Naruto Manga 399 - Spoilers/Predictions
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omg if sasuke joins akatsuki that would be crazy, and if madara sends him after naruto that will lead to sasuke joining up with konoha agin cuz naruto will finally convince sasuke to come back. then they would have to work together to beat madara and pein.
HokagePein
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Intresting chapter , we learn that Itachi was ordered to kill his clan i hope Kishi has his head straight at the moment ehehe , anyway so in my opinion the 3rd knew but definitely didnt order him to kill his Clan the elders who know would not care if the clan died they only care about Konoha and a whole , Danzou if he did the orders it makes sense , as for some people who said he looks like his brother ive mentioned it before it looks like it but its most likely Madara , and lets not forget Itachi well we found out he did it but to protect and also Madara helped him comon they talked about this before Itachi said you cant kil the person who helped me or something like that so Sasuke before he does anything he needs to kill that other person also. Konoha is upsetting me a lot now that i find out more things i hope there fake , and as for the 3rd if u think maybe he did know about it and just couldnt say no it was up to Itachi because maybe Uchiha wanted to take over but its still iffy, and the 3rd remember is great but at the same time he let the other village threaten him when they wanted the leader of the Byukagen clan or what ever when Neji's dad killed himself the 3rd didnt do anything
The probability that Tobi/Madara is lying at the moment is essentially 0 given our current information. Why? We can look at it both from a plot and plot-design perspective.
Plot-Design:
Why give us a whole, giant, multi-chapter LIE? That would only make sense if it was super dramatic and could have rediculous ramifications later. The "lies" Madara are telling now would only increase the gap between them, as Sasuke isn't about to join his clan's murderer. If he had lied and said he wasn't involved, THEN he could have had a chance at Sasuke.
Plot-
Think about it. What is the ONLY other reason given for why Itachi killed his family? "To measure my container." That translates to, roughly, "To see if I could."
Well, he admitted to Sasuke that Madara HELPED HIM. Know what that makes his previous statement? A LIE. If he was being helped, he wasn't identifying his capabilities.
This is the only other explanation being offered for why Itachi did it, and several chapters are being dedicated to it.
Not to mention that it never made sense (until now) why Itachi stopped fighting his cousins and father that one day when Sasuke pleaded with him. Or why he brotherly poked his brother's forehead right before dying. Or how he went to talk with Naruto? How about when he cried after hearing that Sasuke died? Wouldn't you think, if he cared so much about Sasuke's eyes, that he would have gone to fight Sasuke right away instead of letting Deidara go and risk them being injured in the fight?
Sasuke's overall strength wouldn't have mattered if all Itachi wanted were the eyes. Factor in how he gave Sasuke his techniques and designed a protective system for Sasuke using them.
Yeah. Madara is SO lying... *rolls eyes*
Fricken' Fanboys...
And for people pointing out that Sarutobi wouldn't do that? Actually, he probably would have. He was a peace-loving man, but he was also a ninja. He was considered to be one of the most powerful shinobi of all time and was the Hokage during a war with the sand when Kakashi was a boy.
There is something about the Uchiha clan that we don't know; that is painfully obvious. Nothing about them adds up. Why is it, that if Madara (their leader) was such an enemy of Konoha and the First Hokage was their enemy, they became the Konoha police force?
Why did they need so many clan meetings, which Itachi was terrible at attending?
We see when they are fighting Itachi that the 'thugs' in the police force barely even know the law, and call for Itachi's arrest and interogation because someone with a Sharingan could have possibly forged a suicide note. Last I checked, the clan was FILLED with Sharingan users. Not to mention that they randomly don't know that they cannot arrest an ANBU.
Itachi served directly under the Hokage, yet the clan was incredibly angry when ANBU missions kept him from attending their meetings. Shouldn't such a powerful, respected clan know that Itachi's first duty was to Konoha and his mission?
If the Uchihas were involved in the Kyuubi attack that nearly decimated the village and cost the life of a Hokage and cursed his son, I think he might be pissed enough to have them punished. Especially considering that peace could have been impossible if the Uchiha's plans were accomplished.
Sarutobi is a warrior like everyone else. He fights for the greater good. If that meant killing the Uchiha clan, of course he would have done it. And he would have done it silently so that Konoha didn't destabilize worrying about the major clans.
Sarutobi never stopped clans from creating side families or offering them up as sacrifices so that the main branch would live, such as with Neji's father.
He may have been a peace-loving man, but he was a fool. You can see it with how he was with Naruto. Instead of teaching Naruto and personally interacting with him along with the village, he put a taboo on the Kyuubi attack. Had he been more proactive, Naruto probably would have grown up in a much more caring environment.
