Can Kakuzu counter Tsukoyomi?

[Sonin]

I do not believe he can counter this genjutsu but many others yes.

 

[raju22]

that would not make it useless, kakuzu looks into itachi's eyes and he catches him in tsukuyomi and casts it, in that moment he could make 3 days pass in kakuzus mind, give him the kakashi treatment,a mild tsukuyomi at best, and as soon as that moment passes he can turn his attentions to the hearts, unless your saying the hearts will be attacking exactly when he decides to cast tsukuyomi, which i sincerely doubt, itachi is smart enough not to leave himself at an disadvantage , then kakuzu would just eat a tsukuyomi and the fight would continue

that said i agree that the severity of the tsukuyomi depends on itachis concentration, so it may not be used to the full extent of its capacity, but udnerstand tsukuyomis full capacity is death, by breaking the mind, anything less is not a useless just more convenient for an ongoing battle

Correct, Kakashi survived the focused itachi's hit, and here Kakuzu is more strong then Kakashi, mentally and physically, and Itachi has to watch for the heart's while focusing on the jutsu, that's why i asked, that is it possible to maintain focus on the jutsu if you are being hit by an outside attack, Because if it is then it is clearly possible for a 2 men team to force the caster to release the jutsu or to make sure that he has to release it before it can deal damage.

And that 1 second heavy damage needs a lot of focus.

 

[raju22]

well time to end this thread........*itachis uses sasunoo shields him from all damage while casting his genjutsu* that was easy

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All right boy, i thought i will let you go but you asked for it, Show me a Manga link where Itachi is Casting Tsukoyomi while his V2 Susanoo on.

 

[I Am Pein]

All right boy, i thought i will let you go but you asked for it, Show me a Manga link where Itachi is Casting Tsukoyomi while his V2 Susanoo on.

show me the manga wear naruto is wearing blue pants....doesnt mean he cant it means he just hasnt or never will. dont come at me with your logic of "it never happened so it cant happen" thats really arragant

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

Correct, Kakashi survived the focused itachi's hit, and here Kakuzu is more strong then Kakashi mentally and physically, and Itachi has to watch for the heart's while focusing on the jutsu, that's why i asked, that is it possible to maintain focus on the jutsu if you are being hit by an outside attack, Because if it is then it is clearly possible for a 2 men team to force the caster to release the jutsu or to make sure that he has to release it before it can deal damage.

And that 1 second heavy damage needs a lot of focus.

that was not a focused tsukuyomi, that was a mild tsukuyomi, which is what lead kakashi to wonder why itachi didnt kill him with it, we now know it was because itachi was actually trying to best serve the leaf how he could at the time, i bring this up because itachis intent was not to kill, like it would be with kakuzu

and ill say this again, then im done,because i feel like im repeating myself, unless the other party connects an attack on itachi the exact moment he starts to use tsukuyomi, then in real time itachi would cast the jutsu in a moment and then be aware of whats going on around him, if the attack comes a second too soon itachi breaks off from using tsukuyomi and addresses the threat, a second to late and tsukuyomi has hit its target and the damage is done, and itachi then addresses the threat

@bold, thats what you would do with a normal genjutsu, no one besides a sensor would have the awareness to know that their team mate is udner genjutsu and even with that, tsukuyomi occurs too fast to do anything about it, so, with other gens, yes, thats applicable, not with tsukuyomi

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[raju22]

that was not a focused tsukuyomi, that was a mild tsukuyomi, which is what lead kakashi to wonder why itachi didnt kill him with it, we now know it was because itachi was actually trying to best serve the leaf how he could at the time, i bring this up because itachis intent was not to kill, like it would be with kakuzu

and ill say this again, then im done,because i feel like im repeating myself, unless the other party connects an attack on itachi the exact moment he starts to use tsukuyomi, then in real time itachi would cast the jutsu in a moment and then be aware of whats going on around him, if the attack comes a second too soon itachi breaks off from using tsukuyomi and addresses the threat, a second to late and tsukuyomi has hit its target and the damage is done, and itachi then addresses the threat

@bold, thats what you would do with a normal genjutsu, no one besides a sensor would have the awareness to know that their team mate is udner genjutsu and even with that, tsukuyomi occurs too fast to do anything about it, so, with other gens, yes, thats applicable, not with tsukuyomi

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Thank you for your valuable comment's, i was just wondering that what are the other possibilities with this jutsu are.

One more thing i forgot to mention, that Kakuzu can merge his mask on his shoulder, in this case he can fight without getting cought in the gen jutsu.

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[raju22]

show me the manga wear naruto is wearing blue pants....doesnt mean he cant it means he just hasnt or never will. dont come at me with your logic of "it never happened so it cant happen" thats really arragant

You are imagining thing's, if He has not shown the ability then he can not do it, In this base Manga link's are the absolute truth which you have failed to provide.

 

[I Am Pein]

You are imagining thing's, if He has not shown the ability then he can not do it, In this base Manga link's are the absolute truth which you have failed to provide.

