His not kagami his to fodder and kagami si not emotional invested in madara ...... you know tobi clench his arm when his taliking about madara and his brother ( izuna )
read all the facts and clues .... your theory about the appearance is realy Irrelevant
Tobi is very old and you cant compare how he looks like
The only thing you cand try to find is motiv .... goal .... reason to hate uchiha and konohoha
Also dont forget ... tobi is a good boy .... it means that tobi was a good person but turned evil ..... another goal of his is revenge in madara's name
You haven't answered my question "chief". That's a surefire way to know you've won a debate, when the other side refuses to argue your points and moves on to something even more pathetic.
Tobi (applicable to all theories, not only Izuna) is wearing a mask, BECAUSE HE'S HALF-HUMAN, HALF-ZETSU. Surely this may also include his face, which is why when Tobi fought Konan, the left-hand side of his face was still darkened out even when the mask was cracked off. I trust you aren't ignorant enough to deny he's made out of an inhuman substance, or do I have to pull up pages from the manga?
Tobi and Danzou have different voice actors, so yes I can hear them. Furthermore, you'd expect Itachi to recognize Danzo's voice, having just talked to him earlier IN THE SAME CHAPTER.
Explain to me how I'm out of ammo? I'm waiting for you to explain how "Danzo" grew taller and more hair.
Danzou took Shisui's eye before Shisui could use KA to keep the civil war from occuring. Danzou may have used KA on Itachi, so his appearance would most likely be irrelevant. That was the damn shadow when Tobi's mask cracked don't be foolish chief. & We all know Tobi has Zetsu cells in him, so does Danzou & most likely Obito as well, Danzou's face isn't dual colored so that statement you just made is just plain inaccurate. And I've answered my question, you still have no proof that Izuna was ever resurrected. Until you do that stop replying\quoting me, because you're talkihb in circles.... take this quote into consideration
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read all the facts and clues .... your theory about the appearance is realy Irrelevant
Who Tobi is?
Answer He isn't an Uzumaki
He was able to recognize a Contract Seal, a Reverse Four Symbols Seal and we all know fuinnjutsu is what Uzumaki were known for. however he was also able to recognize Torune's insects, Edo Tensei and Danzo's seal on Sasuke, Susanoo, Kakashi's Kamui, so this may just be his general knowledge on techniques, his hair isn't red, his chakra isn't
particularly powerful, he is most likely an Uchiha given his intricate knowledge on the dojutsu and the clan's history.
He is controlling multiple tailed beasts at the same time he is using Gedo, and a minimum of one transplanted eye, so it is safe to say that he has quite a chakra reserve. Also having red hair is an Uzumaki trait, not a requirement. I know of at least one blond haired Uzumaki running around. He doesn't have all the answers regarding the Uchiha clan else he wouldn't need to revisit the Uchiha tablet where Itachi noticed him. His knowledge of Edo Tensei is very limited else Kabuto wouldn't need to show him but I am not certain how your points of Jutsu knowledge relate to him not being Uzumaki.
He isn't a Senju
Senjus were known for great skill in different kinds of techniques, he depends mostly on the Sharingan and his Space Time technique which is most likely a Mangekyo technique so he's most likely not a Senju. Also if he were a Senju he wouldn't need Hashirama's Senju's cells.
He isn't from an random clan since he's so knowledgeable on the Rikudo Sage and the three clans that descended from him so....
I am not sure how this excludes him from being a Senju. Space Time techs seem more predominantly used by non Uchiha (Tobirama, Minato, Kakashi). One could argue that only transplanted Sharingans would be able to use space time techs, for all we know. Also, while I personally believe he got Hashirama DNA from Madara (sorry Omoi everyone is after Hashi's DNA they don't need to be from the same source), it is just that, belief.
CONCLUSION: He is an UCHIHA
Which Uchiha....let's find out.
Since he knew Madara, and we all know Madara died young as seen from his appearance when revived as an Edo Tensei, he must be either Madara's age or around Danzo, Onoki and Sarutobi's age since they are the only generation old enough to know Madara's generation, he is also very old as seen from the wrinkles on his face and the fact that he called Konan(who would be nearing 40) a child, the only Uchiha's that fit this age bracket are:
Madara
Izuna
Kagami
Elder son of the Sage.
Madara is dead as seen from his revival as an Edo Tensei.
Izuna is dead as seen from his dead body in a coffin, added to the fact that he and Tobi have different hair colour.
