Kimimaro vs Asuma

[ElectricClover]

Wut? When has it ever been controlled? It's not sand that can be controlled at will. It's a spine that he uses for a weapon. Ok, if he does that Asuma has a huge opening and decapitates Kimi.

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Here's him wrapping it around Gaara. I don't think being bound so he can't move his arms gives Asuma an opening.

Yeah, it can just completely block Kimimaro's vision so he can't see anything or anything. Since when was surviving pressure equal to surviving an explosion in his face?

Since when does Kimimaro need to see? He just walks right out of the ash cloud like he did all of Gaara's burials, only easier. Ash cloud isn't exactly an explosion and if you think it's stronger than Gaara's sand crushing your body in a second then we need to talk.

The way his other katons would have killed Chouji and instantly killed Chouji's mask by just moving to collide with it tells me that you need to stop downplaying Asuma, and he just has good durability. Nah, they can't be deflected by Asuma or anything. What's Kimimaro's counter to Asuma throwing his knives at long range? There isn't one? Alright, thanks.

The mask was lightning and hit by wind. That means Asuma's attack was strong on it, not strong. So you think Asuma can counter bullets? This isn't Black Cat and he's not slicing them out of the air either. You still have no response to them. Knives at long range are nothing to Kimimaro, he can just dodge them. Asuma only has two anyway, and I doubt he would risk throwing both. So Kimi just has to avoid a single knife that really is no faster than its normal brethren, just sharper. Knives can't even be thrown that far in any case, being short range weapons. Anyway,if we're going with a knives vs bullets battle here I think we know the outcome.

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And let's ignore Asuma soloing 10 chunin levels
...and Asuma fighting on par with Hidan
....and Asuma's fuuton effortlessly decapitating him and having superiority to his bones
etcetcetcetc.

Those chunin were fodder current Tenten could kill. Hidan isn't exactly So6P, he's not that hard to fight (by the way he killed Asuma so I wouldn't say that they're on par lol). That last one is completely nonfactual. You have no evidence that Asuma's blades can slice Kimimaro's bones, especially since Kimi's bones have been seen to cut chakra blades, but hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that Kimimaro just dodges them. We've seen his taijutsu. As for superiority... I'd like to see Asuma take on 1000 Naruto clones, then drunken Rock Lee, then Gaara in badass mode. Wait for it... no, he's not superior to Kimimaro and his bone techs, for sure.

Implying Kimimaro will ever last that long to even think about using it.

So what you're saying is Asuma has no counter bracken dance. Thanks.

 

[ThisOneDude]

Lmao reach longer? How is that? Kimmirmaro bones reach way longer than Asuma blades.

Asuma is a jonin so is Eisbu so does that matter? That is just a title

Oro and Kimimaro killed Gaara dad.

Asuma gets killed by a walking zombie in which Kakashi a Jonin could prob handle and Eisbu a Jonin stand no chance.

You say slice in half but he can build a wall of bones around him try Asuma breaking that.

Ebisu is a special jounin meaning he only has jounin skill in a particular area, Asuma is full rounded.

Don't underate Hidan, without knowing his ability if he gets a drop of blood from you you're finished, plus you can't kill him, you have to incapitate him.

 

[Joki]

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Here's him wrapping it around Gaara. I don't think being bound so he can't move his arms gives Asuma an opening.

Since when will Kimimaro get a chance to wrap it around him if it gets slashed in half along with Kimimaro's head?

Since when does Kimimaro need to see? He just walks right out of the ash cloud like he did all of Gaara's burials, only easier. Ash cloud isn't exactly an explosion and if you think it's stronger than Gaara's sand crushing your body in a second then we need to talk.

Uhh...well since he can't see, he can't see Asuma and thus he gets decapitated.

The mask was lightning and hit by wind. That means Asuma's attack was strong on it, not strong.

So Ino just decided she'd jump in front of Chouji so he wouldn't get hit by her sensei's attack for the lulz and it totally wasn't going to hurt him? Riiiiiiiiiight.

So you think Asuma can counter bullets? This isn't Black Cat and he's not slicing them out of the air either. You still have no response to them. Knives at long range are nothing to Kimimaro, he can just dodge them. Asuma only has two anyway, and I doubt he would risk throwing both. So Kimi just has to avoid a single knife that really is no faster than its normal brethren, just sharper. Knives can't even be thrown that far in any case, being short range weapons. Anyway,if we're going with a knives vs bullets battle here I think we know the outcome.

So basically you have no proof he can dodge them and they're too fast? Thanks.

Those chunin were fodder current Tenten could kill.

Prove it? Shikamaru ran out of chakra holding them in 1 minute and was about to kill him if Asuma didn't jump in.

Last I checked Chunin weren't fodder since plenty of genin could have beaten Kimimaro with ease and Asuma is a Jonin.

Hidan isn't exactly So6P, he's not that hard to fight (by the way he killed Asuma so I wouldn't say that they're on par lol).

Re-read the chapters, although I know they'll go unread.

Sage of Six Paths? Why does the difference need to be so drastic? Hidan already craps on Kimimaro in every possible way, so being that far superior doesn't really make a difference after a point.

That last one is completely nonfactual. You have no evidence that Asuma's blades can slice Kimimaro's bones, especially since Kimi's bones have been seen to cut chakra blades, but hey, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt

Uh since when have Kimimaro's bones been harder than a giant boulder and a tree when Asuma wasn't trying? Since when have his bones ever shown that durability to save him from being pierced or decapitated? Those 'chakra blades', wind is the strongest enhancement and effortlessly cuts those for a reason.

and say that Kimimaro just dodges them.

Prove it. Seriously, that and "dodging his thrown knife" is complete baseless bullshit, he can't do that and you know it. I want proof.

We've seen his taijutsu. As for superiority... I'd like to see Asuma take on 1000 Naruto clones, then drunken Rock Lee, then Gaara in badass mode. Wait for it... no, he's not superior to Kimimaro and his bone techs, for sure.

Well considering Naruto is horribly taijutsually incompetent and is extremely shitty at taijutsu, any above average shinobi can take on that many of his weak base clones with 1/1000th of Naruto's chakra each, don't be retarded. Drunken Lee would try and kick him and fall into a trap like Kisame did except repeat with what happened to Hidan. Kimimaro/Lee thinks they blocked Asuma's attack and it's a regular knife? Think again, extends to foot long blade and you head is on the ground, GG. Now do you have anything to back any of that up that he won't die and stop it, nahhh of course not.

So what you're saying is Asuma has no counter bracken dance. Thanks.

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Yeah, it's totally instant and impossible to react to. Now where's your proof? Oh wait, there isn't any because Asuma stomps. This happens to Kimimaro:

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Proof any basic chakra enhanced blade can do

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? Oh wait, there isn't any, because it can't.

 

[ElectricClover]

Since when will Kimimaro get a chance to wrap it around him if it gets slashed in half along with Kimimaro's head?

Tell me how Asuma slashes anything with his arms bound to his sides.

Uhh...well since he can't see, he can't see Asuma and thus he gets decapitated.

You have so many facts to-- oh wait, no, you just keep saying Asuma can cut off Kimi's head with no proof, only your predecided notion. At least you admitted ash cloud isn't hurting Kimimaro at all.

Asuma's ash cloud hasn't been shown to have a significant range (at least not in comparison to Gaara's attacks), so I can see Kimimaro getting out of it in a second so he can see Asuma again. If Asuma was using ash cloud he would likely be a distance away from Kimimaro and so unable to close the distance fast enough before Kimimaro could see again. Another thing-- Kimimaro could also wait in the ash cloud. Asuma can't see in it any better than he can, and though it doesn't hurt him too much I imagine it's painful and it's highly unlikely Asuma would run into his own attack. There's no way Asuma would be able to take advantage of Kimimaro's very temporary and largely ineffective blindness.

So Ino just decided she'd jump in front of Chouji so he wouldn't get hit by her sensei's attack for the lulz and it totally wasn't going to hurt him? Riiiiiiiiiight.

Either Ino was willing to jump in front of it because it wouldn't hurt her very much anyway, or it was a reaction due to her closeness with Choji rather than the strength of the attack. I'm sure she'd jump in the way of a kunai, does that mean it's a strong attack? No, it's just a knife. But Ino is a team member of Choji's and would help him out regardless of the strength of a strike. I didn't say it wouldn't hurt anyone, in any case, just not Kimimaro who, let's face it, is on the high end of the tanking scale to use litotes.

So basically you have no proof he can dodge them and they're too fast? Thanks.

So... you have no proof Asuma can dodge bullets and they're too fast? Thanks.

No wait, I have a way to settle this. Let's set a meeting place. You bring a knife, and I'll bring a gun. Whoever comes back alive is the one who's right. How about it?

Prove it? Shikamaru ran out of chakra holding them in 1 minute and was about to kill him if Asuma didn't jump in.

Last I checked Chunin weren't fodder since plenty of genin could have beaten Kimimaro with ease and Asuma is a Jonin.

This is part 1 Shikamaru if you remember and even now he isn't exactly Hercules; I know we agree on that. That doesn't say anything about Asuma.

