clearing some things up about edo madara

[NinjutsuSeeker]

Ok so with the new manga out, alot of people are saying that madara is unbeatable. And that he has unlimited chakra so he is super strong. I think I have one valid reason as to why he is not super strong, even with unlimited chakra. And also i may have a reason as to why madara is still an edo summon not fully revived.

Ok so lets say he does have unlimited chakra, if that is the case, that does not mean he is super strong. think about it. If he had all this chakra at his disposal... then why doesn't he just do the moon eye plan right now? I mean since he has unlimited chakra he should be able to do it now without the ten tails right? wrong. The reason why is because even though he still has unlimited chakra, there is still a threshhold on the amount of chakra he has.

For example, you have ten cookies. You eat one, because it is unlimited, you will always have ten. But that doesn mean you can pass ten and have 100 cookies. See there is a threshhold to how many cookies you have at once, the same with madaras chakra. he has unlimited chakra but can only release but so much.

Now some people say he is revived now because he released himself from edo. Ok I think that is wrong because if that was the case, why didn madara and or tobi do that in the first place? why didn orochimaru do that in the first place? Shoot why didn anyone with knowledge of the edo tensei do that already? why because that is not the case. He may have released himself from kabutos control, but just like itachi said, there is a weakness to every jutsu. So madara is not unstoppable, nor is he back alive. he is still an edo.

 

[Aura]

Wow great thread and I agree.

 

[Zero Tails]

I agree. I personally think it'll be a cop out if Sasuke "rescues" the kages.

 

[Just Enjoy This Shit]

Ok so with the new manga out, alot of people are saying that madara is unbeatable. And that he has unlimited chakra so he is super strong. I think I have one valid reason as to why he is not super strong, even with unlimited chakra. And also i may have a reason as to why madara is still an edo summon not fully revived.

Ok so lets say he does have unlimited chakra, if that is the case, that does not mean he is super strong. think about it. If he had all this chakra at his disposal... then why doesn't he just do the moon eye plan right now? I mean since he has unlimited chakra he should be able to do it now without the ten tails right? wrong. The reason why is because even though he still has unlimited chakra, there is still a threshhold on the amount of chakra he has.

ummmmmmmm duh bro

unlimited in the sense that he cant deplete his chakra....

 

[beastbomb9]

Good theory best part was the cookie analogy tht pretty much brought it together 4 me

 

[alexu9696]

Ok so with the new manga out, alot of people are saying that madara is unbeatable. And that he has unlimited chakra so he is super strong. I think I have one valid reason as to why he is not super strong, even with unlimited chakra. And also i may have a reason as to why madara is still an edo summon not fully revived.

Ok so lets say he does have unlimited chakra, if that is the case, that does not mean he is super strong. think about it. If he had all this chakra at his disposal... then why doesn't he just do the moon eye plan right now? I mean since he has unlimited chakra he should be able to do it now without the ten tails right? wrong. The reason why is because even though he still has unlimited chakra, there is still a threshhold on the amount of chakra he has.

For example, you have ten cookies. You eat one, because it is unlimited, you will always have ten. But that doesn mean you can pass ten and have 100 cookies. See there is a threshhold to how many cookies you have at once, the same with madaras chakra. he has unlimited chakra but can only release but so much.

Now some people say he is revived now because he released himself from edo. Ok I think that is wrong because if that was the case, why didn madara and or tobi do that in the first place? why didn orochimaru do that in the first place? Shoot why didn anyone with knowledge of the edo tensei do that already? why because that is not the case. He may have released himself from kabutos control, but just like itachi said, there is a weakness to every jutsu. So madara is not unstoppable, nor is he back alive. he is still an edo.

yes that is true but the curent edo madra can only be baet my itachi selaing sword .. s06p .... and the juubi ....

i just can see naruto beating madara at his curent level maybe if he gets some new power ups from the bijuus ..... but he is still battling tobi so .....:shrug:

 

[NinjutsuSeeker]

ummmmmmmm duh bro

unlimited in the sense that he cant deplete his chakra....

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[Saikou Ninja]

You can't be certian how his chakra regenerates wether its instantaneous or if he has to deplete his current set before it replenish. If its instantaneous it'll be like a hose squirting water into a cup with a hole in the bottom, Even though the water is constantly leaking(Chakra), The cup will always be full(Body). Understand? I think the only reason he doesn't do the moonseye plan himself or kill the kages by spamming his strongest techs due to his unlimited chakra is solely because of plot No-jutsu. Nice thread though

 

[devilvishal]

i think only naruto with kuruma can stop madara............

 

[NinjutsuSeeker]

i think only naruto with kuruma can stop madara............

of course. thats why this show is called naruto lol

 

[Ramenamaterasu]

He will still have the exact same powers as before, otherwise it would not get mer excited I mean a weaker madara? Come on that is a to boring idea.

And you are misstaken on a big part, Since Kabuto is no longer counsioness in his edo tensei of course madara could use the edo release technique , kabuto wouldnt allow him before or no one else because he had control over them, as we have seen for example in latest anime where 2tshuckaige and 2mizukage tried to kill eachother but they still had their mind and emotions intact but coudlnt kill eachother in body movements which kabuto had control over.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[-Hades-]

Totally agree with the way you interpreted Madara's unlimited chakra.
And yes he is still an edo (he did say he was immortal, if he was alive then that would mean mortal right?) But he is still super strong and pretty much unbeatable... With his current chakra level he is able to use the rinnegan to bring down meteorites, use full form of Susanoo and Hashirama's wood jutsu and i say this combination is as much as you can get to unbeatable even though he will be defeated eventually.

