Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far

[yuan of cruxis]

Konan called Pain unbeatable. I guess by your logic if my friend called me a millionaire I am.

Madara also said the current Kages arent like Hashirama:shrug:

Same goes for that opinion^

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Good I said you wont to force you to answer, and well if you don't think so that means you are going against what he was called? so obviously what he was called doesn't mean he is, do you see my point now?



So he is stronger then edo madara who is only a fragment of the so6p power?

Don we know this?
No we dont
But hes stronger than Hashirama

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Don we know this?
No we dont
But hes stronger than Hashirama

But he was called god of shinobi like the so6p right. so how come we don't know if he is stronger then edo madara but he is stronger then hashi based of the same title???

 

[narutownsyouall]

Are you tell me what we saw from hashi when oro was controlling him in part 1 is anywhere near what he can do:sy::sy::sy: and you are telling me iruka was stating kishi's mind of the **** do you know when tenten said neji is the strongest genin and he can't be beat yet he was beat. You can't just decide from characters what kishi's thinks. The anbu that knew about hashi that was watching the fight said hashi was called the strongest so stfu

Have you seen Hashirama fight outside of that fight? No you have not so you have nothing to compare it too.

Obviously tenten stated that as a part of plot. Nobody knew Naruto's abilities at that time or else she would have sang a different tune.

Madara has been hyping Hashirama this whole time. And why? Because Kishi is trying to hype him up before he is shown. Hiruzen has been hyped and has yet to be shown.

Even Databook says it.

Where did the Anbu say that?

 

[GreenV]

Oh no not this kind of thread again :sy:

There's no such thing as "the strongest".

 

[heymrkevq]

Childish kids shouldnt post here, so why did you post?U_U

Cuz I'm an adult wit appreciation for anime such as naruto!! I didn't mean to sound like a d*** but u kinda had that coming for this sort of thread!

Look kid..to be a fan of something..u gotta know every details of the story..have some common sense..use logic..and know the limit of ur character abilities!! U have to accpet concepts!

I'm sure hiruzen was badass in his prime..but surely he cannot be the strongest hokage of all time!! I'm pretty certain u heard of a guy name hashirama right??? He the guy that beat madara...and madara is a beast!! So if this is the case...how can hiruzen be the strongest hokage of all time?

 

[yuan of cruxis]

But he was called god of shinobi like the so6p right. so how come we don't know if he is stronger then edo madara but he is stronger then hashi based of the same title???

Base off the title? No
But since it was stated and proven in battle while fighting against him and his brother yes

 

[KingHashirama]

Exactly so it cannot be used. where as madara has said hashi IS and hashi CAN DO and hashi IS THE ONLY ONE and Hashi LANDSCAPE CHANGING ABILITIES you see how that is different from was called we can just look at madara and tell him and hashi where on a different league to other shinobi.

i know hashirama is on a different level. But if we talk about the "REAL" madara not the "EDO" then i have to say he is in the same league as Sarutobi. Rinnegan madara slightly above Sarutobi, EDO MADARA on hashirama's level

And i just wanted to tell you when they made a reference about what people tought of hashirama it was always in past tense just like Sarutobis. thats all

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Cuz I'm an adult wit appreciation for anime such as naruto!! I didn't mean to sound like a d*** but u kinda had that coming for this sort of thread!

Look kid..to be a fan of something..u gotta know every details of the story..have some common sense..use logic..and know the limit of ur character abilities!! U have to accpet concepts!

I'm sure hiruzen was badass in his prime..but surely he cannot be the strongest hokage of all time!! I'm pretty certain u heard of a guy name hashirama right??? He the guy that beat madara...and madara is a beast!! So if this is the case...how can hiruzen be the strongest hokage of all time?

The databooks and manga strictly say that Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage and current kage of his time

Hashirama was called strongest of his era

There ya go
Look it up man

 

[DeViliShChild]

Good I said you wont to force you to answer, and well if you don't think so that means you are going against what he was called? so obviously what he was called doesn't mean he is, do you see my point now?



So he is stronger then edo madara who is only a fragment of the so6p power?

If you read my post i said that your conclusion was off and i did not agree. So your logical follow doesn't have any ground

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

If you read my post i said that your conclusion was off and i did not agree. So your logical follow doesn't have any ground

But he was called god of shinobi wasn't he so that means it has to be true?

 

[6 Paths of Pain]

Hiruzen old and weak a'f compared to hashi /thread cleave

 

[DeViliShChild]

But he was called god of shinobi wasn't he so that means it has to be true?

Yes it is. But can't Madara be one as well?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Yes it is. But can't Madara be one as well?

No because madara is a fragment of the so6p power and the so6p was called god of shinobi so if this is true hiruzen and the so6p are on the same level.

Anyway coming off for today

 

[heymrkevq]

The databooks and manga strictly say that Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage and current kage of his time

Hashirama was called strongest of his era

There ya go
Look it up man

But hiruzen and hashirama are not that far apart in age

 

[Waltz]

No, just no.

 

[Netsui]

But hiruzen and hashirama are not that far apart in age

o.o But Hashirama taught Hiruzen, did he not? So there had to be a pretty good age difference.

 

[Lordlloyd7]

Hiruzen is not as strong as fan boys say he is "god of shinobi" yh right so he's on the sage of six paths level yh? rinnegan madara can't even stop him yh?

Note: This is not a post about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is. So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.

Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.

About a few weeks ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused by hiruzen fans saying haha you can’t argue with what kishi says.

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Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.

Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol

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Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")

Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")

Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")

However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book very carefully and it said he was called all these things and it was never stated by kishi himself that he was.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look yourself)

Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look yourself hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The fodderest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.

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All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi himself as well as oro and kabuto said all these things always used this against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this util I proved them wrong.

All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:

Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.

Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice mindless hashi couldn’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)

Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.

It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely

Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.

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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t literally god of shinobi it was just a title given to him by people who admired him.

You know why they can’t reply because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had. Before madara was summoned my muu they probably would of made the argument that hiruzen is up to his level so I am so happy kishi has shown them what these landscape changing abilities can be like because now all they can do is be silent.

Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi is not making madara say all these things for no reason.

Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.

Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.

Best thing i ever read!

 

[yuan of cruxis]

No because madara is a fragment of the so6p power and the so6p was called god of shinobi so if this is true hiruzen and the so6p are on the same level.

Anyway coming off for today

:flaw: Sage of the six paths was not called God of shinobi, he wasnt even a shinobi

 

[DeViliShChild]

No because madara is a fragment of the so6p power and the so6p was called god of shinobi so if this is true hiruzen and the so6p are on the same level.

Anyway coming off for today

Please show me where it says so6p was called god of shinobi tommrow