Ever notice how, when Naruto thinks about the "bonds" he has made, the Third is never first? First comes Iruka-Sensei, then Kakashi-Sensei, then Sasuke/Sakura then the Third with the kids from Konoha.
Had Sarutobi been more responsible, Orochimaru never would have become the power-hungry man he was. As his teacher, Sarutobi could have prevented that.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Third. But he was a fool.
Plot-Design:
Why give us a whole, giant, multi-chapter LIE? That would only make sense if it was super dramatic and could have rediculous ramifications later. The "lies" Madara are telling now would only increase the gap between them, as Sasuke isn't about to join his clan's murderer. If he had lied and said he wasn't involved, THEN he could have had a chance at Sasuke.
Plot-
Think about it. What is the ONLY other reason given for why Itachi killed his family? "To measure my container." That translates to, roughly, "To see if I could."
Well, he admitted to Sasuke that Madara HELPED HIM. Know what that makes his previous statement? A LIE. If he was being helped, he wasn't identifying his capabilities.
This is the only other explanation being offered for why Itachi did it, and several chapters are being dedicated to it.
Not to mention that it never made sense (until now) why Itachi stopped fighting his cousins and father that one day when Sasuke pleaded with him. Or why he brotherly poked his brother's forehead right before dying. Or how he went to talk with Naruto? How about when he cried after hearing that Sasuke died? Wouldn't you think, if he cared so much about Sasuke's eyes, that he would have gone to fight Sasuke right away instead of letting Deidara go and risk them being injured in the fight?
Sasuke's overall strength wouldn't have mattered if all Itachi wanted were the eyes. Factor in how he gave Sasuke his techniques and designed a protective system for Sasuke using them.
Yeah. Madara is SO lying... *rolls eyes*
Fricken' Fanboys...
And for people pointing out that Sarutobi wouldn't do that? Actually, he probably would have. He was a peace-loving man, but he was also a ninja. He was considered to be one of the most powerful shinobi of all time and was the Hokage during a war with the sand when Kakashi was a boy.
There is something about the Uchiha clan that we don't know; that is painfully obvious. Nothing about them adds up. Why is it, that if Madara (their leader) was such an enemy of Konoha and the First Hokage was their enemy, they became the Konoha police force?
Why did they need so many clan meetings, which Itachi was terrible at attending?
We see when they are fighting Itachi that the 'thugs' in the police force barely even know the law, and call for Itachi's arrest and interogation because someone with a Sharingan could have possibly forged a suicide note. Last I checked, the clan was FILLED with Sharingan users. Not to mention that they randomly don't know that they cannot arrest an ANBU.
Itachi served directly under the Hokage, yet the clan was incredibly angry when ANBU missions kept him from attending their meetings. Shouldn't such a powerful, respected clan know that Itachi's first duty was to Konoha and his mission?
If the Uchihas were involved in the Kyuubi attack that nearly decimated the village and cost the life of a Hokage and cursed his son, I think he might be pissed enough to have them punished. Especially considering that peace could have been impossible if the Uchiha's plans were accomplished.
Sarutobi is a warrior like everyone else. He fights for the greater good. If that meant killing the Uchiha clan, of course he would have done it. And he would have done it silently so that Konoha didn't destabilize worrying about the major clans.
Sarutobi never stopped clans from creating side families or offering them up as sacrifices so that the main branch would live, such as with Neji's father.
He may have been a peace-loving man, but he was a fool. You can see it with how he was with Naruto. Instead of teaching Naruto and personally interacting with him along with the village, he put a taboo on the Kyuubi attack. Had he been more proactive, Naruto probably would have grown up in a much more caring environment.
Ever notice how, when Naruto thinks about the "bonds" he has made, the Third is never first? First comes Iruka-Sensei, then Kakashi-Sensei, then Sasuke/Sakura then the Third with the kids from Konoha.
Had Sarutobi been more responsible, Orochimaru never would have become the power-hungry man he was. As his teacher, Sarutobi could have prevented that.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Third. But he was a fool.
If Madara is successful in turning Sasuke to the dark robe of the Akatsuki, then we can assume that they will want to kidnap Naruto to get the MS controllable Kyubi, or the Kyubi juice so they can crush the Leaf Village. It would be an interesting plot twist if Naruto and team went from trying to rescue Sasuke to being ordered to actively hunt him down. Poor Naruto. Not only is Sasuke's world being turned upside down, Naruto's is as well.
