashi

and madara is obviously on another level on his own..
unless you believe that hiruzen can take madara on


we know that we know little about them, but the manga has told us a lot about hashi
hiruzen found it hard to battle the nine tails alone, but hashi captured all the tailed beasts and fought MADARA ALONG WITH THER NINE TAILS ALONE there's nothing to compare unless the manga tells us something legendary about hiruzen.
i admit that hiruzen woulda been very strong to be hokage, but hashi was legendary

the thing i don't like that a lot of fanboys do is "hiruzen in his prime that really pisses me of cause you debate a thread about assumption and the manga never said anything about his prime besides don't people grow stronger as the grow older?
oonoki now and when he was younger, who do you believe is stronger, even with his back pain, he's an ass whooper + loads of experience
same with danzo
so why not hiruzen?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I don't like that logic. Hiruzen already beat Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru at the same time. It's also been stated a few times Orochimaru perfected edo tensei, before anyone says that they were weak.

Orochimaru did not know the full capabilities of hashi and tobirama, a best edo is an edo left in control of his body like edo madara this is why kabuto said I can finally see a fragment of the so6p power. He is saying this because he didn't know what madara was capable of and he is now getting a chance to see it.

Hiruzen did not beat oro hashi and tobirama he realised that their was no possible way to beat them and the only thing left to do is to use RDS to save the village. He managed to get hashi and tobirama (of course he did they were mindless killing machines. But he didn't manage to fully get oro because oro stabbed a sword through his chest.

Hiruzen realised even against mindless zombies of hashi and tobirama there was no way he could win. He had to use RDS it was the only way to protect the village.

 

[lesley]

I don't like that logic. Hiruzen already beat Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru at the same time. It's also been stated a few times Orochimaru perfected edo tensei, before anyone says that they were weak.

do you actually believe hashi and tobimaru were fighting at full power?

 

[Midday]

thats during the very 1st parts of naruto. kishi probably hasn't thought about the powers we're seeing now. think about it. madara keeps saying that hashi is the only one that can beat him even when madara has all that power now.

and which shinobis gave the title god to hiruzen anyway? orochimaru? some fodder ninjas maybe? iruka? geez.

the strongest char weve seen so far, madara keeps saying that hashi is the most powerful.

what powers does hiruzen have anyway to make him god. the monkey? the sealing that wasnt his? idk. i just dont see him that powerful. plus hashi has that super blood, senju. only senju and uchiha are op bro

The bold part is right. If that fight was now it would be a lot more impressive like the fights are now as the manga is more developed but the result still would have been the same.

As for Madara. Madara doesn't even know what the current strongest are capable of, he most likely only knows his era. Hashirama knows how to defeat Madara as they've fought several times and Hashirama won the last fight, that's why Madara mentioned Hashirama's able to beat him.

Also Hiruzen has been called the strongest by several people and it's mentioned in the databook. I don't think it needs to be questioned so much just because Hashirama is powerful. The 3rd Kazkage is accepted as the strongest kazekage and that's been stated in the manga, it's similar here.

Orochimaru did not know the full capabilities of hashi and tobirama, a best edo is an edo left in control of his body like edo madara this is why kabuto said I can finally see a fragment of the so6p power. He is saying this because he didn't know what madara was capable of and he is now getting a chance to see it.

Hiruzen did not beat oro hashi and tobirama he realised that their was no possible way to beat them and the only thing left to do is to use RDS to save the village. He managed to get hashi and tobirama (of course he did they were mindless killing machines. But he didn't manage to fully get oro because oro stabbed a sword through his chest.

Hiruzen realised even against mindless zombies of hashi and tobirama there was no way he could win. He had to use RDS it was the only way to protect the village.

Orochimaru was aware of what Hashirama's capable of, he's studied him and tried to replicate his powers(Danzo and Yamato). He may not be fully aware of what they can do but that doesn't make him completely useless using them, even if they weren't 100% it was still 3 vs 1. It's obvious who won that fight i'm not going to bother.

 

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[Red Swag]

As for Madara. Madara doesn't even know what the current strongest are capable of, he most likely only knows his era. Hashirama knows how to defeat Madara as they've fought several times and Hashirama won the last fight, that's why Madara mentioned Hashirama's able to beat him.

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yea ryt. madara toys with the best of this era. his era was beast. nothing compared to this generation. only naruto is at the same level.

 

[juankimari]

Madara tells me other wise, it is obvious hashi and madara are on another scale to other shinobi if you want to think their not be my guest.

Can't hiruzen fans realise his titles come from fodders who over exaggerate and don't even no what their talking about "god of shinobi" that would mean even edo madara is no match for hiruzen as he is only a fragment of so6p powers a real god of shinobi. Why can't hiruzen fans realise this is false??

Well said, it is so obvious at this point that Hashi and Madara were on a whole different level from everyone other than SO6P and his sons.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

I don't like that logic. Hiruzen already beat Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru at the same time. It's also been stated a few times Orochimaru perfected edo tensei, before anyone says that they were weak.

Orochimaru did not perfect edo tensie, are you crazy!? tobi and hashi were no restored to full strength.


know your facts, and shun the lies.

 

[Midday]

Orochimaru did not perfect edo tensie, are you crazy!? tobi and hashi were no restored to full strength.


know your facts, and shun the lies.

Take your own advice. Bottom right Kabuto clearly said it's perfected by Orochimaru. :|

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