Tank you someone else who sees the truth.
Everyone else who disagrees are just in denial about Tsunade being the strongest, they just don't want to admit that a woman is tronger than a man, how typical.
Tsunade is Now the Strongest Sannin
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Everyone else who disagrees are just in denial about Tsunade being the strongest, they just don't want to admit that a woman is tronger than a man, how typical.
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Tsunade is not the strongest Sannin they are all of equal strength and can all kill each other. Each one is suited for different situations however. What could Jiraiya have done against Shinra Tensei? What would Oro or Jman be doing against Madara?
I do want to clear up the misconception though that Tsunade cannot beat the other two sannin in a fight.
For Oro the fact that Edo Tensei control isn't instant would be to his detriment against a taijutsu specialist because he wouldn't be given time to insert the control tag in his Edos. And Against Tsunade, I'm fairly sure her grandfather without a tag and her granduncle without a tag would be far more likely to come to her aid than his. And to say that Oro can tank Tsunade's punches is a stretch. He took one punch and left the fight after. I will grant you the fact that his arms were sealed, but Tsunade took out his perfectly healthy summon in one move, and her one punch was strong enough to force a retreat from Orochimaru.
Jiraiya Sage Mode would most likely beat Tsunade the great majority of the time, but the problem again is prep time for Jiraiya. He simply won't have time in a taijutsu battle against a specialist.
For those that argue Jiraiya's Pein feat makes him stronger than all the other sannin
You can't really use your Tsunade getting blitzed by Asura path as actual example of how she would fair in battle because she started by summoning katsuyu out of battle which Jiraiya has shown requires a lot of chakra. Then she healed nearly every villager present twice. Considering Konohagakure is one of the largest villages in the shinobi world this task would be impossible for most people but she did it and tanked a Shinra Tensei FP without healing. So having no chakra effectively is a death sentance, as half of chakra is physical energy. So if Tsunade doesn't have any chakra she probably doesn't have any physical energy left to fight. So it really doesn't accurately capture how an actual battle would take place. I'm not saying she's stronger than Pein by any stretch of the imagination. What I am saying is that Tsunade can do as well as Jiraiya.
Yes Tsunade is a taijutsu specialist but that doesn't mean ninjutsu or genjutsu is the only way to win. Winning with taijutsu requires extra effort sure, but certainly possible.
Oonoki, Gaara, and Mei all needed to be healed and needed their chakra replenished.
So firstly how would Jiraiya have gotten to the battlefield?
Then with Gaara and Oonoki on the brink of death who would have stalled for time to prepare sage mode? What Could Oro have possibly done to help the situation?
Mei would either be dead or still fighting white Zetsu.
Gaara and Oonoki would be pretty easily killed.
A is not capable of stalling long enough for Jiraiya. Nor would he provide good support for Oro
Jiraiya dies or Oro dies in her place.
So firstly how would Jiraiya have gotten to the battlefield?
Then with Gaara and Oonoki on the brink of death who would have stalled for time to prepare sage mode? What Could Oro have possibly done to help the situation?
Mei would either be dead or still fighting white Zetsu.
Gaara and Oonoki would be pretty easily killed.
A is not capable of stalling long enough for Jiraiya. Nor would he provide good support for Oro
Jiraiya dies or Oro dies in her place.
- Attack Prevention Technique: is pointless if Tsunade goes ahead and punches the surface Orochimaru has blended into
- Binding Snake Glare Spell: Her natural strength was great enough to lift Gamabunta's sword, so ripping snakes shouldn't cause too much problems.
- Body Flame Technique- Too slow and where would he go?
- Body Shedding- Actually this is very useful. Orochimaru's body was healthy when Tsunade punched him before but he could not shed his skin because of his arms. So he had to quit the fight. Now he can afford being hit by Tsunade but apparently this jutsu takes a lot of chakra.
- Five Elements Seal- Would require she had an even numbered seal on to be effective.
- Formation of Ten Thousand Snakes- Problematic however this technique can be cancelled out by heavenly foot of Pain if acted upon immediately.
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- Gathering of Snakes isn't useful because of the nature of Tsunade's attacks in combination with Orochimaru's soft physique technique. So she won't cut his body.