XxRed_AngelzxX
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Is it possible that the Uchiha clan was a big threat in the past thats why someone ordered Itachi to kill his clan and if Madara helped him does that make him a good guy
ok but i think danzou is in the masacre too
Itachi's father said that, as ANBU served directly under the Hokage, the police force couldn't touch him without a warrant. Considering the fact that Danzou lost in his quet to be Hokage and created Root as a result, it is safe to say that Itachi was in the normal ANBU.
It would be a poor choice of events for the Naruto writers if Madara is lying, as Sasuke's quest to deal with his family and try to forgive Itachi offers WAY more character development than him just going "okay" and joining Akatsuki. Then realizing Madara did lie and killing him.
Madara is basically bridging a gap so that Sasuke's story can move past the "must kill Itachi" phase it has been trapped in for the past two hundred manga chapters. In the beginning, he said that he had two goals. But he has only focused on one for awhile now. We are finally bringing the clan back into the picture so that Sasuke can eventually return to Konoha.
I just hope we get rid of Snake in the process. -.- I only like Jugo (a kind and caring hulk-esque guy looking for a cure <3). Karin needs to lay off the hormone pills and Suigetsu needs to stop being so creepy.
I want team 7 back, where Sai will be the fourth member. Unfortunately, that does mean that Tenzou and Kakashi cannot be in it anymore, but oh well. Kakashi should go on a date with Iruka instead....
Itachi's father said that, as ANBU served directly under the Hokage, the police force couldn't touch him without a warrant. Considering the fact that Danzou lost in his quet to be Hokage and created Root as a result, it is safe to say that Itachi was in the normal ANBU.
It would be a poor choice of events for the Naruto writers if Madara is lying, as Sasuke's quest to deal with his family and try to forgive Itachi offers WAY more character development than him just going "okay" and joining Akatsuki. Then realizing Madara did lie and killing him.
Madara is basically bridging a gap so that Sasuke's story can move past the "must kill Itachi" phase it has been trapped in for the past two hundred manga chapters. In the beginning, he said that he had two goals. But he has only focused on one for awhile now. We are finally bringing the clan back into the picture so that Sasuke can eventually return to Konoha.
I just hope we get rid of Snake in the process. -.- I only like Jugo (a kind and caring hulk-esque guy looking for a cure <3). Karin needs to lay off the hormone pills and Suigetsu needs to stop being so creepy.
I want team 7 back, where Sai will be the fourth member. Unfortunately, that does mean that Tenzou and Kakashi cannot be in it anymore, but oh well. Kakashi should go on a date with Iruka instead....
yeah i agree. the next chapter is called "the sorrow of that day" so its gunna be about maybe the fight with shodaime and madara and maybe why itachi was ordered to kil his clan. but after all this news i hope they get back to naruto and the gang cuz all this uchiha stuff is clogging my arteries
XxRed_AngelzxX
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You know for a fact that Sarutobi wouldn't kill a clan? Even if that clan had put all of Konoha in danger for the chance to take over? Or if they had other plans in motion?
Honestly, the only "innocent" members of the Uchiha clan we have ever seen are:
-Sasuke's/Itachi's Mother (presumedly not born an Uchiha)
-Sasuke/Young (older brother style) Itachi
-Aunt and Uncle (who were such minor characters anyway. And the fact that they ran a bakery suggests that neither were very gifted shinobi)
And, just to point out, Madara said that the only ones that knew were Sarutobi, Danzou and the two elders. That could easily mean that the other three assigned the mission and Sarutobi found out later.
The fact of the matter is that there is a big gaping hole in the Sasuke/Itachi story that this "lie" fills a little too well.
When I first saw the two brothers together in the flash backs, my thoughts actually were, "How in the world could a brother that seems so caring all the time turn out so evil?"
Even his "final" act of defiance was interuppted by Sasuke's attempt to stop it.
Itachi's actions just don't add up on their own. Why did he lie to Sasuke when he did it? Why not just tell him that an order from his new master made him do it? We know that Madara helped, and that he taught Itachi the secrets of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Why would Itachi go to such lengths to make himself the sole focus of Sasuke's wrath? Even more importantly, why would he have let Sasuke live? And before you say, "for his eyes," consider something.
In their recent battle, Itachi is trying to take Sasuke's eyes, even though he hasn't awoken the Mangekyou Sharingan. If he didn't need Sasuke to awaken it, why in the world wouldn't he have just taken it from young Sasuke and keep himself from ever going blind in the first place? Why make Sasuke grow in strength?
If Itachi's main goal was to protect Sasuke, that makes sense. Maybe it was just me, but I predicted a chain of events similar to this way, way back. One of my Narunerd friends actually got mad at me last chapter because I am, "always right."