Last I checked Darui was casually using the water wall on dry land that in part 1 was called a "tremendous technique" that meant Tobirama was an amazing Hokage worthy of the title. Let's face it, there has been some power scaling. Chunin are fodder these days.

Naruto is a genin who can beat Kimimaro. But name one other.

Re-read the chapters, although I know they'll go unread.

Sage of Six Paths? Why does the difference need to be so drastic? Hidan already craps on Kimimaro in every possible way, so being that far superior doesn't really make a difference after a point.

I'm willing to look back at the manga for the sake of argument. I'm sure you remember Kakuzu sewed Hidan's head back on which led to Hidan winning. However, Asuma had Shikamaru and the two other guys helping him throughout the battle, with Shikamaru telling Asuma exactly how Hidan's technique worked. So Asuma couldn't have won the battle without backup either. His help was even more than Hidan's, and he would've lost if there was no one else but those two against each other, even as he did with backup on both sides.

Sure Hidan would probably beat Kimimaro but seeing as how they both beat Asuma I don't see how that's relevant. Using So6P was just a figure of speech, no need to take it so seriously.

Uh since when have Kimimaro's bones been harder than a giant boulder and a tree when Asuma wasn't trying? Since when have his bones ever shown that durability to save him from being pierced or decapitated? Those 'chakra blades', wind is the strongest enhancement and effortlessly cuts those for a reason.

Um, last I checked steel was harder than rock. And harder than steel... well, that's harder than something which is harder than rock. Now are you seriously asking me when Kimimaro's bones have shown durability? What I've seen is Kimimaro's bones being so hard that they cut chakra enhanced blades. That's more proof than you have that Kimimaro can resist Asuma's knives. btw decapitation would involve severing the spine which is a bone, which is Kimimaro's power, which means no one can cut off Kimimaro's head unless the claim that Asuma's blades can cut his bones actually does have merit.

Prove it. Seriously, that and "dodging his thrown knife" is complete baseless bullshit, he can't do that and you know it. I want proof.

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Here's some of Kimimaro's taijutsu. He specializes in fluid movements that avoid attacks and then strikes back with bones. Obviously he could dodge a knife if he can fight someone as fast as drunken Lee. You like Lee so you should know it takes incredible reflexes and speed to respond to his attacks. Gaara's sand couldn't even do it with normal Lee. The only problem Kimimaro briefly had with drunken Lee is that he was unpredictable. Asuma's knives, however, move in a straight, linear line-- and no faster than normal knives. Since we've seen even the weakest characters dodge kunai it is clear one of the best taijustu users, with shown reflexes and speed, should be able to dodge with ease. Though Asuma is also skilled with taijutsu I can't see him doing the same in the face of ten bullets.

Well considering Naruto is horribly taijutsually incompetent and is extremely shitty at taijutsu, any above average shinobi can take on that many of his weak base clones with 1/1000th of Naruto's chakra each, don't be retarded. Drunken Lee would try and kick him and fall into a trap like Kisame did except repeat with what happened to Hidan. Kimimaro/Lee thinks they blocked Asuma's attack and it's a regular knife? Think again, extends to foot long blade and you head is on the ground, GG. Now do you have anything to back any of that up that he won't die and stop it, nahhh of course not.

I don't think anyone can call 1000 clones with nine tails chakra-- if you look at them for the majority of the battle they have the whiskers, eyes, claws, etc, that mean Naruto's taijutsu is vastly improved-- shitty. I can't in any way see Asuma beating all 1000 partially transformed clones, especially without getting a single scratch like Kimimaro did. Let's say he does... drunken Lee vs Asuma would be an interesting battle but Asuma could probably handle it with ranged attacks... but you have to remember this is just after fighting 1000 clones and even if they were as weak as you say Asuma would be tired and most likely injured because of pure numbers and time it would take to beat them all. Drunken Lee's unpredicability would like get to him too, in a weary state. Let's say Asuma manages to get past that, however unlikely. Now he has to fight Gaara. Didn't address that one, I noticed. I think even full powered Asuma, not even after hundreds of clones and loopy Lee, would lose any day of the weak. And yet Kimimaro had Gaara at spearpoint when he died of sickness.

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Yeah, it's totally instant and impossible to react to.

Um, Gaara and Lee which are excellent at reacting barely had time to. Anyway, the point of bracken dance is not that it's fast, though it is. It's that it's widespread and frankly unstoppable. If Asuma isn't stabbed by bones from beneath, though they're inches apart so the concept is laughable and he can't stop them from coming out of the ground, he's trapped in a sea of bone which Kimimaro can attack out of from anywhere. Asuma doesn't have sensing, so he's skewered in seconds if he hasn't been earlier in the initial unstoppable rise of bone everywhere.

Now where's your proof? Oh wait, there isn't any because Asuma stomps. This happens to Kimimaro:

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Proof any basic chakra enhanced blade can do

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? Oh wait, there isn't any, because it can't.

All I've seen is you show the times Asuma used his wind blades, not proof of anything. I'm not saying they're bad, but... the first page still doesn't show Asuma can cut Kimimaro, as harder than steel is a far cry from a tree and a rock, and as it was shown it was the same speed as a normal knife and moves in a straight path, which Kimimaro can dodge with ease. In the second page, um, Hidan couldn't move and Asuma was a foot away from him. That equates to Asuma doing the same to a distanced Kimimaro who's close taijutsu can kill Naruto by the hundreds without a scratch anyway? Yeah right. The last page is Asuma cutting Kisame's cheek. I'm sure Kisame cried for nights afterward but that doesn't mean Asuma could ever touch Kimimaro, much less kill him. In any case I agreed Asuma's blades are stronger than normal, that much is obvious. But that is no proof they could cut Kimimaro's bones and even if they could the idea of Asuma actually getting a killing slash in is amusing at best.

 

[Joki]

Tell me how Asuma slashes anything with his arms bound to his sides.

Only if you tell me how Kimimaro uses his spine bone if it's sliced to pieces

You have so many facts to-- oh wait, no, you just keep saying Asuma can cut off Kimi's head with no proof, only your predecided notion. At least you admitted ash cloud isn't hurting Kimimaro at all.

>claims I have no proof
>ignores the scans entirely
>has no proof of his own

Asuma's ash cloud hasn't been shown to have a significant range (at least not in comparison to Gaara's attacks), so I can see Kimimaro getting out of it in a second so he can see Asuma again. If Asuma was using ash cloud he would likely be a distance away from Kimimaro and so unable to close the distance fast enough before Kimimaro could see again. Another thing-- Kimimaro could also wait in the ash cloud. Asuma can't see in it any better than he can, and though it doesn't hurt him too much I imagine it's painful and it's highly unlikely Asuma would run into his own attack. There's no way Asuma would be able to take advantage of Kimimaro's very temporary and largely ineffective blindness.

Except the part where if he waits inside of it Kimimaro can't see either so Asuma just slices in the ash cloud. Dead Kimimaro.

Either Ino was willing to jump in front of it because it wouldn't hurt her very much anyway, or it was a reaction due to her closeness with Choji rather than the strength of the attack. I'm sure she'd jump in the way of a kunai, does that mean it's a strong attack? No, it's just a knife. But Ino is a team member of Choji's and would help him out regardless of the strength of a strike. I didn't say it wouldn't hurt anyone, in any case, just not Kimimaro who, let's face it, is on the high end of the tanking scale to use litotes.

Ridiculous baseless ways to attempt to disprove its power...yeah because she would dodge a kunai and not throw another to deflect i. Considering it destroyed Kakuzu's mask instantly, I'm thinking you're bullshitting.

So... you have no proof Asuma can dodge bullets and they're too fast? Thanks.

No wait, I have a way to settle this. Let's set a meeting place. You bring a knife, and I'll bring a gun. Whoever comes back alive is the one who's right. How about it?

Since when was Kimimaro's finger bullets equal to real life bullets? Back this up please, and way to avoid posting your own proof as well.

This is part 1 Shikamaru if you remember and even now he isn't exactly Hercules; I know we agree on that. That doesn't say anything about Asuma.

Doesn't say anything about Tenten being able to solo them either, baseless.

Last I checked Darui was casually using the water wall on dry land that in part 1 was called a "tremendous technique" that meant Tobirama was an amazing Hokage worthy of the title. Let's face it, there has been some power scaling. Chunin are fodder these days.

Right Chunin might be fodder to current ninja/ Good thing Kimimaro is a past ninja and gets crapped on by the basic genin of that gen.

Naruto is a genin who can beat Kimimaro. But name one other.

Sasuke and Lee, to name 2 who completely crap on him.

I'm willing to look back at the manga for the sake of argument. I'm sure you remember Kakuzu sewed Hidan's head back on which led to Hidan winning. However, Asuma had Shikamaru and the two other guys helping him throughout the battle, with Shikamaru telling Asuma exactly how Hidan's technique worked. So Asuma couldn't have won the battle without backup either. His help was even more than Hidan's, and he would've lost if there was no one else but those two against each other, even as he did with backup on both sides.

