Theory: Senju = the leaf - uchiha

Maunten

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Alright I don't theory craft often so this post will be mostly pictures with small pieces of text to outline the relevance to my theory then a final statement to tie it all together, read when you have the time. BTW if you don't want to read it all at once just revisit it from time to time xd.

Before you start reading please note that this theory is based on the heavily supported presumption that the smaller clans which the senju may have broken up into would have swapped their senju clan surname for the new surnames of their newly formed clans.

Who are the senju?

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Senju translates to "a thousand skills", their clan gained this name because they mastered all the the skills, and were an extremely diverse clan because of it.

I will go through the above pic to outline how the three commanders of the senju clan differed greatly in their specialties.

Tobimaru Senju

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Tobimaru is known for his powerful water release, edo summoning (which he pionered) and space time techs. Two out of three of these skills are quite extraordinary types of techs even by shinobi standards.

Toka Senju

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"Though the extent of her skills goes unknown, she was renowned throughout the world for her prowess with genjutsu." N Wiki qoute

A legendary master in genjutsu would have had her place rightfully among the leaders of the senju.

Hashirama Senju

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"According to Madara, Hashirama was also able to use medical ninjutsu. His skill with which were such that he could heal himself without forming seals, and from the medical ninjutsu that his descendant Tsunade — who is considered to be the greatest medical-nin in the world as it is — has displayed, Madara surmised that his medical techniques were also on an entirely different level. The fact that he could use medical ninjutsu demonstrates that Hashirama likely had excellent chakra control." naruto wiki

So hashirama controlled his chakra very well, he could use medical ninjutsu without seals, but on top of that he had a kekkei genkai.

He also used powerful genjutsu techs and mastered other element techs, and after corresponding with the uzumaki clan leader learnt powerful seals in relation to tailed beasts. Hashirama Senju the fairy tale marrying Mito Uzumaki the jinchuirki of karuma truly cemented the senju clan's power.


Now I am going to talk about how certain clans of the leaf would have fit into the senju clan.

Firstly I will list all the clans of konoha that I know of and that I think are relevant to this theory.

Sarutobi Clan

Nara Clan

Yamanaka Clan

Akimichi Clan

Hyuga Clan


So I will start in order of the list.

Sarutobi Clan

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"All known members have also been observed devotees of the Will of Fire." quote from N wiki, which has been observed in the story line.

A philosophy held strongly by the senju.

"The members of this clan seem to be able to easily master high-level techniques, as Hiruzen became revered as the "God of Shinobi", and Konohamaru managed to learn A-rank techniques, such as the Rasengan, at a young age." quote from N wiki, of observed events.

An ability which would have been required of the senju in order for them to master all the skills.

Ino–Shika–Chō

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This is an example of 3 separate clans which work closely with one another,
the senju clan would have operated in this way, clans like nara, akimichi and yamanaka teaming up would have made a formidable opponent, even for a clan like the uchiha, in an all out clan war.

Hyuga

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I know what you were thinking, oh yeah he is just going to talk about their kekkei genkai, the thing is though it is their taijutsu that contributes hugely to their offensive and in some cases defensive techs, yes their kekkei genkai is extremely valuable but this clan is comprised of taijutsu masters.

This almost completes the different sects of the senju if the leaf truly is comprised of smaller clans formed after the senju dispersion

I will list them

TAIJUTSU MASTERS, KEKKEI GENKAI USERS, Hyuga Clan.
NINJUTSU MASTERS, Sarutobi Clan.
GENJUTSU MASTERS, it is not know if Kurenai is of a clan but her genjutsu is meant to rival itachi's.
CLAN UNITY, Ino-Shi-Cho.
Senjutsu, Fuinjutsu, Juinjutsu are sub categories of the three above.


Now that I have displayed how these clans may be the dispersed senju, all that is left to do is explain how clans, when unified like this, could have rivaled the uchiha.

Uchiha can battle genjutsu and can cast it on others, it has been displayed that that shinobi can train their eyes against (less special) genjutsu, as deidara did.

The uchiha clan can predict movements and therefore hand signs easily with a fully matured sharingan eye.

The ability to take control of shinobi is possible, displayed by the Yamanaka clan, this can aid the battle against uchiha has Yamanaka's possession techs often put the user under full control of the victim.

Uchiha can use techniques such from EMS, most famously but the least common the susanoo and it's constituents.

Fighting Susanoo

A user of shadow possession techs, nara clan, should be able to take possession of uchiha members with EMS even while facing the back of an uchiha. Susanoo has not been said to defend the user against non physical attacks such as shadow possessions.

The Akimichi clan might have the strength battle to a susanoo, i.e throw one, (I might get flamed for that comment) but they are at least strong enough to disrupted the ground beneath the user.


Fighting Tsukuyomi (Fighting the caster)

Any shinobi with high chakra control can dispel the weaker genjutsu of the uchiha meaning that eye contact is essential for their powerful genjutsu to be cast.

Shadow possessing someone under a tsukuyomi would allow them to attack the tsukuyomi caster ending the genjutsu abruptly and putting the life of the castor at great risk.

Fighting Amaterasu

The only clan I can think of for this is the sarutobi clan, a clan that masters jutsu easily would be able to seal amaterasu strikes, or quickly summon barriers to block amaterasu, temporarily.