Elder son of the Sage would probably be too powerful to need help in capturing bijuu and would have a more vast arsenal of jutsu as the son of the most powerful human to ever walk the earth, he would also know the nine tailed beasts by name.
Not dissagreeing but edit your first statement. Too many Madara's.
The only option left is Kagami, how could Kagami be Tobi?
Here are the facts----
He has Tobi's hairstyle and color.
He had a bag under his eye even when he was young and Tobi has bags under his eye.
He knew Hashirama and Madara as seen from the fact that he was old enough to witness Tobirama sacrifice himself and appoint Hiruzen as Hokage. He knew that generation.
According to the databook he hated the Uchiha clan and revolted against the Senju's rule so he has motive for using Kurama to attack Konoha. And this could be why he allied with Madara.
NOW HOW DOES NAGATO AND MADARA COME INTO THE MIX?????
MY THEORY
He must have known Madara as a kid and agreed with his hatred for the Senju and Hashirama. Madara must have told him his story with Izuna through genjutsu and then how to awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan which then allowed him to read the tablet to an extent as well. He kept his Mangekyo a secret from the rest of the Uchiha clan so as not to draw attention. When Madara left the village, he stayed behind to act as a spy for him. I think he may have helped Madara locate Kurama since we all know Tobi can find anything he wants which is why Kurama when he saw him knew him. When Madara fought against Hashirama and lost, he took Madara and treated his injuries, implanted Hashirama's cells in both himself and Madara, however only Madara awakened the Rinnegan. He kept on as a normal Uchiha in the village and grew up to oppose the Senju's rule along with other Uchihas but it was too late, as Madara warned. The injuries from the battle with Hashirama were slowly killing Madara, but Madara continue to train and master the Rinnegan. When Madara was between 40-50 years old, he found a baby Uzumaki by the name of Nagato in Amegakure and after his death, Tobi(Kagami) transplanted his eye into the baby in the hopes that he would be able to awaken the Rinnegan and revive Madara. In the meantime, Kagami faked his death during the Second Shinobi World War and went into the shadows. Nagato grew up and found Yahiko and Konan and they formed Akatsuki, Tobi(Kagami) may have been one of the founders of the organisation since he claimed to have spurred Yahiko. After Yahiko's death, he revealed himself to Nagato and Konan as Uchiha Madara, warped their idealogy to use to his own benefit and they joined with him. He then set his sights on Kirigakure and controlled the jinchuuriki of the Three Tails with genjutsu, how he did this I do not know but I have a theory that he genjutsu'd the Three Tails before it was sealed into Yagura then genjutsu'd Yagura. Its possible since Minato saw it fit to remove Kurama from Tobi's control before he sealed in into Naruto meaning if he had just sealed it then Kurama would still be under Tobi's control. With the power of the Three Tails, Yagura became Mizukage in no time. However, the genjutsu was discovered and somehow Tobi lost control of both Yagura and the Three Tails, my guess is when the genjutsu was discovered Yagura was killed since Kirigakure did not want the Three Tails to fall into enemy control, so that the bijuu would be later revived on its own elsewhere. OR Yagura killed himself or Tobi made Yagura release the bijuu in that river. Anyways, his dealing with Danzo are in my other thread My Uchiha Massacre Theory
So how did Madara die? Continued training while succumbing to wounds? How effective could that training be? There are a lot of assumptions in this last part with very little tie-ins or evidence to back the story up.
Danzou took Shisui's eye before Shisui could use KA to keep the civil war from occuring. Danzou may have used KA on Itachi, so his appearance would most likely be irrelevant. That was the damn shadow when Tobi's mask cracked don't be foolish chief. & We all know Tobi has Zetsu cells in him, so does Danzou & most likely Obito as well, Danzou's face isn't dual colored so that statement you just made is just plain inaccurate. And I've answered my question, you still have no proof that Izuna was ever resurrected. Until you do that stop replying\quoting me, because you're talkihb in circles.... take this quote into consideration
alexu9696 is talking about his Izuna theory, but it still applys, you're worried about his hair/height WTF!?
