[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[Deidera]

TOBI is eithe Kagami or a new character called Nagato.

 

[Aze]

TOBI is eithe Kagami or a new character called Nagato.

There could be 2 Nagatos around there?​

 

[Edge]

WTH Chief never did i once say Tobi was Nawaki, READ THE DAMN POSTS CORRECTLY!!!!

I never once said Tobi is Nawaki, I used him as the experiment in which Orochimara obtained Hashirama's DNA. My only 2 theories are Obito & Danzou, always have been, always will be. You guys need to read with context, & not just skim for names, which is obviously what you did smh....

Again I REPEAT, stop skimming my posts & actually read what is written. Why would I make such a strong build around Obito & Danzou then say O YEA he's Nawaki too, really smh... You guys continue to say it's Izuna, 1 person who has survived over 200 years, fought against the 4th Hokage, & is still alive & well?.... okay

-__- Now you reappear & say my theory is based off the masks' colors?.... I only said the colors because most of the people that think of tobi think of only the spiral mask one. I really don't even have to say the colors but they help detail who exactly I'm referring to;
Yellow or Tiger Stripe - Minato Era\Danzou
Orange or Spiral - Beginning Of Shippuden Era\Obito
Lavendar or Sharinnegan - Current Shippuden Era\Obito

& PANELS!?!? Really?! It's quite obvious that when Tobi meets Itachi it didn't take place right after he spoke to Danzou. Being on the same page does not mean it takes place at the same time, you can't be that dense....

I for 1 don't think Nawaki is Tobi but his DNA was used to enhance Danzou & Tobi who was/is Tobi

Ummmm how does that tie back to Setsuna? lol

& For those who still say "0moi believes Danzou is Tobi" , basically saying I believe Danzou is the only person who has been behind the masks all along.... PLEASE STOP READING\REPLYING TO MY POSTS. It's obvious you haven't been paying attention....

I guess you just can't reason with the ignorant. You still haven't answered how Danzou grew a few feet taller and why he put on a wig, or furthermore, a mask.

 

[Deidera]

There could be 2 Nagatos around there?​

Yes, Why?because maybe Madara knew Tobi(Nagato.Maybe that was his son) then gave him his eyes right before he died.Instead of following the plan with reviving him after growing up ,he decided to call himself Madara and get an Uzumaki kid who could have enough chakra to hold the rinnegan called Nagato or name him just like maybe his father(Madara? did). So he decided to be his father(Madara?) and get or name a kid called Nagato to develop his rinegaan so that he would be able to revive him(Tobi).At the end of the day Tobi didn't follow the plan by reviving his father after developing his R powers,he gave it to a little kid.
That's only if Tobi is not Kagami.

 

[Aze]

I guess you just can't reason with the ignorant. You still haven't answered how Danzou grew a few feet taller and why he put on a wig, or furthermore, a mask.

Valid point + rep.​

 

[WhistleBlower]

the most logical theory is Izuna and maybe Kagami but i see no reason for Kagami ...so Izuna+some zetsu shit=Tobi ..

haha finally someone who makes sense of who is tobi, literally you just took the words straight outta my mouth! DAMN!

 

[Aze]

haha finally someone who makes sense of who is tobi, literally you just took the words straight outta my mouth! DAMN!

Yup , it will be a plot Twist.


Since it seems to me , that Tobi and Madara and strongly related.

And most likely Madara Taught Izuna = How to ressurect himself after being dead or something.


Since Madara stated Izunas death as "After" my brother died.

It should be "When" my brother died = he left me hes eyes.


So it means , that Izuna was revived by Rinne Tensei.

And Madara geting rinnegan whole purpose = was to revive hes brother.