- Hidden Shadow snake hands would work against Orochimaru if he tries to grab Tsunade with it as there'd only be a repeat like when he tried to grab her with his tongue. If he tries to poison her, her liver will regenerate and render the poison moot. Or she could use the antidote she has in her tools, which she'd probably have anyway because she worked with Oro for so long.
- Living Corpse Reincarnation: He's not going to use this in the heat of battle but if he does Tsunade has the mental fortitude to attack while impaled, to attack with stomach and respiratory muscles cut, and to overcome a phobia in addition to her precise chakra control I see her breaking free. The obvious counter to this argument is Orochimaru has a 5 in genjutsu and she only has a 3. This is true but she also has better chakra control. It was stated that healing jutus require a lot of chakra and she managed to heal a whole village, while keeping up her transformation technique, and she had summoned Katsuyu which as we've seen with Jiraiya and Naruto large summons take considerable chakra. In the war she has healed her stomach twice (Susanoo Sword and 3 Yasaka Magatamas) and used creation rebirth to heal the wounds from the heavenly transfer technique, in addition to healing the other kages, and breaking through Susanoo and Madara's mokuton clone. Additionally it was also stated that Medical jutsu requires precise chakra control because if the chakra is not controlled effectively the patient can be killed or the justu is ineffective and Tsunade is hailed as the greatest living medic.
- Summoning Gate and Triple Summoning Gate Rashomon: Kiba and Akamaru put a dent in the single gate in Part I. Tsunade breaks through it.
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- Sword of Kusanagi: Longsword of the Sky- Tsunade needs only grab the sword. As long as it doesn't decapitate her she'll survive if she can regrow vital organs in her abdomen then she should be able to regrow limbs and digits.
- Temporary Paralysis Technique- Iirc Genin Sasuke and Sakura overcame this technique.
- Wind Release: Great Breakthrough -If Tsunade is using her chakra to stay on the ground like she did when Pein attacked the village (she was using it to counter shinra tensei) then I see her receiving injuries similar to the heavenly transfer technique which she'd heal.
- Eight Branches is nothing but very large taijutsu. Tsunade would only need to punch the heads as they attack and heal the damage recieved with byakougou.
- Then there is Manda and Katsuya. Katsuya would prove useful against the 8 branches technique. Manda also had no jutsus he could bite and coil. For that reason he'd be defeated as well.
- Body Pathway Derangement could be countered by perhaps a raiton cloak which Oro does not have and his taijutsu and stamina is less than Tsunade's so he could get caught by that.
- She can fight similar to Kabuto evidenced by
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- Against her strength he would need to shed his body.
- Against Katsuya's acid he would have to shed.
- The edos might cause a problem but we know Tsunade has a form of fuinjutsu as per her seal on her forehead. Apparently she's good enough at fuinjutsu to have two different techniques in one fuinjutsu. And Body Pathway Derangement would pose problems for Edos too. Given the fact that she is the oldest living Uzumaki we know with actual connections to members of her clan she probably has other sealing jutsus. But the edos do pose an interesting problem. Though she may be able to remove the talisman Oro used to control them when blow to their heads. At which point they'd help her. And Oro would need time to summon the caskets as we remember they don't just poof into existence and when they arrive they don't arrive automatically under his control. Which means if they resist before he sticks them with the controlling tag he's screwed (which has been shown to be possible thanks to Itachi, Sasori, etc.).
At max power Tsunade would defeat Oro more times than he would defeat her
At max power Jiraiya would defeat Tsunade more times than she would defeat him
At max power Orochimaru would defeat Jiraiya more times than Jiraiya would defeat Oro
However, achieving max power is the problem is a Jiraiya v Tsunade fight.
Tsunade is a taijutsu specialist which means she must stay close to her opponent. According to the databook Tsunade is better at Jiraiya in taijutsu so he won't be beating her senseless in combat then preparing sage mode. In CQC he's going to be dodging for his life. A smoke bomb would only be helpful in a closed in area. When Tsunade fought Oro while carrying Gamabunta's sword she had jumped higher than Gamabunta's height which means she can see if she jumps out of range of the smoke bomb. When the issue becomes finding time to get into Sage Mode in a taijutsu fight Jiraiya will lose more times than he will win. Given Tsunade's treatment of the Susanoo clone and the given knowledge of her strength I'm sure she could kill Jiraiya's large summons.