Chief this is not a fact, just something you believe occured, just stop. Provide any facts/proof or just hang it up.
is the most logical fact and proof that izuna is alive ...you are clearly the most retarded human i've ever meet ...i just can't beleive you don't realize that ,,,
I think your theory is very good. I feel like i want to modify it. When madara confirms how his brother is dead in front of hokages, I wonder why he says it in a sorrowful way like his brother is dead for sure. I am thinking maybe madara didn't really revive his brother. Because tobi mentions to zetsu how he wanted to use nagato rinne tensei for his sake. He didn't say madara's sake.
Tobi mentions how he is his 'mere shell of his former self'. If tobi is izuna he wouldn't be a shell of his former self if he is revived by the rinne tensei, unless something happend to him. Tobi has a bandage on his head. He never used his MS and shown pretty much only his teleporting jutsu. He possibly has zetsu in him as you can see white goo in his arm.
I feel like he has undergone some kind of special modification. The reason why nine-tails can be controlled and recognize his chakra because he is connected to madara powers as tobi controls nine-tails so effortlessly. I am thinking after izuna died, madara did experiments on his body and through unknown means created 'tobi' who happens to have izuna's personalities and memories. So Tobi is a 'special' prototype that is able to utilize a very advanced space time jutsu.
I think your theory is very good. I feel like i want to modify it. When madara confirms how his brother is dead in front of hokages, I wonder why he says it in a sorrowful way like his brother is dead for sure. I am thinking maybe madara didn't really revive his brother. Because tobi mentions to zetsu how he wanted to use nagato rinne tensei for his sake. He didn't say madara's sake.
Tobi mentions how he is his 'mere shell of his former self'. If tobi is izuna he wouldn't be a shell of his former self if he is revived by the rinne tensei, unless something happend to him. Tobi has a bandage on his head. He never used his MS and shown pretty much only his teleporting jutsu. He possibly has zetsu in him as you can see white goo in his arm.
I feel like he has undergone some kind of special modification. The reason why nine-tails can be controlled and recognize his chakra because he is connected to madara powers as tobi controls nine-tails so effortlessly. I am thinking after izuna died, madara did experiments on his body and through unknown means created 'tobi' who happens to have izuna's personalities and memories. So Tobi is a 'special' prototype that is able to utilize a very advanced space time jutsu.
ok , unfortunately i havent found the quoted theory, but this is realy one of the best izuna theories i have read so far. I always thought that tobi was some kind of genetically generated freak with powers from different elite shinobis with someone being the base of his personality (as u say it, it could be izuna).
Further more this could reveal the relationship madara had with orochimaru ...as i cant realy recall that madara was ever said to be a scientific genius ...unlike orochimaru. Also this would somehow state why orochimaru all of a sudden became obsessed with immortality and hunger for power....also it would explain why kabuto had some portion of Madaras DNA to be able to revive him (it could have been part of the agreement orochimaru had with madara).
U sir have blown my mind with this theory....i usualy tend to adapt the reality a bit in order for it to fit my theories but this seems to REALY make sense ...
Something i also came up with to kinda enhance this theroy (xD) : ever since i still believe that this "base body" of tobi (lets say izuna) was modified with quite a lot of different genetic material, the white goo for example we saw every now and then could simply be a form of oros regenerative abilities. Also it would state why tobi said, that he is no one ....cause in that case he would be an abomination made out of many.
i think i should end this now ever since i seem to get carried away a bit
but definitely thanks for that theory.
ok , unfortunately i havent found the quoted theory, but this is realy one of the best izuna theories i have read so far. I always thought that tobi was some kind of genetically generated freak with powers from different elite shinobis with someone being the base of his personality (as u say it, it could be izuna).
Further more this could reveal the relationship madara had with orochimaru ...as i cant realy recall that madara was ever said to be a scientific genius ...unlike orochimaru. Also this would somehow state why orochimaru all of a sudden became obsessed with immortality and hunger for power....also it would explain why kabuto had some portion of Madaras DNA to be able to revive him (it could have been part of the agreement orochimaru had with madara).
U sir have blown my mind with this theory....i usualy tend to adapt the reality a bit in order for it to fit my theories but this seems to REALY make sense ...
Something i also came up with to kinda enhance this theroy (xD) : ever since i still believe that this "base body" of tobi (lets say izuna) was modified with quite a lot of different genetic material, the white goo for example we saw every now and then could simply be a form of oros regenerative abilities. Also it would state why tobi said, that he is no one ....cause in that case he would be an abomination made out of many.
i think i should end this now ever since i seem to get carried away a bit
but definitely thanks for that theory.
1) He is from the time of Hashirama Senju, and needs to be someone the Kyuubi would instantly recognize.