Actually, this is proof you didn't touch those past chapters because Shikamaru was quite the hindrance, and with no knowledge on Hidan's abilities Asuma was handicappec 80% of the fight. Good thing he won't be here and Kimimaro doesn't have a ritual. he just has a body prone to being sliced in half with fuuton enhanced meter long chakra blades that pierce through gigantic boulders and trees and decapitate with ease.

Sure Hidan would probably beat Kimimaro but seeing as how they both beat Asuma I don't see how that's relevant. Using So6P was just a figure of speech, no need to take it so seriously.

Hidan doesn't just beat Kimimaro, he craps on him. And considering him and Asuma were on equal terms, and Kimimaro has no way to block being decapitated, he dies. Glad we agree here.

Um, last I checked steel was harder than rock. And harder than steel... well, that's harder than something which is harder than rock. Now are you seriously asking me when Kimimaro's bones have shown durability? What I've seen is Kimimaro's bones being so hard that they cut chakra enhanced blades. That's more proof than you have that Kimimaro can resist Asuma's knives. btw decapitation would involve severing the spine which is a bone, which is Kimimaro's power, which means no one can cut off Kimimaro's head unless the claim that Asuma's blades can cut his bones actually does have merit.

Cut chakra enhanced blades? that are weaker than Asuma's? So when have his bones survived fuuton enhanced that casually slice through boulders when Asuma's using 0 effort? He hasn't, he dies.

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Here's some of Kimimaro's taijutsu. He specializes in fluid movements that avoid attacks and then strikes back with bones. Obviously he could dodge a knife if he can fight someone as fast as drunken Lee. You like Lee so you should know it takes incredible reflexes and speed to respond to his attacks. Gaara's sand couldn't even do it with normal Lee. The only problem Kimimaro briefly had with drunken Lee is that he was unpredictable. Asuma's knives, however, move in a straight, linear line-- and no faster than normal knives.

None of those scans show shit to how he can dodge them. But ok, he dodges one and proceeds to run into Asuma who's behind him. He decapitates him. Considering you know he has to dodge, I'm glad we agree that it would kill him if they touched him.

Since we've seen even the weakest characters dodge kunai it is clear one of the best taijustu users, with shown reflexes and speed, should be able to dodge with ease.

Lol, I'm not sure if serious, if you think Kimimaro's "one of the best taijutsu users" when he's genin level Imma just not get into this any further

Though Asuma is also skilled with taijutsu I can't see him doing the same in the face of ten bullets.

He can't shoot finger bullets when he's dead.

I don't think anyone can call 1000 clones with nine tails chakra-- if you look at them for the majority of the battle they have the whiskers, eyes, claws, etc, that mean Naruto's taijutsu is vastly improved-- shitty.

Since when was Naruto's taijutsu not shitty? Punching and kicking=/=taijutsu. lee is skileld at taijutsu, and Kimimaro couldn't do shit to him. Weightless Lee=Kimimaro. KN0 Naruto and 2 Tomoe Sasuke>Weightless Lee. KN1 Naruto/3 Tomoe Sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else, this is manga fact. Saying any of those are faster than Asuma is retarded. He has 4.5 in speed for a reason

I can't in any way see Asuma beating all 1000 partially transformed clones, especially without getting a single scratch like Kimimaro did. Let's say he does... drunken Lee vs Asuma would be an interesting battle but Asuma could probably handle it with ranged attacks... but you have to remember this is just after fighting 1000 clones and even if they were as weak as you say Asuma would be tired and most likely injured because of pure numbers and time it would take to beat them all. Drunken Lee's unpredicability would like get to him too, in a weary state. Let's say Asuma manages to get past that, however unlikely. Now he has to fight Gaara. Didn't address that one, I noticed. I think even full powered Asuma, not even after hundreds of clones and loopy Lee, would lose any day of the weak. And yet Kimimaro had Gaara at spearpoint when he died of sickness.

**** it, I'm done. This guy thinks Asuma would be a fight for Drunken Lee and 1k Part 1 12 year old Naruto clones.

Um, Gaara and Lee which are excellent at reacting barely had time to. Anyway, the point of bracken dance is not that it's fast, though it is. It's that it's widespread and frankly unstoppable. If Asuma isn't stabbed by bones from beneath, though they're inches apart so the concept is laughable and he can't stop them from coming out of the ground, he's trapped in a sea of bone which Kimimaro can attack out of from anywhere. Asuma doesn't have sensing, so he's skewered in seconds if he hasn't been earlier in the initial unstoppable rise of bone everywhere.

Yeah, nope

All I've seen is you show the times Asuma used his wind blades, not proof of anything. I

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'm not saying they're bad, but... the first page still doesn't show Asuma can cut Kimimaro, as harder than steel is a far cry from a tree and a rock, and as it was shown it was the same speed as a normal knife and moves in a straight path, which Kimimaro can dodge with ease. In the second page, um, Hidan couldn't move and Asuma was a foot away from him. That equates to Asuma doing the same to a distanced Kimimaro who's close taijutsu can kill Naruto by the hundreds without a scratch anyway? Yeah right. The last page is Asuma cutting Kisame's cheek. I'm sure Kisame cried for nights afterward but that doesn't mean Asuma could ever touch Kimimaro, much less kill him. In any case I agreed Asuma's blades are stronger than normal, that much is obvious. But that is no proof they could cut Kimimaro's bones and even if they could the idea of Asuma actually getting a killing slash in is amusing at best.

Well. It's clear you're a fanboy at this point

 

[Icelerate]

Wow is Joki claiming Kimimaro is a genin level shinobi. Watch/read the fight between Naruto and Kimimaro and see how badly Naruto got stomped. This guy is very ridiculous.

@ElectricalClover don't bother I'll rep you once I can for your effort.

 

[Joki]

Wow is Joki claiming Kimimaro is a genin level shinobi. Watch/read the fight between Naruto and Kimimaro and see how badly Naruto got stomped. This guy is very ridiculous.

@ElectricalClover don't bother I'll rep you once I can for your effort.

Since when was Naruto stomped? Oh yeah man, he wasn't, you should go re-read.

 

[Icelerate]

Since when was Naruto stomped? Oh yeah man, he wasn't, you should go re-read.

If he wasn't getting beaten by Kimimaro than what exactly happened in their battle? No need to reread because Naruto was spamming clones like an idiot and they were all getting destroyed by Kimimaro who was playing around with Naruto.

 

[Gèckö]

damn this thread is pretty hot but asuma wins this

 

[Joki]

If he wasn't getting beaten by Kimimaro than what exactly happened in their battle? No need to reread because Naruto was spamming clones like an idiot and they were all getting destroyed by Kimimaro who was playing around with Naruto.

Well, Naruto sent 1 fodder wave of clones, Kimimaro destroyed them, Sasuke came out of the coffin, then Naruto instantly became oblivious to Kimimaro and didn't fight him after that and decided to go after Sasuke.

Not really being stomped thar, good thing Kimimaro stands literally no chance against KN1

 

[Airjustu]

Asuma can not beat Kimimaro at all i mean asuma isn't that strong of a ninja to be honest

 

[Powermill]

Asuma for the win extreme diff.

 

[ElectricClover]

Only if you tell me how Kimimaro uses his spine bone if it's sliced to pieces

Only if you tell me how Asuma slices the spine bone with his arms bound to his sides.

>claims I have no proof
>ignores the scans entirely
>has no proof of his own.

I stand by that you have no proof that Asuma could slice any part of someone with Kimimaro's level of taijutsu. All you've shown is him piercing a rock, decapitating an immobile Hidan, and barely cutting Kisame's cheek. I have shown you plenty of proof as well as logic, you just choose to ignore it, and project that response onto me.

Except the part where if he waits inside of it Kimimaro can't see either so Asuma just slices in the ash cloud. Dead Kimimaro.

Okay, so running out of it is simple and would work, good. But why in the world if Kimimaro waited within would Asuma follow Kimimaro into his own jutsu, which he knows will burn him? Are you honestly saying Asuma is that stupid? And if a blind slash is what you're down to I think I can safely say ash cloud isn't really going to do much in this battle.

>Ridiculous baseless ways to attempt to disprove its power...yeah because she would dodge a kunai and not throw another to deflect i. Considering it destroyed Kakuzu's mask instantly, I'm thinking you're bullshitting.

Um, it doesn't seem ridiculous that Ino would jump in front of an attack to save Choji. The kunai was just an example. I'm sure if it was a jutsu attack Ino would do the same. She saves him not because an attack's strong but because she's loyal to Choji. And I notice you didn't address the other possibility that Ino knew the attack wouldn't hurt her much anyway and that's why she jumped in the way. Like I said before, Asuma's wind attack destroyed the lightning mask. Wind is strong on lightning. This proves it was strong on it, not strong. Let's stop reiterating arguments I've already addressed. And like I also said I didn't say Asuma's attack was weak, just that it would have little effect on Kimimaro who is almost indestructible.

Since when was Kimimaro's finger bullets equal to real life bullets? Back this up please, and way to avoid posting your own proof as well.

They look exactly like bullets, they are the same density as bullets (steel), and they move at the same speed.