At max power Jiraiya would defeat Tsunade more times than she would defeat him
At max power Orochimaru would defeat Jiraiya more times than Jiraiya would defeat Oro
However, achieving max power is the problem is a Jiraiya v Tsunade fight.
Tsunade is a taijutsu specialist which means she must stay close to her opponent. According to the databook Tsunade is better at Jiraiya in taijutsu so he won't be beating her senseless in combat then preparing sage mode. In CQC he's going to be dodging for his life. A smoke bomb would only be helpful in a closed in area. When Tsunade fought Oro while carrying Gamabunta's sword she had jumped higher than Gamabunta's height which means she can see if she jumps out of range of the smoke bomb. When the issue becomes finding time to get into Sage Mode in a taijutsu fight Jiraiya will lose more times than he will win. Given Tsunade's treatment of the Susanoo clone and the given knowledge of her strength I'm sure she could kill Jiraiya's large summons.
For those that argue Jiraiya's Pein feat makes him stronger than all the other sannin
Firstly A>B>C logic doesn't work in Naruto
So you're Pein reference is skewed. But to answer your question I do think Orochimaru could have lasted equally as long. All of the sannin could. They all have the same net amount power.If Human path tried to blitz Tsunade like it did Jiraiya, where Jiraiya blinded the path Tsunade's strike would have meant death. Against Animal path Katsuyu could probably last a while as hitting Katsuyu doesn't particularly accomplish anything, nor does cutting her. Against the dog, the acid would continually burn the dog something that wouldn't trigger the dog to multiply. In addition with Tsunade's medical ninjutsu she could immobolize the dog without directly hitting with her brute strength, so that it doesn't multiply. Preta path is useless against Tsunade as her natural raw strength is legendary and said to be far greater than Sakura's enhanced strength. With her natural strength we have seen her lift Gamabunta's sword, maneuver the sword, and put it down with perfect accuracy. People will say Asura path blitzed Tsunade. This is true but considering Tsunade has used all of her chakra healing the village the point is meaningless it's like beating sick man on his death bed. With Tsunade not having exhausted her entire reserves then a heavenly kick of pain would destroy Asura path. The missiles from Asura path were slow enough to allow Choji a chance to run from them. So what then stops Tsunade from avoiding them? Against Naraka path it turns into a taijutsu battle which Tsunade would win and his killing tech involves grabbing people by their throat which would not be to successful against Tsunade. Against Deva path Bansho Tennin would pull her in assuming Tsunade had no knowledge and thus hadn't thought of the counter as she did in the manga, then her strength would only be amplified as the tech increases the speed in which she arrives and it increases her mass because in order to have a body flying toward you, you must have a gravational pull stronger than the pull Earth has at that point. Which means if the gravational pull is stronger the weight and mass both goes up and as Force is equal to mass times acceleration he'd only be making Tsunade's attack much stronger. All she would have to do is throw a punch or land a kick as she is flying through the air. Against Shinra Tensei Tsunade has already tanked it without healing herself. Against Chibaku Tensei Katsuyu has already tanked it, and we've seen Katsuyu protect people despite extreme gravitational force (during Shinra Tensei), so she would need only protect Tsunade during Shinra Tensei. Though given the whole F= MA thing I do wonder how much stronger Tsunade's attack would be as a result of CT. Anyway then Tsunade only needs to wait out Pein's jutsu as CT requires a lot of chakra and is difficult to maintain. While I do think Tsunade would be overwhelmed by pain and would lose I was making the point that the Sannin have the capabilities to go toe to toe with strong opponents and the fact that Jiraiya did it doesn't mean another Sannin couldn't. They all have the same effective power level.The major power houses of Pein is Deva path followed by Animal path.
However, Tsunade could take out Human Path, Preta Path, and Naraka Path at once.
Taking on the powerhouses at once with more than one path present is a different story. But given the fact that she has Katsuyu to help she can probably take on Human, Preta, and Animal together. The sannin all have the same powerlevel. While Oro may not be able to kill the dog he can hold him still with the use of snakes or poison it making it incapable of moving. Against human path's blitz he could use his sword of Kusunagi. His 8 branches would destroy animal paths other summonings.