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He is instantly recognized by the Kyuubi, who as far as we know has been sealed away in an Uzumaki jinchuuriki ever since the battle at the Valley of the End, where Uzumaki Mito sealed it into herself. There are no reports of the Kyuubi having broken free aside from in Yondaime’s time. This means that Tobi is someone the Kyuubi met during the time of Hashirama.
Given the way in which he speaks of past events, he has first-hand knowledge of and was emotionally investment in the Uchiha/Senju conflict.
Izuna fits: Uchiha Izuna was from this time period, and for obvious reasons, was personally and emotionally invested in fighting the Senju.
2) He has to have a credible reason for being pissed off at the Uchiha’s making peace with the Senju, and needs to be personally, emotionally invested in Uchiha Izuna’s eyes being given to Uchiha Madara.
“What kind of monster would hurt his beloved younger brother?! All I ever wanted was to protect the Uchiha clan! […] My younger brother accepted his role and willingly gave his eyes to me….[Tobi clenches his arms in anger]. What happened to the hatred we had for them?! What did my brother sacrifice his eyes for?!”
Izuna fits: He has ample reason to be pissed off at the Uchiha, even more so than Uchiha Madara; he sacrificed his eyes and possibly his life to give Madara the EMS in order to protect the Uchiha in their fight against the Senju, only to have them go and make peace? Why did he sacrifice his eyes and his life for them, then?!
3) He has a credible reason for claiming that the eyes Nagato had “were [his] to begin with.”
Izuna fits: If we accept the likelihood that Nagato’s eyes used to be Uchiha Madara’s (who is the only person we know which awakened the Rinnegan), then we also accept that Nagato’s eyes originally belonged to Uchiha Izuna’s, as we know that Uchiha Madara’s EMS eyes originally belonged to Izuna. Izuna fits this perfectly; no one else has a better credible reason to claim Nagato’s eyes “were his to begin with” than Izuna.
4) He needs to be a person whom Uchiha Madara will trust with his own life and rebirth.
Madara trusted Tobi to bring him back to life with Nagato’s powers. This is a major deal. Who would whant to ressurect an arrogant bastard like Madara unless he was your brother .... only the love of a brother would accept Madara
If we accept Madara’s statement that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death, then this also means that he had only a very short period of time to transplant the Rinnegan into child Nagato. This means that he was 100%, utterly dependent on Tobi to carry out the ‘plan’ he mentioned to Kabuto, which included his resurrection.
Madara also gave Tobi access to the Hashirama-related power which he had nearly died for; an incredible show of trust.
Izuna fits: He is Uchiha Madara’s younger brother, and brotherly ties are a major focal point of this manga. We know that Rinnei Tensei can bring the dead back to life, and we know that Uchiha Madara gained the Rinnegan before dying. It would make sense if he used the Rinnegan to bring back Izuna.
Counter-Argument: Nagato wasn’t able to bring back Jiraiya because he had died too long ago! How could Madara bring back Izuna, who had died even longer ago!
Response: Uchiha Madara planned to use Nagato to bring himself back to life. If we accept that Madara died while Nagato was a child (which is necessary, as Nagato was given the Rinnegan as a child), and that Nagato was expected to ‘grow’ into his power, then this shows Madara thought it was fully possible for Nagato to resurrect him, despite years having passed. Which indicates that it is also fully possible for Madara to resurrect Izuna, despite years having passed.
5) He needs to have a credible grudge against Konoha, and has to have waited a long time for his vengeance against Konoha.
Spoken to Kushina: “Do you have any idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?!”
Izuna fits: His reason for a grudge against Konoha are obvious and profound; he gave his eyes to fight against the Senju who controlled the village, then eventually expelled his brother out from it. If we accept that he died or was maimed back in Hashirama’s days, then he has been waiting a long, long time indeed for his vengeance.
6) Tobi needs to be an Uchiha.
Although not Madara, Tobi still needs to have an Uchiha’s body; he uses the sharingan with expertise not seen outside a native Uchiha, and does not appear to have any problems with his body not being suited for the sharingan.
Izuna fits: Self-explanatory.
7) Tobi has to have a credible reason for being at least partly made out of Zetsu goo, even as far back as the fight with Yondaime.