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The first is them hitting Gaara's shield almost instanteneously and boring right through it with momentum. The second is dramatized to show the bullets but it still shows their speed that they get an inch from Gaara before his sand blocks them. The third shows them hitting the second they are thrown. Just pointing out that if you're going to say that Asuma throws his knives for the kill it is much more likely Kimimaro's bullets, which Asuma has no way of blocking, do him in.

Doesn't say anything about Tenten being able to solo them either, baseless.

Just trying to paint a picture of how much of fodder those sound ninja were.

Right Chunin might be fodder to current ninja/ Good thing Kimimaro is a past ninja and gets crapped on by the basic genin of that gen.

You're obviously hating. And I think most people can see that when they look at this comment.

Sasuke and Lee, to name 2 who completely crap on him.

Sasuke is a rogue shinobi, he isn't a member of any village, therefore he has no rank. Lee is a chunin (btw Kimimaro already beat him, read the manga). Now try again.

Actually, this is proof you didn't touch those past chapters because Shikamaru was quite the hindrance, and with no knowledge on Hidan's abilities Asuma was handicappec 80% of the fight. Good thing he won't be here and Kimimaro doesn't have a ritual. he just has a body prone to being sliced in half with fuuton enhanced meter long chakra blades that pierce through gigantic boulders and trees and decapitate with ease.

Yeah, Shikamaru was a hindrance telling Asuma exactly how Hidan's ability worked and then holding him still while Asuma cut off his head. wtf? Are you really even reading? And Asuma lost anyway! And again you bring up the attributes of Asuma's blades with no proof they could cut Kimi and even less he could even touch him with them.

Hidan doesn't just beat Kimimaro, he craps on him. And considering him and Asuma were on equal terms, and Kimimaro has no way to block being decapitated, he dies. Glad we agree here.

No, he merely beats him. And Hidan only does so because his ability works regardless of his opponent's defenses. Kimi's blood vessels are on the outside of his bones so Hidan can take blood and Kimi's heart is a muscle so that can be damaged as well easily by Hidan. Hidan is one of the few who can hurt Kimimaro. Kimimaro can block decapitation because in his neck is a spine and a spine is a bone.

Cut chakra enhanced blades? that are weaker than Asuma's? So when have his bones survived fuuton enhanced that casually slice through boulders when Asuma's using 0 effort? He hasn't, he dies.
None of those scans show shit to how he can dodge them. But ok, he dodges one and proceeds to run into Asuma who's behind him. He decapitates him. Considering you know he has to dodge, I'm glad we agree that it would kill him if they touched him.

You still have no proof that Asuma can cut him... if Kimimaro can cut chakra blades, even if they are weaker than Asuma's, that suggests he can cut Asuma's. It's not inarguable proof but it's better than what you have. Again, a rock =/= Kimimaro's harder than steel bones. All of those scans show Kimimaro's skill at dodging and his quick, fluid taijutsu. What I'm saying is that although it is unclear whether Asuma's blades would actually cut Kimi's bone, Kimimaro would just dodge them because that's what he always does.

Lol, I'm not sure if serious, if you think Kimimaro's "one of the best taijutsu users" when he's genin level Imma just not get into this any further.

Kimimaro is one of the best taijutsu users and that has been explicitly shown. If it's suggested otherwise obviously one is ignoring the manga and going with their own opinions and bias... and you called Kimimaro genin level; hating again and others agree. thanks, Icelerate. If one just looks at Kimimaro's feats it's clear he's at least jonin if not Kage level.

He can't shoot finger bullets when he's dead.

And I see you still have no answer to the bullets.

Since when was Naruto's taijutsu not shitty? Punching and kicking=/=taijutsu. lee is skileld at taijutsu, and Kimimaro couldn't do shit to him. Weightless Lee=Kimimaro. KN0 Naruto and 2 Tomoe Sasuke>Weightless Lee. KN1 Naruto/3 Tomoe Sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else, this is manga fact. Saying any of those are faster than Asuma is retarded. He has 4.5 in speed for a reason.

The point of base Naruto's taijutsu is that he can make a thousand clones. That's not shitty. btw Kimimaro beat Lee I think you need to read again. Kimimaro>weightless Lee by far, even drunken Lee. Why Asuma would lose to Naruto's clones or barely manage to beat them is because of their sheer numbers. He can't fight that many without tiring and getting injured. And though he may be able to beat Lee-- weightless Lee's speed is greater than Asuma's, don't even troll the blue beast-- why Asuma would lose to Lee in this case is because he just had to fight hundreds of Naruto clones and that leaves him hurt and weary so Lee wins... and I see you still ignore Gaara, who would crush Asuma on the best of days.

**** it, I'm done. This guy thinks Asuma would be a fight for Drunken Lee and 1k Part 1 12 year old Naruto clones.

In a gauntlet against them Asuma is destroyed. If you want to give up, that's fine.

Yeah, nope

So... basically you have no evidence whatsoever to the contrary and have to resort to a weak disagreement alone? Okay. It's just good to know you at least feel that Asuma can't stop bracken dance, if you won't admit it.

Yours=Nowhere

I've shown plenty of proof, none of which you've addressed obviously because you can't.

Well. It's clear you're a fanboy at this point

So... basically you don't have an answer to anything in that last paragraph. Good to know.

 

[Volcanikage]

kimmimaro was no were genin lvl the sound 4 beat 2 jonin and kimmimaro defeat them without the used of curse mark there no match for him

Not only that asuma cant cut him if samurai blades cant not even mifune what would asuma blade do?? really there no match for him

Kimmimaro was born a prodigy to surpass even the most powerfull shinobi but theres a sickness that kill every prodigy (Itachi,Kimi, etc...

 

[Joki]

Only if you tell me how Asuma slices the spine bone with his arms bound to his sides.

Kimimaro can't do that when he's dead

I stand by that you have no proof that Asuma could slice any part of someone with Kimimaro's level of taijutsu. All you've shown is him piercing a rock, decapitating an immobile Hidan, and barely cutting Kisame's cheek. I have shown you plenty of proof as well as logic, you just choose to ignore it, and project that response onto me.

Oh? And where is this proof? Since when has Kimimaro's bones cut something harder than a huge boulder and tree with ease? Since when did casual chakra blades do the same? Yeah, they didn't man, fdeal wit it.

Okay, so running out of it is simple and would work, good. But why in the world if Kimimaro waited within would Asuma follow Kimimaro into his own jutsu, which he knows will burn him? Are you honestly saying Asuma is that stupid? And if a blind slash is what you're down to I think I can safely say ash cloud isn't really going to do much in this battle.

It's called not igniting it, and hey you even admitted he tanked it himself

Um, it doesn't seem ridiculous that Ino would jump in front of an attack to save Choji. The kunai was just an example. I'm sure if it was a jutsu attack Ino would do the same. She saves him not because an attack's strong but because she's loyal to Choji.

Yeah, before this post you were "Ohhhh yeahh that wouldn't have done shit to Chouji"

And I notice you didn't address the other possibility that Ino knew the attack wouldn't hurt her much anyway and that's why she jumped in the way.

Yeah that makes sense. "This attack won't hurt me in any way lets jump and save Chouji from it!" And that's entirely baseless and speculation. Prove it.

Like I said before, Asuma's wind attack destroyed the lightning mask. Wind is strong on lightning. This proves it was strong on it, not strong. Let's stop reiterating arguments I've already addressed. And like I also said I didn't say Asuma's attack was weak, just that it would have little effect on Kimimaro who is almost indestructible.

And where's the proof the heart has the same properties as lightning? Oh wait, there isn't any, it's a heart. Is Kakashi more susceptible to wind jutsu because his chakra nature is Raiton? No, that';s retarded and baseless and speculation

They look exactly like bullets, they are the same density as bullets (steel), and they move at the same speed.

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The first is them hitting Gaara's shield almost instanteneously and boring right through it with momentum. The second is dramatized to show the bullets but it still shows their speed that they get an inch from Gaara before his sand blocks them. The third shows them hitting the second they are thrown. Just pointing out that if you're going to say that Asuma throws his knives for the kill it is much more likely Kimimaro's bullets, which Asuma has no way of blocking, do him in.

So basically Gaara's sand blocked them,. so stop bullshitting about their speed being as fast as a real gun. Kimimaro has never showed the running speed or reaction speed to dodge Asuma's knives.

Just trying to paint a picture of how much of fodder those sound ninja were.

Fodder enough that an elite jonin ninja could defeat them easily and a genin level was left helpless? Yep

You're obviously hating. And I think most people can see that when they look at this comment.

Lee was as fast in weightless after his bones were just broken and he was still supposed to be resting and recovering, 2 tomoe Sasuke is much much much faster. KN0 Naruto was much much much faster than that, 3 tomoe Sasuke was much much much much faster than that. Gates Lee craps on all of them casually. Enough with that crap

Sasuke is a rogue shinobi, he isn't a member of any village, therefore he has no rank. Lee is a chunin (btw Kimimaro already beat him, read the manga). Now try again.

Oh, Kimimaro can beat fractured bone and in rehabilitation Lee who can't push himself or use anything past the first gate? Come back to me when he takes all 5 gated Lee who makes earthquakes on the ground from just moving and appears in 8 places at once and punches smash his skull in casually.

