Hashirama is the strongest hokage THAT INCLUDES SARUTOBI

[Champ]

Ofcourse he is

 

[kakashi owns all]

databook/ wiki (same for this quote)

"Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi in his prime and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had."

 

[Ressurected Crow]

Then...Doesn't that still keep in regard, Hashirama being inferior to Hiruzen..? >.> He died before Hiruzen, and before part 1, after all. There are still a few data books on a few of the Shippuden characters, as far as my knowledge extends. Due to them still rating abilities afterward for the main characters, and main supporting characters. (Example: Shikamaru, Ino, Choji, Rock Lee, etc.). After that, as far as I know, every thing else is practically speculation.

 

[New Era]

databook/ wiki (same for this quote)

"Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi in his prime and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had."

that's the data book and info on that actually gets wrong later on but looks right when it is first established.
some of the info but it doesn't say he is definately the strongest it just said basically that he can be considered the strongest kage.

a whole village can say the third hokage is the strogest but they don't even know about hashirama who seems as if he is a myth with madara.

 

[Traffy]

no u cheap fu**er

Well you're making a terrible mistake, and no thread is gonna end this debate and seeing as how in the databooks it says that Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Hokage I think I'll stick to that until Kishi says otherwise.

 

[3T3RNaL]

databook/ wiki (same for this quote)

"Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi in his prime and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had."

databook is out dated right now

 

[yuan of cruxis]

that's the data book and info on that actually gets wrong later on but looks right when it is first established.
some of the info but it doesn't say he is definately the strongest it just said basically that he can be considered the strongest kage.

a whole village can say the third hokage is the strogest but they don't even know about hashirama who seems as if he is a myth with madara.

Its always been that way sense Hiruzens death

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Old Hiruzen beat Hashirama and his brother Tobirama

End thread
Im tired of hearing Hashirama fanboys deny the manga

 

[kakashi owns all]

Then...Doesn't that still keep in regard, Hashirama being inferior to Hiruzen..? >.> He died before Hiruzen, and before part 1, after all. There are still a few data books on a few of the Shippuden characters, as far as my knowledge extends. Due to them still rating abilities afterward for the main characters, and main supporting characters. (Example: Shikamaru, Ino, Choji, Rock Lee, etc.). After that, as far as I know, every thing else is practically speculation.

yes anything part one is fine

that's the data book and info on that actually gets wrong later on but looks right when it is first established.
some of the info but it doesn't say he is definately the strongest it just said basically that he can be considered the strongest kage.

a whole village can say the third hokage is the strogest but they don't even know about hashirama who seems as if he is a myth with madara.

you vs Masashi Kishimoto i wonder who know more about the manga

databook is out dated right now

nothing part one is outdated Masashi Kishimoto wrote the words that means there true

 

[Ressurected Crow]

I've got nothing really left to post on here. Opinions are; opinions. Explaining your's is natural, forcing them on another is just ignorant.

 

[Traffy]

that's the data book and info on that actually gets wrong later on but looks right when it is first established.
some of the info but it doesn't say he is definately the strongest it just said basically that he can be considered the strongest kage.

a whole village can say the third hokage is the strogest but they don't even know about hashirama who seems as if he is a myth with madara.

His face is on the side of the mountain how do they not know about him?

 

[kakashi owns all]

you guys need to under stand something according to Masashi Kishimoto words about the 3rd hokage

the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.
the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had.

 

[New Era]

yes anything part one is fine

you vs Masashi Kishimoto i wonder who know more about the manga

nothing part one is outdated Masashi Kishimoto wrote the words that means there true

if hiruzen was really that strong why can hashirama be the only hokage to beat madara if hiruzen is the strongest.
it is actually in the manga not the data book that hashirama is the only one with a chance of beating him.

His face is on the side of the mountain how do they not know about him?

the abilities that he possess and his strength they regard it as a myth.

 

[kakashi owns all]

if hiruzen was really that strong why can hashirama be the only hokage to beat madara if hiruzen is the strongest.
it is actually in the manga not the data book that hashirama is the only one with a chance of beating him.


the abilities that he possess and his strength they regard it as a myth.

how would madara know of him? he was a kid when he was alive

 

[Traffy]

if hiruzen was really that strong why can hashirama be the only hokage to beat madara if hiruzen is the strongest.
it is actually in the manga not the data book that hashirama is the only one with a chance of beating him.


the abilities that he possess and his strength they regard it as a myth.

They also regard Hiruzen as a God of Shinobi so that technically makes him the god of Hashirama. I'll take a god over a myth and this will always be my opinion until Kishi says otherwise which is possible but as of now, Hiruzen > Hashirama

 

[lol99]

this has been discussed 1000 times and frankly only one person made some sense to me U_U

I will singly handedly end this thread. Now hiruzen fans read and stop replying I am sick of you all


Hiruzen is not as strong as they say he is
Note: This is not a thread about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is. So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.

Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.

I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused by hiruzen fans saying haha you can’t argue with what kishi says.

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Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.

Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol

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Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")

Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")

Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")

However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book very carefully and it said he was called all these things and it was never stated by kishi himself that he was.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look yourself)

Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look yourself hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The fodderest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.

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All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi himself as well as oro and kabuto said all these things always used this against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this util I proved them wrong.

All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:

Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.

Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice mindless hashi couldn’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)

Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.

It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely

Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.

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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t literally god of shinobi it was just a title given to him by people who admired him.

You know why they can’t reply because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had. Before madara was summoned my muu they probably would of made the argument that hiruzen is up to his level so I am so happy kishi has shown them what these landscape changing abilities can be like because now all they can do is be silent.

Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi is not making madara say all these things for no reason.

Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.

Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.

 

[startup97]

Sarutobi wins with high difficulty!

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

prime hiruzen wins because he would spam clones and diamond cage has proven to stop mokuton. theres so many jutsus we know he has but he didnt get to show with his aged chakra levels.