So you're Pein reference is skewed. But to answer your question I do think Orochimaru could have lasted equally as long. All of the sannin could. They all have the same net amount power.If Human path tried to blitz Tsunade like it did Jiraiya, where Jiraiya blinded the path Tsunade's strike would have meant death. Against Animal path Katsuyu could probably last a while as hitting Katsuyu doesn't particularly accomplish anything, nor does cutting her. Against the dog, the acid would continually burn the dog something that wouldn't trigger the dog to multiply. In addition with Tsunade's medical ninjutsu she could immobolize the dog without directly hitting with her brute strength, so that it doesn't multiply. Preta path is useless against Tsunade as her natural raw strength is legendary and said to be far greater than Sakura's enhanced strength. With her natural strength we have seen her lift Gamabunta's sword, maneuver the sword, and put it down with perfect accuracy. People will say Asura path blitzed Tsunade. This is true but considering Tsunade has used all of her chakra healing the village the point is meaningless it's like beating sick man on his death bed. With Tsunade not having exhausted her entire reserves then a heavenly kick of pain would destroy Asura path. The missiles from Asura path were slow enough to allow Choji a chance to run from them. So what then stops Tsunade from avoiding them? Against Naraka path it turns into a taijutsu battle which Tsunade would win and his killing tech involves grabbing people by their throat which would not be to successful against Tsunade. Against Deva path Bansho Tennin would pull her in assuming Tsunade had no knowledge and thus hadn't thought of the counter as she did in the manga, then her strength would only be amplified as the tech increases the speed in which she arrives and it increases her mass because in order to have a body flying toward you, you must have a gravational pull stronger than the pull Earth has at that point. Which means if the gravational pull is stronger the weight and mass both goes up and as Force is equal to mass times acceleration he'd only be making Tsunade's attack much stronger. All she would have to do is throw a punch or land a kick as she is flying through the air. Against Shinra Tensei Tsunade has already tanked it without healing herself. Against Chibaku Tensei Katsuyu has already tanked it, and we've seen Katsuyu protect people despite extreme gravitational force (during Shinra Tensei), so she would need only protect Tsunade during Shinra Tensei. Though given the whole F= MA thing I do wonder how much stronger Tsunade's attack would be as a result of CT. Anyway then Tsunade only needs to wait out Pein's jutsu as CT requires a lot of chakra and is difficult to maintain. While I do think Tsunade would be overwhelmed by pain and would lose I was making the point that the Sannin have the capabilities to go toe to toe with strong opponents and the fact that Jiraiya did it doesn't mean another Sannin couldn't. They all have the same effective power level.The major power houses of Pein is Deva path followed by Animal path.
However, Tsunade could take out Human Path, Preta Path, and Naraka Path at once.
Taking on the powerhouses at once with more than one path present is a different story. But given the fact that she has Katsuyu to help she can probably take on Human, Preta, and Animal together. The sannin all have the same powerlevel. While Oro may not be able to kill the dog he can hold him still with the use of snakes or poison it making it incapable of moving. Against human path's blitz he could use his sword of Kusunagi. His 8 branches would destroy animal paths other summonings.
Yes Tsunade is a taijutsu specialist but that doesn't mean ninjutsu or genjutsu is the only way to win. Winning with taijutsu requires extra effort sure, but certainly possible.
wease::T_T:Good job sir, + Rep, this whole post is just genius!!!! They all have a chance at beating each other, I can go with that, but I still think Tsunade is the strongest U_U
anyway, whoever had something to say before, say something to this ^^
He basically just proved that Tsunades NOT the strongest, but they're all equally strong in different areas which is what I said like 12 posts ago so don't try to make it seem like they're agreeing with you haha. Remember you said Tsunade was the strongest Sannin, not because the other 2 are dead(which is the only way she is considered the strongest) but because she has "surpassed" them. Which is complete bull, Orochimaru & Jiraiya have gained the ability of their respective SMs, Tsunade has yet to accomplish this.