Yeah, Shikamaru was a hindrance telling Asuma exactly how Hidan's ability worked and then holding him still while Asuma cut off his head. wtf? Are you really even reading? And Asuma lost anyway! And again you bring up the attributes of Asuma's blades with no proof they could cut Kimi and even less he could even touch him with them.

>Proof you're completely bullshitting and didn't re-read the fight at all. If it weren't for Shikamaru then Asuma never owuld have lost blood, Shikamaru was a ridiculous hindrance.

No, he merely beats him. And Hidan only does so because his ability works regardless of his opponent's defenses. Kimi's blood vessels are on the outside of his bones so Hidan can take blood and Kimi's heart is a muscle so that can be damaged as well easily by Hidan. Hidan is one of the few who can hurt Kimimaro. Kimimaro can block decapitation because in his neck is a spine and a spine is a bone.

So what you're saying is Kimimaro's entire head is cut off except for the spine which is all that remains? His head will be hanging on a thread quite literally, seriously man stop bullshitting. And yeah you admitted Hidan stomped him anyway.

You still have no proof that Asuma can cut him...

>asuma's wind enhanced blade which is the strongest enhancement, casually, rips through a tree and boulder with ease and 0 effort by casually pumping chakra into it
>kimimaro cut regular swords
>kimimaro never cut anything near that strong or defended against it
>no chakra blade ever cut anything near that strong
>asuma makes meter long blades when actually trying
>speculating bullshit

if Kimimaro can cut chakra blades, even if they are weaker than Asuma's, that suggests he can cut Asuma's.

Lol, what the actual ****? "Hurr, Kimimaro can cut blades that are much weaker than Asuma's, therefore he can cut Asuma's"? Really? This is what you're resorting to at this point?

It's not inarguable proof but it's better than what you have.

That's a matter of baseless, speculation, opinion. You're wrong

Again, a rock =/= Kimimaro's harder than steel bones. All of those scans show Kimimaro's skill at dodging and his quick, fluid taijutsu.

They didn't show anything of what you said. Lee's kick put impact on his bones that hurt him even though he blocked it with your bones, so stop with the BS. He'll try to block Asuma's chakra knife and it will slice through like butter. At least I'm actually providing the proof.

What I'm saying is that although it is unclear whether Asuma's blades would actually cut Kimi's bone, Kimimaro would just dodge them because that's what he always does.

It's not arguable, it's proven fact. And Kimimaro has never dodged that how would he dodge something he doesn't even know is there? He ends up like Kisame and Hidan.

Kimimaro is one of the best taijutsu users and that has been explicitly shown. If it's suggested otherwise obviously one is ignoring the manga and going with their own opinions and bias... and you called Kimimaro genin level; hating again and others agree. thanks, Icelerate. If one just looks at Kimimaro's feats it's clear he's at least jonin if not Kage level.

LOL, permission to put this in my siggy? I am seriously going to sig this shit, this is by far some of the most bizarre and baffling thing I've seen on Narutobase. Kimimaro Kage level? Are you kidding me right now? I'm starting to think you're either in extreme denial at this point and refuse to admit you're wrong when it's obvious under any circumstance, or you're not serious at all. you might be better off saying you were just kidding this whole time.

And I see you still have no answer to the bullets.

Kimimaro can't shoot finger bullets when he's dead

The point of base Naruto's taijutsu is that he can make a thousand clones. That's not shitty.

If all they can do is flail their arms and legs, yes it is

btw Kimimaro beat Lee I think you need to read again.

When did Kimimaro beat Lee? I think your fanboyism for Kimimaro that makes you think he's somehow Kage level, is clouding your views on what actually happened during that fight. You know that's a real medical condition called neglect? You should look into it man.

Kimimaro>weightless Lee by far, even drunken Lee.

You mean the ones that were equal in speed and power and Kimimaro actually commended his speed and never landed a hit on until he drunkenly lazily allowed it? And was in rehabilitation and recovery and just had all of his bones crushed and suffered the drastic effects of using 5 gates at once that tear all of his muscle tissue and wasn't allowed to pushj himself in the slightest? Still in denial?

Why Asuma would lose to Naruto's clones or barely manage to beat them is because of their sheer numbers. He can't fight that many without tiring and getting injured.

Yeah, I guess I'd lose to 100,000 ants as well man, there's just way too many.

And though he may be able to beat Lee-- weightless Lee's speed is greater than Asuma's, don't even troll the blue beast--

.........

why Asuma would lose to Lee in this case is because he just had to fight hundreds of Naruto clones and that leaves him hurt and weary so Lee wins... and I see you still ignore Gaara, who would crush Asuma on the best of days.

.........Asuma has an attack that seemingly perfectl crafted for pressure based attacks?

In a gauntlet against them Asuma is destroyed. If you want to give up, that's fine.

So we're for some reason talking about full health Lee now? Yeah I agree that "in a gauntlet against them" Asuma would eventually lose, but Kimimaro would get crapped on 9 ways till Sunday in a gauntlet vs KN1 Naruto, Full Health Lee and Gaara to boot(but he's not needed, Naruto or Lee solos with very little difficulty if they actually have to fight all out).

So... basically you have no evidence whatsoever to the contrary and have to resort to a weak disagreement alone? Okay. It's just good to know you at least feel that Asuma can't stop bracken dance, if you won't admit it.

and your proof is where exactly(other than coming out of your butt)?

I've shown plenty of proof, none of which you've addressed obviously because you can't.

Please point out where said proof is, because unlike you, I actually post scans and back up my arguments. I wouldn't say Asuma won otherwise.

So... basically you don't have an answer to anything in that last paragraph. Good to know.

If you want me to have an answer to nothing but baseless speculation then ok, my answer is "proof or gtfo and stop speculating".

 

[ElectricClover]

Kimimaro can't do that when he's dead

This is basically admitting you don't have any proof.

Oh? And where is this proof? Since when has Kimimaro's bones cut something harder than a huge boulder and tree with ease? Since when did casual chakra blades do the same? Yeah, they didn't man, fdeal wit it.

Kimimaro's bones has been straight up stated to have been as hard as steel and then they got even harder. In case you're not familiar with basic science, steel is harder than rock. And Kimimaro has damaged chakra blades-- steel with chakra around them, which are certainly > than a rock.

It's called not igniting it, and hey you even admitted he tanked it himself

Obviously you're not really reading what I post; I said earlier Asuma wouldn't really be too hurt by ash cloud because it's not very good, but that it was certainly painful for him and he wouldn't go running into it stupidly. It's fire release and it burns, 'not igniting' it just leaves it more painful. Asuma wouldn't follow Kimi into the ash cloud.

Yeah, before this post you were "Ohhhh yeahh that wouldn't have done shit to Chouji"

I never said that, I said it was never shown to be weak or strong; like I said, actually read what I write if you want to argue with me.

Yeah that makes sense. "This attack won't hurt me in any way lets jump and save Chouji from it!" And that's entirely baseless and speculation. Prove it.

That's only one option, remember? The other is that Ino wants to help Choji. Those are the only two choices but you can pick one.

And where's the proof the heart has the same properties as lightning? Oh wait, there isn't any, it's a heart. Is Kakashi more susceptible to wind jutsu because his chakra nature is Raiton? No, that';s retarded and baseless and speculation

The mask is a lightning mask. All it is is a vessel for lightning nature. Kakashi is a human being with several natures, why would wind do anything extraordinary to him? But the mask is solely a channel for lightning chakra and so would reasonably be susceptible to wind. All I've seen from you is baseless speculation that Asuma's wind attack is strong.

So basically Gaara's sand blocked them,. so stop bullshitting about their speed being as fast as a real gun. Kimimaro has never showed the running speed or reaction speed to dodge Asuma's knives.

Gaara's sand automatically blocks him from split second explosions; you can't possibly say that if it blocks something that attack is slower than normal. Gaara could block real bullets, and bone bullets, which are the same speed. And all those pages I showed you were Kimimaro's speed, fluidity, and the kind of reaction that can respond to Lee without the weights, which I might point out, Gaara's sand, able to block bullets as it is, couldn't even do. Kimimaro's feats have basically proved that someone with Asuma's reasonably strong level of taijutsu could never even hurt him, but you ignore that proof. You also still have no answer to the bullets, even if they were slower than normal which they are not.

Fodder enough that an elite jonin ninja could defeat them easily and a genin level was left helpless? Yep

Like I said, if you remember that genin was Shikamaru. Those sound were still fodder. I'd find some other way to hype up Asuma.

Lee was as fast in weightless after his bones were just broken and he was still supposed to be resting and recovering, 2 tomoe Sasuke is much much much faster. KN0 Naruto was much much much faster than that, 3 tomoe Sasuke was much much much much faster than that. Gates Lee craps on all of them casually. Enough with that crap

I don't really know who you're arguing against here. Those three can fight all they want, I'm talking about Kimimaro, who incidentally, beat the people you're talking about.

Oh, Kimimaro can beat fractured bone and in rehabilitation Lee who can't push himself or use anything past the first gate? Come back to me when he takes all 5 gated Lee who makes earthquakes on the ground from just moving and appears in 8 places at once and punches smash his skull in casually.