Izuna somewhat fits: Tobi claims that Uchiha Izuna died in battle after losing his eyes. Knowing that Rinnei Tensi is capable of bringing the dead back, and also knowing that Zetsu goo is based off of Hashirama’s DNA, it’s credible that for Madara to bring Izuna back, he had to use Zetsu goo for whatever reason. Admittedly, more data is required here.
8) He has an old, wrinkly face, despite being partially made out of Zetsu goo.
Izuna fits: If we accept that Izuna was brought back to life with the Rinnegan while Nagato was a child, then at least 30+ years have passed, as we know that Nagato (being Jiraiya’s first disciple) should be as old or older than Minato. If Izuna was brought back in a partially ‘real’ body which aged, and if he had died in his 20’s, then he would now be in his 50’s or 60’s, explaining the wrinkly face. This is also supported by the fact that he indicates if Itachi knew some of his secrets, the Amaterasu would have killed him, indicating that at least part of him was non-Zetsu goo and thus vulnerable to being killed.
Note: The biggest clue is that " Tobi is a good boy " meaning Izuna was a good brother to Madara but turn evil to get revenge for Madara.... i belive kishi is making a switch deja vu like Itachi and Sasuke .... Madara and Izuna [/QUOTE]
I think your theory is very good. I feel like i want to modify it. When madara confirms how his brother is dead in front of hokages, I wonder why he says it in a sorrowful way like his brother is dead for sure. I am thinking maybe madara didn't really revive his brother. Because tobi mentions to zetsu how he wanted to use nagato rinne tensei for his sake. He didn't say madara's sake.
Tobi mentions how he is his 'mere shell of his former self'. If tobi is izuna he wouldn't be a shell of his former self if he is revived by the rinne tensei, unless something happend to him. Tobi has a bandage on his head. He never used his MS and shown pretty much only his teleporting jutsu. He possibly has zetsu in him as you can see white goo in his arm.
I feel like he has undergone some kind of special modification. The reason why nine-tails can be controlled and recognize his chakra because he is connected to madara powers as tobi controls nine-tails so effortlessly. I am thinking after izuna died, madara did experiments on his body and through unknown means created 'tobi' who happens to have izuna's personalities and memories. So Tobi is a 'special' prototype that is able to utilize a very advanced space time jutsu.
Good point ....if zetsu goo was used on izuna body ..... and that is why it has izuna personalty ....... and some zetsu
but can zestu goo be that reason that revived izuna ? .... maybe that zetsuu goo cand be a jutsu of somekind .... so that tobi can remplace body parts in case he gets hit .... you know a safety jutsu ... him being so old ..
something very awesom i see is this.... you see that bandage on izuna eyes ?
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Could it be the same bandage only that here is on his forehad ?
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I mean why the hell would tobi have a bandage on his forehad ? :shrug:
Good point ....if zetsu goo was used on izuna body ..... and that is why it has izuna personalty ....... and some zetsu
but can zestu goo be that reason that revived izuna ? .... maybe that zetsuu goo cand be a jutsu of somekind .... so that tobi can remplace body parts in case he gets hit .... you know a safety jutsu ... him being so old ..
something very awesom i see is this.... you see that bandage on izuna eyes ?
Could it be the same bandage only that here is on his forehad ?
I mean why the hell would tobi have a bandage on his forehad ? :shrug:
well ...i think u are kinda putting to much value on that bandage.... its bandage ....
the only reason he d have such a thing is, cause he want to cover either a wound (i.e. a scar from a made experiment on his body in order to modify him) or because it would give aways his identity (lets say he actually is a branchfamily-hyuuga) ...though i think that that bandage is irrelevant.
well ...i think u are kinda putting to much value on that bandage.... its bandage ....
the only reason he d have such a thing is, cause he want to cover either a wound (i.e. a scar from a made experiment on his body in order to modify him) or because it would give aways his identity (lets say he actually is a branchfamily-hyuuga) ...though i think that that bandage is irrelevant.
dont get me wrong, i read your theory and i really really like it ....its the only 1 (at least out of the ones i have read) which is covering madaras goal --> meaning to be resurrected, as u say. Furthermore it would deliver a solid explanation on how madara is related to Orochimaru and Kabuto ever since he didnt seem to be surprised to be brought back into the world of the living by edo-tensei and is even talking about some kind of "plan".