.....you, you make me want to kill myself you pretty much said if it aint happen it cant happen......im done

 

[raju22]

.....you, you make me want to kill myself you pretty much said if it aint happen it cant happen......im done

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[Negative Knight]

no he has five hearst not five brains and thats what you need to break genjutsu a disruption in your brain

Its posts like these which make me wish i could like them, you know what i'm just gonna give him +rep and this shit on a ice cream cone :ice:

 

[Rariatto]

Yea, I think that can work. If Itachi catch Kakuzu to Tsukuyomi and Kakuzu's hearts are outside, they can defeat Itachi. But problem is speed of Tsukuyomi. In Itachi's world it can be long hours.. days.. but in real it is one second so Kakuzu can't break Tsukuyomi.. But good theory

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

Thank you for your valuable comment's, i was just wondering that what are the other possibilities with this jutsu are.

One more thing i forgot to mention, that Kakuzu can merge his mask on his shoulder, in this case he can fight without getting cought in the gen jutsu.

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i can agree that to counteract the average genjutsu kakuzu's masks would make very nice tool in disturbing his own chakra, but depending on the power of the genjutsu he might not be able to disturb his own chakra, because he would still have to make the conscious decision of doing so,it wouldnt be like gyuki disturbing bees chakra after sasuke caught him in genjutsu, i dont think the mask has the reasoning skills to know when or when not to disrupt kakuzus chakra, when he died i believe the masks went into an automatic fail safe mode to preserve their owner because his chakra is tied to theirs and they cannot exist for long without him , thats not necessarily an example of coherent thought and choice, which they would need to assess that kakuzus chakra needed disturbing, i think of them as something akin to octopus tentacles , where they are connected to the main brain and motor functions but have the capacity to move/interact on their own

 

[Bogard]

Ofc he can, but because Itachi is the most overrated in NB, people won't even try to see this possibility or even try to read your assumptions, but only say he can't

 

[raju22]

i can agree that to counteract the average genjutsu kakuzu's masks would make very nice tool in disturbing his own chakra, but depending on the power of the genjutsu he might not be able to disturb his own chakra, because he would still have to make the conscious decision of doing so,it wouldnt be like gyuki disturbing bees chakra after sasuke caught him in genjutsu, i dont think the mask has the reasoning skills to know when or when not to disrupt kakuzus chakra, when he died i believe the masks went into an automatic fail safe mode to preserve their owner because his chakra is tied to theirs and they cannot exist for long without him , thats not necessarily an example of coherent thought and choice, which they would need to assess that kakuzus chakra needed disturbing, i think of them as something akin to octopus tentacles , where they are connected to the main brain and motor functions but have the capacity to move/interact on their own

No no you got it wrong, I wasn't saying that those mask will disrupt chakra, i also believe that they can not do it (except lightning mask, kakuzu can use it to give his brain a solid electric shock which can dispel other Genjutus).

I was traying to say that with his mask's on his shoulder (Specially Fuuton and Katon),it increases his firepower to a degree that he can Keep a Ninja on Itachi's lvl at bay, and can actually fight without directly looking in to the eye, and if i am not mistaken then Tsukoyomi is classified as a close range Jutsu.

After seeing this guy's Ninjutsu power, and his experience, i think this guy can be a tough match up for a ninja like Itachi.

Ofc he can, but because Itachi is the most overrated in NB, people won't even try to see this possibility or even try to read your assumptions, but only say he can't

People like ANBU Kakashi23 had provided good counter's, but there were some who never bother'd to read the thread, and i think that Kakuzu can take Itachi on in a 1vs1 Match.

Thanks for reading and commenting.

Yea, I think that can work. If Itachi catch Kakuzu to Tsukuyomi and Kakuzu's hearts are outside, they can defeat Itachi. But problem is speed of Tsukuyomi. In Itachi's world it can be long hours.. days.. but in real it is one second so Kakuzu can't break Tsukuyomi.. But good theory

Yeah it is a real problem, but it will be hard to cast Genjutsu, when you are being hit by four monster's who can use high lvl elemental attacks.

Thanks for reading and comment.

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

No no you got it wrong, I wasn't saying that those mask will disrupt chakra, i also believe that they can not do it (except lightning mask, kakuzu can use it to give his brain a solid electric shock which can dispel other Genjutus).

I was traying to say that with his mask's on his shoulder (Specially Fuuton and Katon),it increases his firepower to a degree that he can Keep a Ninja on Itachi's lvl at bay, and can actually fight without directly looking in to the eye, and if i am not mistaken then Tsukoyomi is classified as a close range Jutsu.

After seeing this guy's Ninjutsu power, and his experience, i think this guy can be a tough match up for a ninja like Itachi.

oh, in that case it would prove troublesome to make eye contact if hes using his short - mid range mode , but itachi's use of crow clones and misdirection shouldnt be taken lightly either, it would be a good match to see