Kimimaro could beat Lee in any state Lee was in, you're a Lee fan so I know you won't admit it, but that's not the point. I asked for a genin besides current Naruto who could beat Kimimaro; Lee is a chunin.

>Proof you're completely bullshitting and didn't re-read the fight at all. If it weren't for Shikamaru then Asuma never owuld have lost blood, Shikamaru was a ridiculous hindrance.

I actually did read the fight again because I was wondering how you could possibly mistunderstand the fight the way you did. But you're obviously just ignoring the facts because Shikamaru told Asuma exactly how Hidan's ability worked, which Asuma couldn't figure out at all, and then he held Hidan still so Asuma could chop off his head, which probably wouldn't have happened otherwise considering Hidan was beating Asuma before Shikamaru saved Asuma's life.

So what you're saying is Kimimaro's entire head is cut off except for the spine which is all that remains? His head will be hanging on a thread quite literally, seriously man stop bullshitting. And yeah you admitted Hidan stomped him anyway.

Kimimaro's skin and muscle can be cut easily, we've seen that. But they grow back. So if Kimimaro's neck was cut the blade would stop at the spine and then Kimimaro's skin and muscle would grow back, no harm done. Besides that, Kimimaro can form a bone armor underneath his entire skin so a weapon would just clang off his neck anyway. Hidan's ability is perfect for Kimimaro and that is the only reason he beats him, though I imagine it would be quite far from a stomp.

>asuma's wind enhanced blade which is the strongest enhancement, casually, rips through a tree and boulder with ease and 0 effort by casually pumping chakra into it
>kimimaro cut regular swords
>kimimaro never cut anything near that strong or defended against it
>no chakra blade ever cut anything near that strong
>asuma makes meter long blades when actually trying
>speculating bullshit

>like I've said many, many times, steel>>rock; and harder than steel>>>>>>>>rock
>okay... so point for Kimimaro
>Kimimaro pierced Gaara's original harder than steel defense with some weapons and cut chakra blades, and came back unharmed from unbelievable pressure at 200 m underground that anyone else would be squashed, bones and all
>okay, but they're still short range and Kimi can still dodge them
>so you have no other points

I'm giving you that Asuma can cut Kimi as a freebie even though no evidence suggests this, I'd say you should just take what little you have.

Lol, what the actual ****? "Hurr, Kimimaro can cut blades that are much weaker than Asuma's, therefore he can cut Asuma's"? Really? This is what you're resorting to at this point?

Never said that, again you fail to read closely enough. I said the fact that he can cut weaker chakra blades suggests he may be able to cut stronger chakra blades as they are the same substance. It's not conclusive at all and I never claimed as such. But your "Asuma can cut rock so he can cut Kimimaro" is a lot worse; just bringing up your hypocrasy.

That's a matter of baseless, speculation, opinion. You're wrong

It's not baseless and I've explained it. I did say it was arguable. It is however only your opinion that it's wrong.

They didn't show anything of what you said. Lee's kick put impact on his bones that hurt him even though he blocked it with your bones, so stop with the BS. He'll try to block Asuma's chakra knife and it will slice through like butter. At least I'm actually providing the proof.

I've showed you proof of Kimimaro's taijutsu before. There is no evidence that Kimimaro was hurt at all, just knocked down. After this, which you neglect to address, Lee was beaten. All the evidence says that Kimimaro would dodge Asuma's knife as he has everything else he's attacked with save Lee. And what little proof you've shown (rock cutting, Asuma slicing off immobile and helpless Hidan's head, and then Kisame's cheek), I've already refuted, look back if you can't remember.

It's not arguable, it's proven fact. And Kimimaro has never dodged that how would he dodge something he doesn't even know is there? He ends up like Kisame and Hidan.

It is not by any means a proven fact, why don't you look up what fact means? Kimimaro would dodge it because it's no faster than anything else he's fought. And, um, both Kisame and Hidan beat Asuma, lol, nice try.

LOL, permission to put this in my siggy? I am seriously going to sig this shit, this is by far some of the most bizarre and baffling thing I've seen on Narutobase. Kimimaro Kage level? Are you kidding me right now? I'm starting to think you're either in extreme denial at this point and refuse to admit you're wrong when it's obvious under any circumstance, or you're not serious at all. you might be better off saying you were just kidding this whole time.

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Kimimaro can't shoot finger bullets when he's dead

Like I said before, this is as good evidence as any that you have no answer to this. So bullets kill Asuma, huh?

If all they can do is flail their arms and legs, yes it is

Let me see if I can make this clear enough for you. There's 1000 of them. No matter how weak they are (although in fact they had nine tails chakra giving them greater strength and speed), they attack from all sides and all at once. Though Asuma would be ripping through them he would have to expend energy for each attack and with the sheer numbers of Naruto he would get injured at least a few times, speaking conservatively. Even if he could beat them all, which he might be able to, he would be left weary and hurt.

When did Kimimaro beat Lee? I think your fanboyism for Kimimaro that makes you think he's somehow Kage level, is clouding your views on what actually happened during that fight. You know that's a real medical condition called neglect? You should look into it man.

Okay, while I look into neglect you should read Naruto again and see that Kimimaro beat Lee.

You mean the ones that were equal in speed and power and Kimimaro actually commended his speed and never landed a hit on until he drunkenly lazily allowed it? And was in rehabilitation and recovery and just had all of his bones crushed and suffered the drastic effects of using 5 gates at once that tear all of his muscle tissue and wasn't allowed to pushj himself in the slightest? Still in denial?

Kimimaro was impressed by Lee's unpredictability. That was Lee's only advantage in that battle and he soon lost it. Um, drunken Lee was going all out; if it was healthy Lee sure he might've thought about his earlier problems but he was only concerned with fighting at the time. And, like I said earlier, Kimimaro was on his deathbed before this, sick as well. And yet he was still better.

Yeah, I guess I'd lose to 100,000 ants as well man, there's just way too many.

Naruto is the same size as Asuma and had nine tails chakra coursing through him. There's no way not one of him would land a hit. And anyway,100,000 ants vs you doesn't sound like a bad idea.

.........

So, no answer to that assertion either, good.

.........Asuma has an attack that seemingly perfectl crafted for pressure based attacks?

Good point but the fact still is Kimimaro got through the gauntlet and Asuma couldn't.

So we're for some reason talking about full health Lee now? Yeah I agree that "in a gauntlet against them" Asuma would eventually lose, but Kimimaro would get crapped on 9 ways till Sunday in a gauntlet vs KN1 Naruto, Full Health Lee and Gaara to boot(but he's not needed, Naruto or Lee solos with very little difficulty if they actually have to fight all out).

Thanks. Lee's health means little because he didn't lose that way, and if you remember Kimi was sick too so don't try that card. Genius he won in a gauntlet vs them and died of sickness, read again.

and your proof is where exactly(other than coming out of your butt)?

I showed you scans of Kimimaro spinning around killing hundreds of nine tails chakra Narutos without batting an eyelash or getting a scratch, then fighting with Lee whose only ability is beast taijutsu, then shooting bullets and fighting Gaara with no loss of stamina even though he was sick. You have shown Asuma throwing a knife through a tree.

Please point out where said proof is, because unlike you, I actually post scans and back up my arguments. I wouldn't say Asuma won otherwise.

Again, you're evidence I have already addressed and you did not fight those assessments, leaving me to believe that you accept them. I posted plenty of scans, nine to your six actually. And yes you would say Asuma would win, you began by assuming because Asuma has wind blades he would win without any proof.

If you want me to have an answer to nothing but baseless speculation then ok, my answer is "proof or gtfo and stop speculating".

Why don't you quote the paragraph and try arguing with everything in it. If you can't and have to resort to calling it speculating as if it hasn't been shown and you aren't doing the exact same thing though a little more weakly, then I understand that you are unable to answer any of it and you've lost at least that section of the argument.

 

[Joki]

This is basically admitting you don't have any proof.

Well you've already outright admitted that you don't, so it's all good.

Kimimaro's bones has been straight up stated to have been as hard as steel and then they got even harder. In case you're not familiar with basic science, steel is harder than rock. And Kimimaro has damaged chakra blades-- steel with chakra around them, which are certainly > than a rock.

I hope you know there comes a point where if something effortlessly tears through 1,000 meters of rock(example) it would probably most likely be stronger than something that can pierce through 1 cm of steel.

Obviously you're not really reading what I post; I said earlier Asuma wouldn't really be too hurt by ash cloud because it's not very good, but that it was certainly painful for him and he wouldn't go running into it stupidly. It's fire release and it burns, 'not igniting' it just leaves it more painful. Asuma wouldn't follow Kimi into the ash cloud.

How the hell would it leave it more painful? It's just a giant smoke bomb, Kimi wouldn't be able to see shit and Asuma the clearly superior one decapitates him with ease. Since you're so hard pressed on proof, where's the proof he can extend bones from his neck, and proof that it can stop Asuma from decapitating him? I love how you avoid this again and again and again.

I never said that, I said it was never shown to be weak or strong; like I said, actually read what I write if you want to argue with me.