just want to say, that we should rather not make assumptions on something as banal as a bandage^^
dont get me wrong, i read your theory and i really really like it ....its the only 1 (at least out of the ones i have read) which is covering madaras goal --> meaning to be resurrected, as u say. Furthermore it would deliver a solid explanation on how madara is related to Orochimaru and Kabuto ever since he didnt seem to be surprised to be brought back into the world of the living by edo-tensei and is even talking about some kind of "plan".
just want to say, that we should rather not make assumptions on something as banal as a bandage^^
Danzou took Shisui's eye before Shisui could use KA to keep the civil war from occuring. Danzou may have used KA on Itachi, so his appearance would most likely be irrelevant. That was the damn shadow when Tobi's mask cracked don't be foolish chief. & We all know Tobi has Zetsu cells in him, so does Danzou & most likely Obito as well, Danzou's face isn't dual colored so that statement you just made is just plain inaccurate. And I've answered my question, you still have no proof that Izuna was ever resurrected. Until you do that stop replying\quoting me, because you're talkihb in circles.... take this quote into consideration
Let's take a look at the things YOU just said in this post.
1) Danzou MAY have used KA on Itachi
2) KA MIGHT have rendered Tobi's appearance irrelevent despite the fact that we've never seen it work in this way
3) Danzou MAY have Zetsu cells in him (don't confuse the first's cells with Zetsu's cells, although they are similarly composed, they AREN'T THE SAME as of yet
4) Because Danzo's face isn't dual-coloured, my theory about Tobi being Danzou isnt accurate...? Wow.
Notice how I capitalized the words MAY and MIGHT for evidence you can't prove. Now look at this statement.
Izuna MIGHT have been resurrected.
See where I'm going with this? Unless you're the one talking in circles you'll acknowledge that your posts are based on practically nothing substantial.
Maybe, madara did revive his brother but not completely explains why tobi is a mere former of his self. So, Madara had to modify him to keep him alive and strong.
Let's take a look at the things YOU just said in this post.
1) Danzou MAY have used KA on Itachi
2) KA MIGHT have rendered Tobi's appearance irrelevent despite the fact that we've never seen it work in this way
3) Danzou MAY have Zetsu cells in him (don't confuse the first's cells with Zetsu's cells, although they are similarly composed, they AREN'T THE SAME as of yet
4) Because Danzo's face isn't dual-coloured, my theory about Tobi being Danzou isnt accurate...? Wow.
Notice how I capitalized the words MAY and MIGHT for evidence you can't prove. Now look at this statement.
Izuna MIGHT have been resurrected.
See where I'm going with this? Unless you're the one talking in circles you'll acknowledge that your posts are based on practically nothing substantial.
I never said that all my theories were proven but probable, & if you had paid attention from the beginning of the conversation you would have seen that I used words like might, & may against Sasuke2, who said his Izuna theory was the only one with the less amount of fiction/made up story which is false. Stop trying to flame when you really have no clue where the origin of a post came from. Like I said early, all you're doing is insulting & not contributing to the thread's purpose at all.
& how exactly are Zetsu & Hashirama's cells not connected?
Maybe, madara did revive his brother but not completely explains why tobi is a mere former of his self. So, Madara had to modify him to keep him alive and strong.
ya tobi probably experimented on himself, and madara told him about the zetsus and his secrets before he died. I wonder how tobi has so much knowledge, How tobi know how to use the rinnegan so effectively. Madara would have had very little time to teach him. Seriously if tobi is izuna, izuna is VERY smart.
ya tobi probably experimented on himself, and madara told him about the zetsus and his secrets before he died. I wonder how tobi has so much knowledge, How tobi know how to use the rinnegan so effectively. Madara would have had very little time to teach him. Seriously if tobi is izuna, izuna is VERY smart.
first we havent seen much of tobi using the rinnegan yet...so we also dont know if he is able to "use the rinnegan so effectively" ...on the other hand he would be a dissapointment as the "most powerfull villain" if he didnt.
second: lets say nagato was some kind of prototype (just like yamato) and tobi just wanted to see if nagatos (senju-) body could even handle the eyes and (if he would handle them) to what an extend he would be able to use em.... then he already would have some data he can base the power of the rinnegan on.
I mean Tobi can effectively coordinate the use of the rinnegan and sharingan, when he controlled the other 7 bijuus with his chakra. And also control the demon statue too. I think he can use rinnegan. I think that special chain jutsu he used similar to kushina is a result of using the rinnegan as with the rinnegan can do all jutsus. i think he can use it or else he won't be much of match to naruto.
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