To Madara Izuna was everything.​

 

[DrPotato]

Tobirama is inside Death God's stomach ... we have seen how he died in manga, they were ambushed by too many enemies and he has used himself as a decoy.
Also Tobi had almost no intel on Edo Tensei before Kabuto has explained it to him ...
Also there's no reason for him to want his own village destroyed

well ...i got to admit that u have a point with the "Edo Tensei explanation from kabuto thing" ...but i have never seen any passage in the manga were we actually SEE that the second dies ...he only used himself as an decoy ...ever since he appears to just have vanished (as said without any witnesses of his death) we cant say for sure that he actually died ... and for the whole deathgod-sealing thing ...which by all means seems to be plausible for thinking that Tobirama cant be tobi... we still dont know if there is some exploit via ST-Ninjutsu or the Edo-Tensei itself (which he must know alot bout as he created it) to counter Self-Ressurection or "Soul Binding".

 

[Sasuke2]

Tobirama was a good person ... Tobi is 100% an Uchiha and the most sense makes Izuna.

 

[0moi]

I guess you just can't reason with the ignorant. You still haven't answered how Danzou grew a few feet taller and why he put on a wig, or furthermore, a mask.

@Omoi, how old are you if may I ask ?
Nawaki was Hashirama's grandson ... he didn't have Wood Release or shit.

Chief once you start using height as an excuse of how my theory makes no sense that tells me you're out of ammo, & the same could be said about Izuna. Why is he wearing a mask?.... Oh wait I got it, IT'S A DAMN DISGUISE!!!! Why would Izuna need a mask? Answer me that. Apparently people know Danzou's face, guess what?.... wear a damn mask. & stop saying their voices are different you can't hear a manga chief

What does my age have to do with anything? If your implying my age shows my intelligence then you are sadly mistaken. Knowledge defines intelligence not age.... & how do you know Nawaki didn't have "Wood Release or shit" he died at like 12 if I recall as a genin the manga\anime never displayed his talents all they showed was his similarity to Naruto when I came to becoming Hokage.

It's obvious that you both are die hard Izuna theorists[probably not a word] & I respect that, but also respect my theories as well. Edge your constant bully banter shows me that you're really just riding the real Izuna theorists' coat tails, all you're doing is letting them post facts, then you insult the others who disagree. You're that guy at the break dance battle lets his crew dance then you pop out & say "DAAAAAAMN you suckas just got served".... It's actually quite pathetic smh

 

[cozolinofly]

Chief once you start using height as an excuse of how my theory makes no sense that tells me you're out of ammo, & the same could be said about Izuna. Why is he wearing a mask?.... Oh wait I got it, IT'S A DAMN DISGUISE!!!! Why would Izuna need a mask? Answer me that. Apparently people know Danzou's face, guess what?.... wear a damn mask. & stop saying their voices are different you can't hear a manga chief

What does my age have to do with anything? If your implying my age shows my intelligence then you are sadly mistaken. Knowledge defines intelligence not age.... & how do you know Nawaki didn't have "Wood Release or shit" he died at like 12 if I recall as a genin the manga\anime never displayed his talents all they showed was his similarity to Naruto when I came to becoming Hokage.

It's obvious that you both are die hard Izuna theorists[probably not a word] & I respect that, but also respect my theories as well. Edge your constant bully banter shows me that you're really just riding the real Izuna theorists' coat tails, all you're doing is letting them post facts, then you insult the others who disagree. You're that guy at the break dance battle lets his crew dance then you pop out & say "DAAAAAAMN you suckas just got served".... It's actually quite pathetic smh

again you are dumb,but look here Madara is more than a name,is POWER ...i hope you understand why Tobi wears a mask and why he may be Izuna

 

[0moi]

again you are dumb,but look here Madara is more than a name,is POWER ...i hope you understand why Tobi wears a mask and why he may be Izuna

\:- I We're talking about Tobi.... you do realize Madara isn't Tobi right.....? You're in the same category with Edge
You stated no facts, just said "you are dumb.... he may be Izuna" ....

well ...i got to admit that u have a point with the "Edo Tensei explanation from kabuto thing" ...but i have never seen any passage in the manga were we actually SEE that the second dies ...he only used himself as an decoy ...ever since he appears to just have vanished (as said without any witnesses of his death) we cant say for sure that he actually died ... and for the whole deathgod-sealing thing ...which by all means seems to be plausible for thinking that Tobirama cant be tobi... we still dont know if there is some exploit via ST-Ninjutsu or the Edo-Tensei itself (which he must know alot bout as he created it) to counter Self-Ressurection or "Soul Binding".