 

[Nidaime Pupil]

Ok so with the new manga out, alot of people are saying that madara is unbeatable. And that he has unlimited chakra so he is super strong. I think I have one valid reason as to why he is not super strong, even with unlimited chakra. And also i may have a reason as to why madara is still an edo summon not fully revived.

Ok so lets say he does have unlimited chakra, if that is the case, that does not mean he is super strong. think about it. If he had all this chakra at his disposal... then why doesn't he just do the moon eye plan right now? I mean since he has unlimited chakra he should be able to do it now without the ten tails right? wrong. The reason why is because even though he still has unlimited chakra, there is still a threshhold on the amount of chakra he has.

For example, you have ten cookies. You eat one, because it is unlimited, you will always have ten. But that doesn mean you can pass ten and have 100 cookies. See there is a threshhold to how many cookies you have at once, the same with madaras chakra. he has unlimited chakra but can only release but so much.

Now some people say he is revived now because he released himself from edo. Ok I think that is wrong because if that was the case, why didn madara and or tobi do that in the first place? why didn orochimaru do that in the first place? Shoot why didn anyone with knowledge of the edo tensei do that already? why because that is not the case. He may have released himself from kabutos control, but just like itachi said, there is a weakness to every jutsu. So madara is not unstoppable, nor is he back alive. he is still an edo.

Only one problem with this explanation, which is nice btw.

I believe Madara is going to pull some BS out of his butt saying he knew the second Hokage personally and thus knew the sign to be "released" from it - I'm assuming at some point Tobirama used Edo Tensei and an Edo went berserk like this and needed to be sealed. With this explanation no one but Madara would have known this seal, because none of them knew the second Hokage.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

This is what I thought anyway, nice one clearing up for people who didn't fully understand the situation though.

 

[NinjutsuSeeker]

Only one problem with this explanation, which is nice btw.

I believe Madara is going to pull some BS out of his butt saying he knew the second Hokage personally and thus knew the sign to be "released" from it - I'm assuming at some point Tobirama used Edo Tensei and an Edo went berserk like this and needed to be sealed. With this explanation no one but Madara would have known this seal, because none of them knew the second Hokage.

If madara can do some BS once(example, releasing the edo on his own) then madara can do some more bs lol i wouldn be surprised if he made a hashirama clone from his nipple to fight everybody...

 

[true enigma]

Ok so with the new manga out, alot of people are saying that madara is unbeatable. And that he has unlimited chakra so he is super strong. I think I have one valid reason as to why he is not super strong, even with unlimited chakra. And also i may have a reason as to why madara is still an edo summon not fully revived.

Ok so lets say he does have unlimited chakra, if that is the case, that does not mean he is super strong. think about it. If he had all this chakra at his disposal... then why doesn't he just do the moon eye plan right now? I mean since he has unlimited chakra he should be able to do it now without the ten tails right? wrong. The reason why is because even though he still has unlimited chakra, there is still a threshhold on the amount of chakra he has.

For example, you have ten cookies. You eat one, because it is unlimited, you will always have ten. But that doesn mean you can pass ten and have 100 cookies. See there is a threshhold to how many cookies you have at once, the same with madaras chakra. he has unlimited chakra but can only release but so much.

Now some people say he is revived now because he released himself from edo. Ok I think that is wrong because if that was the case, why didn madara and or tobi do that in the first place? why didn orochimaru do that in the first place? Shoot why didn anyone with knowledge of the edo tensei do that already? why because that is not the case. He may have released himself from kabutos control, but just like itachi said, there is a weakness to every jutsu. So madara is not unstoppable, nor is he back alive. he is still an edo.

we dnt know tobi and madaras connection yet so he might not even want to do that lame moon eye plan, and if he couldnt be defeated the plot would not make sense so yes he can be defeated... but by one shinobi? I think not. It should take a group or atleast a small circle of powerfull shinobi like the kages if they dnt succeed.

 

[repulse]

The analogy is great! Explains the idea of infinite chakra and the limitations that Madara's body can hold at a certain time. It's exactly what I believed +rep
I'm more curious as to what the source of the infinite chakra could be...

 

[NinjutsuSeeker]

The analogy is great! Explains the idea of infinite chakra and the limitations that Madara's body can hold at a certain time. It's exactly what I believed +rep
I'm more curious as to what the source of the infinite chakra could be...

I think chakra is more like...um how can i compare this...your stamina perhaps? I mean when they are out of chakra, they are tired. Same as real life, you out of stamina, then you tired. So i think edos having infinate chakra is because since they are already dead, they cannot get tired, thus having infinite chakra.

Which makes me belief further about the limitations of infinite chakra, It doesn't matter if it is infinite or not, if I was to summon.......konohamaru that doesn't mean he is suddenly the strongest mofo around...he just has unlimited chakra from the at the threshold he had before he died( not saying he died just using him as an example)