Good job sir, + Rep, this whole post is just genius!!!! They all have a chance at beating each other, I can go with that, but I still think Tsunade is the strongest U_U
anyway, whoever had something to say before, say something to this ^^
And you know Tsunade doesn't have this how??? :shrug: As far as I'm concerned, she is still alive and probably has a lot more to show. I agreed with him on the fact that they can all beat each other yes, but to say she is the weakest I disagree with, he IS agreeing with me imo
Tsunade may not have surpassed them in jutsu, but she can wipe the floor with Jiraiya who's SM takes years to get in to, and most likely defeat Oro, he didn't want to get his ass handed to him when they fought so he retreated, scared much? :shrug:
Kyuubikiller
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:sy: sigh.....
You just don't want to admit that Tsunade is weak xd give it up bro, she is the weakest.
Tazzilla88
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Tsunade isn't "weak" by any stretch of the imagination. She's still the second strongest living member of the hidden leaf. When the were all alive Jiraiya would have shared the second bracket with her as they are all of equal strength.
Orochimaru was the genjutsu and forbidden jutsu specialist
Jiraiya was the ninjutsu and Reconnaissance specialist
Tsunade was the taijutsu and medical specialist.
They were a three man cell whose strengths and weaknesses perfectly complimented each other. There is no strongest Sannin and no weakest Sannin. I object to the idea that there is. They all have certain persons and situations they would fair better in than the other two. Because power is not static in Naruto as it was in DBZ they may or may not be able to defeat the same people but they all are the same power level.
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CleverMonkey
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You can't say that he is wrong when we haven't seen them go all out on eachother....
smh..
Stop using obscenities to argue with these guys, you're taking the intelligence away from your argument with every obscenity lol. Just ignore the people that say shes the weakest without giving evidence, that's their opinion chief. Also I'm still going against you, I just don't want to see your incredibly interesting thread deleted because you're having a hard time controlling your curse words.
*Back On Subject*
I'm not saying Tsunade does not possess a SM, theres a SM for every animal summoning most likely, hell I bet Might Guy even has one, but she has yet to reach that level. People continue to say she hasn't gone "full out" yet, well if thats the case she better reveal this SM in the next chapters because the Kages are getting their asses handed to them lol. And if she goes "full out" & theres no SM, I just feel that she shouldn't be considered the strongest Sannin because she never achieved SM; making her the lowest out of the 3.
They all had the same amount of time to reach SM, & don't forget the fact that she has Hashirama's DNA flowing through her veins which is hypothetically a kekkei genkei, which already gives her an advantage, seeing as Jiraiya & Orochimaru are plain janes(no kekkei genkei) that just had incredible determination to become stronger. Also its true she slackened on her training with Shizune; getting drunk, gambling, & having mad psssionate lesbo *** with Shizune[lmao joking about that last 1.... or am I õ_Ó], but so did Jiraiya & Orochimaru. Jiraiya, writing novels, gambling, & being a peeping tom. Orochimaru, experimenting, doing research, and molesti.... *cough I mean kid-napping. So they all slackened on their training.
1. Orochimaru
2. Jiraiya
3. Tsunade
& no guys I'm not a fan of Orochimaru, I actually couldn't stand his ass, but facts are facts. Give credit where its due, he was 1 helluva shinobi. He was getting up* with Jiraiya & Tsunade at the same damn time with his arms sealed. & he was able to go SM in a matter of seconds.
*means equalling strength
I'm putting "*" because I use this phrase alot on here & you guys seem to not know what I mean. I already explained why Jiraiya > Tsunade a couple posts ago. & please stop saying it takes Jiraiya forever to go SM, I agree it takes him some time but not that long. Like 2-4 minutes at the most. Plus he has Ma & Pa with him they are the equivalent to 2 high ranked Jounin like having Asuma & Kurenai with him. But to be fair you are correct she is the strongest Sannin now, because Orochimaru & Jiraiya are DEAD....
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Smh what I stated was straight from the manga, Kabuto said Orochimaru didn't perfect SM, meaning he possessed it chief . Stay in denial if you want but its true give me a sec & I'll go find the panel for you
lmao sorry I forgot all about this thread, my apologizes
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Slug Princess Tsunade
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Tsunade > Orochimaru
Orochimaru> Jiraiya
Jiraiya> Tsunade
So I think they are equal in strenght.
Orochimaru> Jiraiya
Jiraiya> Tsunade
So I think they are equal in strenght.