:sy: Chief "The Real" Tobirama Senju died battling the Kinkaku Force of Kumogakure. He was used, along with his brother Hashirama Senju, by Orochimaru who revived them using Reanimation Jutsu to battle Hiruzen Sarutobi, their pupil. Hiruzen Sarutobi sealed them & himself using Reaper Death Seal, thus sealing them away forever..... Tobirama Senju did indeed die, not just "vanished".....

So it is safe to say;
Tobirama Senju died
Tobirama Senju was sealed away FOREVER
Tobirama Senju is not Tobi

 

[cozolinofly]

\:- I We're talking about Tobi.... you do realize Madara isn't Tobi right.....? You're in the same category with Edge
You stated no facts, just said "you are dumb.... he may be Izuna" ....

:sy: Chief "The Real" Tobirama Senju died battling the Kinkaku Force of Kumogakure. He was used, along with his brother Hashirama Senju, by Orochimaru who revived them using Reanimation Jutsu to battle Hiruzen Sarutobi, their pupil. Hiruzen Sarutobi sealed them & himself using Reaper Death Seal, thus sealing them away forever..... Tobirama Senju did indeed die, not just "vanished".....

So it is safe to say;
Tobirama Senju died
Tobirama Senju was sealed away FOREVER
Tobirama Senju is not Tobi

as i said you are clearly dumb Madara=power ... Izuna takes his brother name under a mask only for people to fear him because Izuna was just the brother of Madara and nothing else ..:sy: oh and btw you are dumb:| oh and btw i don't care who Tobi is but when i see guys like you throwing with Danzo and Obito all around i feel like im too smart for this world.Im just stating the facts and the logic in all this Tobi theory Izuna=LOGIC ....Danzo=NOT LOGIC ..got it? want me to repeat? want facts about Izuna ? Reasons:he has and PLENTY
How is alive?:Madara ressurected him with rinnegan
How he has Sharingan:He took some random ones from someone and did some shityy experiments with zetsu craps.

Just ask something about Izuna being tobi and i will 100% answer you if not just shut up and please stop asking about facts or just check alexxu Theory again

 

[venuboppudi]

The world shall bow before me

you know there are three sage modes

1. Mount Myōboku

2. Ryūchi Cave

3. Shikkotsu Forest

we already know two of them and the third is?

1.naruto jiraiya student (frog)

2.kabuto oro accomplice (snake)

3.... ..... tsunade (slug)

(i took the following lines from other thread coz before reading that i didn't know the meaning of Shikkotsu Forest)
I assume the Bone Forest is related to slugs.
Well, slugs are somewhat snails without the shell, like a human without its bones and well the forest is the perfect damp environement.

The soft, slimy bodies of slugs are prone to desiccation, so land-living slugs are confined to moist environments and must retreat to damp hiding places when the weather is dry.

well u know tsunade is slug princess
does it ring any bells?

it's tobi, he sheds his body, his abilities with earth water (Zetsu) relates to above lines.
I think he must be related to tsunade. tobi can become intangible & in one manga sakura says he may be partly erasing his body like that, so he is changing his body like katsui or integrating it with surroundings
Last edited by venuboppudi; Today at 11:38 PM..

 

[hwrdprkns]

I don't see what motive Tobi has if he's Izuna... What would want to make him want to destroy the Leaf so badly?

Acutally, never mind just destroy the leaf, Tobi wants to take over the WORLD.

 

[DrPotato]

The world shall bow before me

you know there are three sage modes

1. Mount Myōboku

2. Ryūchi Cave

3. Shikkotsu Forest

we already know two of them and the third is?