(I'm that guy who whispers in your ear twenty minutes into the movie how it will end, and am right 9/10 times.)
The, "I am the villain, gill me nowz!!!11!one!11!" thing just isn't stylish enough for Naruto. Think about it for a second. How many villains, in the grand scheme of things, have died being truly evil in the Naruto universe. Don't nearly all of them have a change of heart or back-story (usually regarding one they care about... or Naruto) in the end?
We have Haku/Zabuza, a variety of filler characters, that crazy guy with the bombs, Kabuto (though he is quite insane, and needs to stop acting cool when killing bees...), that other swordsman of the mist who has the little boy, Kimmimaru, etc.
No major villain (and most minor) have such one sided characters as "I want my brother's eyes so I killed my family."
It has to be something more. And it CLEARLY is.
Madara has NO reason to lie, especially considering the fact that the lie he is telling won't really help his position. Sasuke still knows that Madara is also responsible, and will not be joining him any time soon.
Honestly, the only "innocent" members of the Uchiha clan we have ever seen are:
-Sasuke's/Itachi's Mother (presumedly not born an Uchiha)
-Sasuke/Young (older brother style) Itachi
-Aunt and Uncle (who were such minor characters anyway. And the fact that they ran a bakery suggests that neither were very gifted shinobi)
And, just to point out, Madara said that the only ones that knew were Sarutobi, Danzou and the two elders. That could easily mean that the other three assigned the mission and Sarutobi found out later.
The fact of the matter is that there is a big gaping hole in the Sasuke/Itachi story that this "lie" fills a little too well.
When I first saw the two brothers together in the flash backs, my thoughts actually were, "How in the world could a brother that seems so caring all the time turn out so evil?"
Even his "final" act of defiance was interuppted by Sasuke's attempt to stop it.
Itachi's actions just don't add up on their own. Why did he lie to Sasuke when he did it? Why not just tell him that an order from his new master made him do it? We know that Madara helped, and that he taught Itachi the secrets of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Why would Itachi go to such lengths to make himself the sole focus of Sasuke's wrath? Even more importantly, why would he have let Sasuke live? And before you say, "for his eyes," consider something.
In their recent battle, Itachi is trying to take Sasuke's eyes, even though he hasn't awoken the Mangekyou Sharingan. If he didn't need Sasuke to awaken it, why in the world wouldn't he have just taken it from young Sasuke and keep himself from ever going blind in the first place? Why make Sasuke grow in strength?
If Itachi's main goal was to protect Sasuke, that makes sense. Maybe it was just me, but I predicted a chain of events similar to this way, way back. One of my Narunerd friends actually got mad at me last chapter because I am, "always right."
(I'm that guy who whispers in your ear twenty minutes into the movie how it will end, and am right 9/10 times.)
The, "I am the villain, gill me nowz!!!11!one!11!" thing just isn't stylish enough for Naruto. Think about it for a second. How many villains, in the grand scheme of things, have died being truly evil in the Naruto universe. Don't nearly all of them have a change of heart or back-story (usually regarding one they care about... or Naruto) in the end?
We have Haku/Zabuza, a variety of filler characters, that crazy guy with the bombs, Kabuto (though he is quite insane, and needs to stop acting cool when killing bees...), that other swordsman of the mist who has the little boy, Kimmimaru, etc.
No major villain (and most minor) have such one sided characters as "I want my brother's eyes so I killed my family."
It has to be something more. And it CLEARLY is.
Madara has NO reason to lie, especially considering the fact that the lie he is telling won't really help his position. Sasuke still knows that Madara is also responsible, and will not be joining him any time soon.
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I explaned how kakashi got ms in the old thingamajig narutobase but now its gone and i dont feel like posting it again
So...........Versuvio can u like copy and paste that first post thing that i made in the "How Kakashi Got Mangekyou Sharingan" forum in the old narutobase here so they can all see it if they havent already or can u just PM it to me after pasting it...if thats not too much to ask
the third couldn't do shit about hiashi or hizashi hizashi wanted to die because he wanted to chose his own path for once. Sarutobi had no say in that because even if he did like the gezzer said "this is why we have branch families" weather the 3rd wanted to or not hizashi would still go and die hiashi didn't want it either but he got knocked out quick.
When it's clan affaris nobody can but in but this is different this is saying bascially the third isresponsible for the massacre because he made itachi kill them all he ordered them which i know for fact sarutobi would never do.
When it's clan affaris nobody can but in but this is different this is saying bascially the third isresponsible for the massacre because he made itachi kill them all he ordered them which i know for fact sarutobi would never do.
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