There is more I can say about the ability of a joint leaf force to battle the uchiha and rival them with an edge, but I do not want to drag this post on anymore than I have.

I hope what I have said so far is enough, I do have more in my head but I will end it here.

Only two things could have happened to the senju, they could have died out or they could have dispersed, now I ask you how likely is the latter?


Taking a small break from NB after this post.
 

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Hashirama kinda looks like Fugaku...
 

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You're just making the Uchiha look good.
 

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Correct me if im wrong , But You are assuming that everone in the villagge Except the Uchiha are Senju . . . :confused:

~. . . . if So " :sy: "
 

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Wow, this is thorough. i like it. I hope the senju clan is at least as strong as what you stated.
The only part i disagree with is hyuuga being part of senju. It has been stated they are related to uchiha.
+rep =DD
 

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I made a thread sorta like this the other day. It was questioning the Uchiha bloodline and how the story never showed us a non Uchiha with the true sharingan (by birth); they kept all that shit in family. Having said that, I don't think the Senju were related to the Hyuuga. The Hyuuga...well, I think there is a reason they all kinda look alike if you catch my drift.
 

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Correct me if im wrong , But You are assuming that everone in the villagge Except the Uchiha are Senju . . . :confused:

~. . . . if So " :sy: "

The leaf village was formulated by the senju and the uchiha and comprised the senju and the uchiha, the NINJA, not civilians, of the leaf are all either senju or uchiha, unless those clans allowed a massive migration of enemy ninja clans into village!?

As for the non clan ninja who knows.., some ninja may have been expelled from clans meaning their families did not have access to the clan secrets.


Wow, this is thorough. i like it. I hope the senju clan is at least as strong as what you stated.
The only part i disagree with is hyuuga being part of senju. It has been stated they are related to uchiha.
+rep =DD

Thanks a lot, as the for the hyuga yes I was hesitant about them, but they are a noble family so they might be kind of different. Maybe they were affiliated with the senju, i.e the senju guarded them in some way.

i like your theory

Thanks.
 
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No the uchiha are in the manga it even said the uchiha clan was the strongest and most feared and the senju was the only clan to rival them

The Uchiha were feared because they were psychopaths. The Senju were loved and respected. Notice who the first Hokage was?
 

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Interesting theory. However, Tsunade is the granddaughter of the First Hokage, which means that only two generations have passed since the founding of the Leaf. This translates to only about one hundred years at most. It is highly unlikely that the clans would have assumed different surnames in such a short period of time. It is far more likely that the other clans in the Leaf Village allied themselves with the Senju and Uchiha either shortly before the founding of the village or shortly after. This also accounts for the diversity within the village.
 

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I agree with some of your points I think as well with dying out the senju clan might have spread and befriended other members of the village.

The story is that the senju the uchiha and other clans formed together to make the hidden leaf but if this is true why is their people like minato namikaze, sakura haruno and kakashi hatake. I think that these people maybe be half or quarter senju or something like that just a thought.

I think clans like hyuga and uchiha would not get involved with anyone outside their clans to maintain their blood line.

I disagree with you including the hyuga in this thread. I think they are descendant of the elder son in some way and that the hyuga and uchiha have a similar relationship like the senju and uzumaki.

There has been some rumours in naruto about the sharingan diverging from the byuakugan and stuff like that, I think this is some indication that that the uchiha and hyugan are related. The sharingan and the byakugan are the only other two doujutsu's after the rinnegan so it makes sense.
 

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The leaf village was formulated by the senju and the uchiha and comprised the senju and the uchiha, the NINJA, not civilians, of the leaf are all either senju or uchiha, unless those clans allowed a massive migration of enemy ninja clans into village!?

Actually dude the leaf village is the senju the uchiha and other clans put together read my post above.
 

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Interesting theory. However, Tsunade is the granddaughter of the First Hokage, which means that only two generations have passed since the founding of the Leaf. This translates to only about one hundred years at most. It is highly unlikely that the clans would have assumed different surnames in such a short period of time. It is far more likely that the other clans in the Leaf Village allied themselves with the Senju and Uchiha either shortly before the founding of the village or shortly after. This also accounts for the diversity within the village.

I understand, but after the founding of the leaf the war was over, without a defining kekkei genkai the senju would likely have split according to especially powerful families within the clan as they had no other reason to remain under one name.

Notice how the only senju name bearers left were related to hashi, did the senju clan die out in half a century or did they disperse.
 

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Ur theory has merit, but it is hard to tell which clan dissoved to what or if simply the senzu had sub clans names. Only way to identyfy the pre existing clans is to isolate clan symbols in page: ......... any way those who need to know the history of knonha reread chapter 399

Also Senzu clan had no special genetic traits regarding chakra reserves.
 

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Actually dude the leaf village is the senju the uchiha and other clans put together read my post above.

Dude I agree the hyuga being part of the theory may be viewed as an issue but remember the uchiha and he senju are also related, yet they still fought.
 

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Dude I agree the hyuga being part of the theory may be viewed as an issue but remember the uchiha and he senju are also related, yet they still fought.

I believe the uzumaki senju uchiha and hyuga are all related. That's why senju dna is needed to boost uchiha techs and uzumaki are blood relatives of the senju. All that is missing is the link with hyugan but it has been stated in the manga that hyuga have some relationship with uchiha.
 
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