1.naruto jiraiya student (frog)

2.kabuto oro accomplice (snake)

3.... ..... tsunade (slug)

(i took the following lines from other thread coz before reading that i didn't know the meaning of Shikkotsu Forest)
I assume the Bone Forest is related to slugs.
Well, slugs are somewhat snails without the shell, like a human without its bones and well the forest is the perfect damp environement.

The soft, slimy bodies of slugs are prone to desiccation, so land-living slugs are confined to moist environments and must retreat to damp hiding places when the weather is dry.

well u know tsunade is slug princess
does it ring any bells?

it's tobi, he sheds his body, his abilities with earth water (Zetsu) relates to above lines.
I think he must be related to tsunade. tobi can become intangible & in one manga sakura says he may be partly erasing his body like that, so he is changing his body like katsui or integrating it with surroundings
Last edited by venuboppudi; Today at 11:38 PM..

definitely an interessting assumption ...on the other hand we already know that tobi has altered his body do be able to bare uchiha and senju bloodlines in order to obtain the rinnegan ....it can therefore also be possible that he is using some kind of orochimarus DNA 2 to something similar to oros regenerative abilities....tbh i already think that tobi is some kind of huge genetically altered freak (mby even some of tobiramas genes to get his ST-ninjutsu) .....that would also kinda fit with himself saying that he is "noone"

 

[Aze]

Didnt Kishi sayed , that 3 ppl joined the Akatsuki and one of them is relative to a Hokage?

Tobi could be Tsunades relative or something?

 

[Edge]

Chief once you start using height as an excuse of how my theory makes no sense that tells me you're out of ammo, & the same could be said about Izuna. Why is he wearing a mask?.... Oh wait I got it, IT'S A DAMN DISGUISE!!!! Why would Izuna need a mask? Answer me that. Apparently people know Danzou's face, guess what?.... wear a damn mask. & stop saying their voices are different you can't hear a manga chief

You haven't answered my question "chief". That's a surefire way to know you've won a debate, when the other side refuses to argue your points and moves on to something even more pathetic.

Tobi (applicable to all theories, not only Izuna) is wearing a mask, BECAUSE HE'S HALF-HUMAN, HALF-ZETSU. Surely this may also include his face, which is why when Tobi fought Konan, the left-hand side of his face was still darkened out even when the mask was cracked off. I trust you aren't ignorant enough to deny he's made out of an inhuman substance, or do I have to pull up pages from the manga?

Tobi and Danzou have different voice actors, so yes I can hear them. Furthermore, you'd expect Itachi to recognize Danzo's voice, having just talked to him earlier IN THE SAME CHAPTER.

Explain to me how I'm out of ammo? I'm waiting for you to explain how "Danzo" grew taller and more hair.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Didnt Kishi sayed , that 3 ppl joined the Akatsuki and one of them is relative to a Hokage?

Tobi could be Tsunades relative or something?

More like Minato. See my theory from earlier (405). He is wearing the mask because he doesn't want to see another man's face in his reflection (it would be confusing and annoying), and by the way the Kishimoto's trolling over Tobi isn't done. The current host will be revealed before we get to the truth of who Tobi is. Also forgot to mention it in the theory, but after you read it should be obvious why he regrets that he had to confront Shikamaru on the battlefield.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Who Tobi is?
Answer
He isn't an Uzumaki
He was able to recognize a Contract Seal, a Reverse Four Symbols Seal and we all know fuinnjutsu is what Uzumaki were known for. however he was also able to recognize Torune's insects, Edo Tensei and Danzo's seal on Sasuke, Susanoo, Kakashi's Kamui, so this may just be his general knowledge on techniques, his hair isn't red, his chakra isn't particularly powerful, he is most likely an Uchiha given his intricate knowledge on the dojutsu and the clan's history.
He isn't a Senju
Senjus were known for great skill in different kinds of techniques, he depends mostly on the Sharingan and his Space Time technique which is most likely a Mangekyo technique so he's most likely not a Senju. Also if he were a Senju he wouldn't need Hashirama's Senju's cells.
He isn't from an random clan since he's so knowledgeable on the Rikudo Sage and the three clans that descended from him so....
CONCLUSION: He is an UCHIHA