Never shown to be weak or strong, hmmmmm sounds kind of like Kimimaro who has absolutely no way to stop himself from being decapitated

That's only one option, remember? The other is that Ino wants to help Choji. Those are the only two choices but you can pick one.

Yeah let's just help Chouji who won't even be scratched by it nah, no big deal

The mask is a lightning mask. All it is is a vessel for lightning nature. Kakashi is a human being with several natures

Incorrect, he learned several natures. His nature is lightning, period.

, why would wind do anything extraordinary to him?

Because the mask is just a heart that knows a lightning jutsu. You're being extremely hypocritical right now

But the mask is solely a channel for lightning chakra

Prove it? Last I checked it was just a heart with a lightning jutsu , the heart has Kakuzu's chakra

and so would reasonably be susceptible to wind. All I've seen from you is baseless speculation that Asuma's wind attack is strong.

Not that it matters since Kimimaro has literally no answer to being decapitated other than "hurr chakra enhanced blades which>>>>>asumas wind enhanced even though I have no proof that theyre stronger when its clear asumas shit on theirs"

Here's your proof, Chidori Sword is enhanced with lightning chakra and it slices through chakra enhanced blades with ease, raiton enhanced blades>>>>>>>anything Kimimaro's have ever done and it's been proven on the manga that Fuuton is the enhancement for weapons that's far superior to raiton and is the strongest weapon enhancement. Kimimaro's bones are regular bones, regular chakra blades and his weak bones can't do shit, he gets decapitated.

Gaara's sand automatically blocks him from split second explosions; you can't possibly say that if it blocks something that attack is slower than normal.

Considering Gaara could never stop real bullets and his auto sand was outspeeded by base Lee, NOPE

Gaara could block real bullets,

Kishi says otherwise

and bone bullets, which are the same speed.

Prove it l0l

And all those pages I showed you were Kimimaro's speed, fluidity, and the kind of reaction that can respond to Lee without the weights, which I might point out, Gaara's sand, able to block bullets as it is, couldn't even do.

Yep, that's cool and all but practically no running speed, and ability to dodge a 1 meter radius that he has no idea is even there.

Kimimaro's feats have basically proved that someone with Asuma's reasonably strong level of taijutsu could never even hurt him,

This is BS, none of your proof proved that, post it here or nope. Because last I checked Asuma can extend his chakra blades to meters on a whim and Kimimaro has absolutely no way to survive being touched by it. He was clashing with Lee, he wasn't dodging shit. He tries to block his blade and it's GG Kimi. I guess he suddenly goes Out of Character for this 1 fight just because you want him to win. Riiiiight..

but you ignore that proof. You also still have no answer to the bullets, even if they were slower than normal which they are not.

You've given literally no proof as to how fast they are, Asuma kept up with Kisame in a small skirmish and fought Hidan for some time. Kimimaro kept up with weightless Lee, big deal. That's Part 1 levels of speed. Asuma easily cuts his head off, you've given literally nothing to back that up and you repeatedly avoid it

Like I said, if you remember that genin was Shikamaru. Those sound were still fodder. I'd find some other way to hype up Asuma.

Yeah, you're right about that, Shikamaru's pretty damn useless and pretty much every ninja could beat him at this point, so it's all good.

I don't really know who you're arguing against here. Those three can fight all they want, I'm talking about Kimimaro, who incidentally, beat the people you're talking about.

Except he never ever ever did. That's BS and you're obviously not comprehending the manga correctly or something. Firstly because you think Kimi beat these guys which never happened and secondly because you think Kimimaro somehow stands a chance vs Asuma....a Jonin with elite level taijutsu and chakra blades that crap on raiton enhancements which chop through things superior to anything his blades have ever cut.

Kimimaro could beat Lee in any state Lee was in, you're a Lee fan so I know you won't admit it, but that's not the point. I asked for a genin besides current Naruto who could beat Kimimaro; Lee is a chunin.

I'm talking about Part 1 Lee, and Part 1 Sasuke, and Part 1 Naruto. You think that those current versions would LOSE to Kimi? Lol I'm the fanboy? What does Kimimaro do vs 3 tomoe sharingan which>>>KN0 Naruto>>>>2 tomoe sasuke>>Weightless Lee>=Kimimaro? Chidori?? He won't be able to touch Sasuke let alone kill him. What will he do against 5 gated Lee? He made earthquakes by just moving, and Kimimaro felt the initial omote renge kick let alone somehting the completely crushes his skull in, he casually makes ridiculously huge craters and by just moving he appears in 10+ places simultaneously which is near unheard of. Kimimaro NEVER replicated anything NEAR that shit and it literally left Gaara's hard sand armor in pieces(which if you recall, basic sand from Gaara cracked Sasuke's hand and made it bleed). Remember the sand that kept up with Kimimaro after Gaara trained, that's nice because both 2 tomoe Sasuke and Lee kept up with that too. Kimimaro can't do shit vs them, and don't even get me started about KN1 Naruto

I actually did read the fight again because I was wondering how you could possibly mistunderstand the fight the way you did. But you're obviously just ignoring the facts because Shikamaru told Asuma exactly how Hidan's ability worked, which Asuma couldn't figure out at all, and then he held Hidan still so Asuma could chop off his head, which probably wouldn't have happened otherwise considering Hidan was beating Asuma before Shikamaru saved Asuma's life.

Yeah I know, and Hidan has special jutsu mechanics which are irrelevant here, and if you didn't remember, Asuma's leg was unusable which is why he had to be held by Shikamaru. If he knew about his curse he would have been decapitated earlier, Asuma literally sit there an let him stab his leg he never got a chance to do anything. But again irrelevant, Hidan destroys Kimi in taijutsu alike

Kimimaro's skin and muscle can be cut easily, we've seen that. But they grow back. So if Kimimaro's neck was cut the blade would stop at the spine and then Kimimaro's skin and muscle would grow back,

Lol what the hell? He's never regenerated. He took his bones out of his body and the skin went back in position, big deal. That's different from getting yourself decapitated and only hanging on by the spine and REGENERATING YOUR ENTIRE NECK BACK. The **** is this, I'm the one speculating? That's complete and utter bullshit, they're be practically unbeatable if they can just regenerate from anything and the Kaguya wouldn't have been extinct from the land of waves if they can just regenerate their bones and skin infinitely.

no harm done.

I'll assume this is "fanboyism neglect" speak for "he dies"

Besides that, Kimimaro can form a bone armor underneath his entire skin so a weapon would just clang off his neck anyway.

Yep man, a weapon. Good thing Asuma's wind blades>>>>raiton blades which>>>>chakra enhanced steel blades and mokuton and bijuu cloaks(which tanked a diamond piercing blade) which>>>>>Kimimaro

Hidan's ability is perfect for Kimimaro and that is the only reason he beats him, though I imagine it would be quite far from a stomp.

Because you're a fanboy.

>like I've said many, many times, steel>>rock; and harder than steel>>>>>>>>rock

Like I've said many, many times, >implying piercing through a giant boulder and tree with ease=not being able to pierce 1 chakra enhanced blade when the weaker versions of chakra enhancements did more than Kimimaro's with ease

>okay... so point for Kimimaro
>Kimimaro pierced Gaara's original harder than steel defense with some weapons and cut chakra blades, and came back unharmed from unbelievable pressure at 200 m underground that anyone else would be squashed, bones and all

Proof, and no he didn't because pressure isn't the same as an attack that tears through trees and boulders with 0 difficulty and shits on raiton blade enhancements. I also hope you recall vs Kabuto, Itachi's incomplete susano'o blade chopped through dozens of his bones with complete and utter ease, which Tsunade's regular body was tanking Madara's EMS version without anything happening to her and Gaara's sand was stopping with ease. Asuma's wind enhancements shit on that as they already decapitated a living human being, unfortunately Susano'o was incapable of doing that to Tsunade regeneration excluded.

>okay, but they're still short range and Kimi can still dodge them

You've given no displays of yhis speed at all other than like one taijutsu exchange with Lee in part 1 and Kimimaro was outsped the second Lee entered 1st gate.

>so you have no other points

I'm giving you that Asuma can cut Kimi as a freebie even though no evidence suggests this, I'd say you should just take what little you have.

So this is your subtle way to admit it....okay, sinjce Asuma can cut him then he wins. Why the hell do you claim for your entire post that Asuma won't be able to cut him and if he did get decapitated he dies(obviously), now you admit he can cut him? Then that's fine(even though manga already proved and it you were just in denial of it), Asuma decapitates GG

Never said that, again you fail to read closely enough. I said the fact that he can cut weaker chakra blades suggests he may be able to cut stronger chakra blades as they are the same substance.

They are not. Regular chakra<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Fuuton chakra which was repeatedly stated to be the strongest enhancement for weapons. Raiton enhanced weapons chopped through things that Kimimaro's did with ease and regular Susano'o blades that regular human bodies and Gaara's sand tanked and didn't get sliced through easily sliced through all of his bones. Anything else?

It's not conclusive at all and I never claimed as such. But your "Asuma can cut rock so he can cut Kimimaro" is a lot worse; just bringing up your hypocrasy.