Which Uchiha....let's find out.
Since he knew Madara, and we all know Madara died young as seen from his appearance when revived as an Edo Tensei, he must be either Madara's age or around Danzo, Onoki and Sarutobi's age since they are the only generation old enough to know Madara's generation, he is also very old as seen from the wrinkles on his face and the fact that he called Konan(who would be nearing 40) a child, the only Uchiha's that fit this age bracket are:
Madara
Izuna
Kagami
Elder son of the Sage.


Madara is dead as seen from his revival as an Edo Tensei.
Izuna is dead as seen from his dead body in a coffin, added to the fact that he and Tobi have different hair colour.
Elder son of the Sage would probably be too powerful to need help in capturing bijuu and would have a more vast arsenal of jutsu as the son of the most powerful human to ever walk the earth, he would also know the nine tailed beasts by name.
The only option left is Kagami, how could Kagami be Tobi?
Here are the facts----
He has Tobi's hairstyle and color.
He had a bag under his eye even when he was young and Tobi has bags under his eye.
He knew Hashirama and Madara as seen from the fact that he was old enough to witness Tobirama sacrifice himself and appoint Hiruzen as Hokage. He knew that generation.
According to the databook he hated the Uchiha clan and revolted against the Senju's rule so he has motive for using Kurama to attack Konoha. And this could be why he allied with Madara.

NOW HOW DOES NAGATO AND MADARA COME INTO THE MIX?????
MY THEORY

He must have known Madara as a kid and agreed with his hatred for the Senju and Hashirama. Madara must have told him his story with Izuna through genjutsu and then how to awaken the Mangekyo Sharingan which then allowed him to read the tablet to an extent as well. He kept his Mangekyo a secret from the rest of the Uchiha clan so as not to draw attention. When Madara left the village, he stayed behind to act as a spy for him. I think he may have helped Madara locate Kurama since we all know Tobi can find anything he wants which is why Kurama when he saw him knew him. When Madara fought against Hashirama and lost, he took Madara and treated his injuries, implanted Hashirama's cells in both himself and Madara, however only Madara awakened the Rinnegan. He kept on as a normal Uchiha in the village and grew up to oppose the Senju's rule along with other Uchihas but it was too late, as Madara warned. The injuries from the battle with Hashirama were slowly killing Madara, but Madara continue to train and master the Rinnegan. When Madara was between 40-50 years old, he found a baby Uzumaki by the name of Nagato in Amegakure and after his death, Tobi(Kagami) transplanted his eye into the baby in the hopes that he would be able to awaken the Rinnegan and revive Madara. In the meantime, Kagami faked his death during the Second Shinobi World War and went into the shadows. Nagato grew up and found Yahiko and Konan and they formed Akatsuki, Tobi(Kagami) may have been one of the founders of the organisation since he claimed to have spurred Yahiko. After Yahiko's death, he revealed himself to Nagato and Konan as Uchiha Madara, warped their idealogy to use to his own benefit and they joined with him. He then set his sights on Kirigakure and controlled the jinchuuriki of the Three Tails with genjutsu, how he did this I do not know but I have a theory that he genjutsu'd the Three Tails before it was sealed into Yagura then genjutsu'd Yagura. Its possible since Minato saw it fit to remove Kurama from Tobi's control before he sealed in into Naruto meaning if he had just sealed it then Kurama would still be under Tobi's control. With the power of the Three Tails, Yagura became Mizukage in no time. However, the genjutsu was discovered and somehow Tobi lost control of both Yagura and the Three Tails, my guess is when the genjutsu was discovered Yagura was killed since Kirigakure did not want the Three Tails to fall into enemy control, so that the bijuu would be later revived on its own elsewhere. OR Yagura killed himself or Tobi made Yagura release the bijuu in that river. Anyways, his dealing with Danzo are in my other thread My Uchiha Massacre Theory