Kimimaro can cut 1 sword therefore he can cut an incredibly powerful wind chakra enhanced blade that effortlessly decapitates humans and tears through a giant tree and boulder? Doesn't sound so good when you try and shift the words hmm? Nope, Kimimaro can't do shet

It's not baseless and I've explained it. I did say it was arguable. It is however only your opinion that it's wrong.

Nope, manga fact proves you wrong. See "Kimimaro bones<bone stage susano'o sword<regular human body lol<raiton chakra enhancements<<<<<fuuton weapon enhancements"

I've showed you proof of Kimimaro's taijutsu before. There is no evidence that Kimimaro was hurt at all, just knocked down. After this, which you neglect to address, Lee was beaten.

Lee beaten? No, if you mean Lee whop was still supposed to be resting after intense surgery and having bone fragments/fractures in his spine and all his muscles torn apart from the gates and legs and arms completely crushes and wasn't allowed to enter gates? Yeah, I'll give Kimimaro that one...lol.

All the evidence says that Kimimaro would dodge Asuma's knife as he has everything else he's attacked with save Lee. And what little proof you've shown (rock cutting, Asuma slicing off immobile and helpless Hidan's head, and then Kisame's cheek), I've already refuted, look back if you can't remember.

Well, I posted a lot more stuff that I didn't mention at that point so that's pretty much rendered BS, but yeah most of it was BS in the first place. Likewise to what you said above, "I know you're a Kimimaro fan, so you'll never admit it," but yeah.

It is not by any means a proven fact, why don't you look up what fact means? Kimimaro would dodge it because it's no faster than anything else he's fought. And, um, both Kisame and Hidan beat Asuma, lol, nice try.

fact/fakt/
Noun:

A thing that is indisputably the case.
Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

Yep, it's fact. Manga fact proves that Kimimaro's bones were destroyed(and have destroyed) things much weaker than raiton enhancements or fuuton enhancements and also, inb4 "lol its fuuton>raiton thats y"

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Mother of god man, alrighjt I'll read it some time lol

Like I said before, this is as good evidence as any that you have no answer to this. So bullets kill Asuma, huh?

No, because Gaara's sand reacted to them

Let me see if I can make this clear enough for you. There's 1000 of them. No matter how weak they are (although in fact they had nine tails chakra giving them greater strength and speed), they attack from all sides and all at once. Though Asuma would be ripping through them he would have to expend energy for each attack and with the sheer numbers of Naruto he would get injured at least a few times, speaking conservatively.

That's baseless because Asuma is a jonin level taijutsu specialist, but ok

Even if he could beat them all, which he might be able to, he would be left weary and hurt.

But now you're using ABC logic.

Okay, while I look into neglect you should read Naruto again and see that Kimimaro beat Lee.

He didn't beat Lee. He beat a severely weakened Lee who wasn't allowed to use gates. If you forgot about that part Kishi pretty much admit on panel Lee would have stomped if gates was allowed. This is pretty much blatant fanboyism at this point

Kimimaro was impressed by Lee's unpredictability. That was Lee's only advantage in that battle and he soon lost it. Um, drunken Lee was going all out; if it was healthy Lee sure he might've thought about his earlier problems but he was only concerned with fighting at the time. And, like I said earlier, Kimimaro was on his deathbed before this, sick as well. And yet he was still better.

Drunken Lee was going all out? Then where were the gates? Oh yeah, he didn't enter them or Kimimaro would have died, duh. Oh yeah, and the only reason Kimimaro landed a hit on lee was(ignoring the restrictions of gates of course lol, anyone can clearly tell Kimi would die from all 5 gates barrage) because Drunken Lee was clumsy and it wasn't real Lee or he'd never have landed a hit.

Naruto is the same size as Asuma

Wait really, lol which Naruto are you talking about, unless you're talking about something else I'm pretty sure Naruto was like midget status

and had nine tails chakra coursing through him. There's no way not one of him would land a hit. And anyway,100,000 ants vs you doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Yeah I'd die man they're so strong

So, no answer to that assertion either, good.

I don't even know what you originally said, but it was probably something dumb enough to me that it didn't warrant responding

Good point but the fact still is Kimimaro got through the gauntlet and Asuma couldn't.

That's completely and utterly ABC logic, just because Asuma doesn't have attacks that stop against pressure and (may possible) lose to Gaara doesn't mean that Kimi would beat him? That's retarded, because like I said Kimimaro had specific jutsu that was literally perfect for the Gaara kind of opponent, you just admitted that

Thanks. Lee's health means little because he didn't lose that way, and if you remember Kimi was sick too so don't try that card. Genius he won in a gauntlet vs them and died of sickness, read again.

Riiiiigh*see above to all of Lee's sickness* and proof Kimimaro would be 10x or more stronger enough to keep up with Asuma or no? No speculating.

I showed you scans of Kimimaro spinning around killing hundreds of nine tails chakra Narutos without batting an eyelash or getting a scratch, then fighting with Lee whose only ability is beast taijutsu, then shooting bullets and fighting Gaara with no loss of stamina even though he was sick. You have shown Asuma throwing a knife through a tree.

So this is pretty much proof you ignored every scan I posted, and yeah Kimimaro didn't exactly "run around" much. Beast taijutsu? Hey, just what he needs

Again, you're evidence I have already addressed and you did not fight those assessments, leaving me to believe that you accept them. I posted plenty of scans, nine to your six actually. And yes you would say Asuma would win, you began by assuming because Asuma has wind blades he would win without any proof.

So I can accept the following since you avoided or ignored them:
You agree that since Kimimaro's bones were cut by weak Susano'o swords that regular bodies tanked and/or stopped, and that raiton chakra enhancements chopped enhanced blades more than Kimimaro ever has, and that Fuuton is the strongest enhancement that Kimimaro gets chopped in half. and on multiple occasions people wiuth higher speed stats in the DB reacted to much higher characters, Asuma is a Jonin taijutsu specialist for a reason, one swipe is all it takes. And Asuma reacted to Kisame and Hidan easily during their short skirmish

Why don't you quote the paragraph and try arguing with everything in it. If you can't and have to resort to calling it speculating as if it hasn't been shown and you aren't doing the exact same thing though a little more weakly, then I understand that you are unable to answer any of it and you've lost at least that section of the argument.

Except when it actually is speculation and you're just throwing your fanfiction out there because you would never ever ever admit Kimimaro would lose a fight.

 

[Prince Charles]

LMAOOOOO IM TURNT UP

Kimimaro rapes this low diff! No matter infact NO DIFF

who wants it??? GO AHEAD AND TRY ME

 

[AGoodBoy]

Wow is Joki claiming Kimimaro is a genin level shinobi. Watch/read the fight between Naruto and Kimimaro and see how badly Naruto got stomped. This guy is very ridiculous.

@ElectricalClover don't bother I'll rep you once I can for your effort.

Reaading this last page i'm not sure why i need to bother in here. ElectricalClover is tearing this up... Joki is just talking out of his ass....

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@Joki, you stated Asuma is 4.5 in speed, as if kimi isn't too...

Asuma Databook 3

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Ninjutsu - 4.5
Taijutsu - 4.5
Genjutsu - 3.5
Intelligence - 4.5
Strength - 4
Speed - 4.5
Stamina - 3.5
Hand Seals - 3.5

Total - 32.5(31.5 in DB 1)

Kimimaro Databook 2

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Ninjutsu - 4
Taijutsu - 5
Genjutsu - 3
Intelligence - 3.5
Strength - 3
Speed - 4.5
Stamina - 4.5
Hand Seals - 3

Total - 30.5

Yes, Joki, Let's ignore the fact that kimimaro not only has jounin stats, but kishi also says he's better at taijutsu, as fast, and has more stamina than Asuma. Surely kimimaro must be a genin like the rest of them who can't break 20 total. The only thing Asuma has going for him is intelligence, and all that does is allow him to die less disgracefully.

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KN1 Naruto/3 Tomoe Sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else, this is manga fact.

This shit just had me rolling Lol. Not only are these 2 barely even on jounin level but, in DB2(one kimi is in):
Naruto is 3 in speed, 2 in taijutsu, 18.5 total and...
Sasuke is 3.5 in speed, 2.5 in taijutsu, and 22.5 total. Is this supposed to compeete? Lol, my sides.

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Asuma has nothing to cut his bone. Oh, and before you bring that shitty scan of a knife against a rock...

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"more penetrative than fuuton enhanced projectile"

Not only does kimimaro effortlessly dodge asuma, like hidan, but asuma's only form of damage is completely useless. And, let's not forget kimimaro is a superb healer who effortlessly healed missing bone and massive skin damage in a second. He's probably even capable of healing internal damage, so the shit about the ash cloud is not only exceptionally useless against kimimaro, but asuma would just burn his ass while kimimaro walks off healing.

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Anyone who believes asuma wins this fight is a fool.
Dance of the seedling fern GG
Dance or the Clemantis: Vine To dance of the Clemantis: Flower GG
Harder than steel blade to brain GG
Phalange bullets to the nuts GG

 

[Prince Charles]

Lmao joki sit down bro