[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[ImNoOne]

To make it easier to read i'm gonna separate it using bullet points.


. Tobi like madara can control the fox using their sharingan

. Kisame has identified tobi as madara uchiha cause apparently after kisame killed his master yagura appeared with a shadowy figure behind/next to him and when kisame asked the shadowy figure who is he he walked towards kisame as shown in episode 251 of the anime and revealed himself as madara uchiha and although we never saw his face kisame did and in the hunt for itachi arc i think it was tobi met up with kisame and removed his mask and kisame called him madara and again we never saw his face but kisame did.

. Even though this may be irrelevant but in episode 251 where it shows tobi/madara from behind in the shadows when he was talking to kisame you can see that he has long hair and in the naruto shippuden ultimate ninja storm generations game in tobis story it shows a mini movie of the battle between madara and hashirama and at the beginning it shows madara and the uchiha clan face off against the senju and madara is wearing something similar to what tobi/madara was wearing when he met kisame not only that but in that same bit off the clip it shows him from behind and he has the same hair style as what was shown when tobi/madara met kisame, not only that but at the end off that mini movie it shows tobi sitting in his hideout as he was apparently talinking/narrating about that battle and he(tobi) when talking about the battle talked as if it was he who fought hashirama.

. In episode 253 where he fought konan tobi says this: "The world knows madara uchiha was the one who lost to hashirama seju however,what is the real truth? the victor is the one who can gaze into the future.The real challenge begins from now.The previous battle was merely to obtain his power.I am madara uchiha and i possess the power of hashirama.I am the second sage of six paths.I am unique." Doesn't tobis speech in that episode sound interesting especially when we found out that edo madara uchiha can use hashiramas powers not only that but this battle took place not that long after he saw edo madara in the coffin so why did he still call himself madara WHAT COULD THIS MEAN? could it mean that tobi, the guy who wears a mask and has started a 4th war using madaras name is actually the REAL MADARA UCHIHA.

. He's read the uchiha stone tablet and also knows alot about madara and hashirama and their battle, can summon the kyubi, easily got through the leafs barrier thing that's supposed that's supposed to make it impossible for outsiders to get through without being detected,knows alot about the uchiha and their abilities and seems interested in sasuke,knows about the cycle of hatre between uchiha and senju and wants naruto and sasuke to fight each other, wants sasuke to unleash his hatred on the leaf on behalf of madara and the rest of the uchiha and seems eager to help sasuke become more powerful and possibly awaken rinnegan.

And now onto the part that may be interesting, you know that edo tensei needs a live sacrifice in order to resurrect a dead shinobi what if that isn't completely true because as we know orochimaru somehow got his hands on hashiramas body but how well that is something we don't know yet but i reckon that either orochimaru or even kabuto came up with a way to bring back madara uchiha using hashiramas body in a similar war to what was shown when tobi killed torune and brought him back with edo tensei using fu as a live sacrifice and that might kind of explain why kabuto says that edo madaras body is unique and why madara can use hashiramas powers so well but i could be wrong.

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[Οdin]

Maybe this is pointless, but here I have Tobi's databook pages if you want them.

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[infamousdon]

Guys come on! I already told you that I have arrived from FREAKING JAPAN!!! I work for a huge anime/manga studio and I DO KNOW WHO THE HELL IS TOBI!!!!!!!

IT IS ALL IN THE NAME!!!!!! that is all I will say.

Now, Who IN THA FLYING HELL made up that "CRAP" saying that the Ramen Guy is TOBI!!

Whoever tha hell made this up must have "GAY DONKEY SH*T" Inside his head.

 

[Aze]

Re: tobi or uchiha shisui??

danzo organisation is root different from anbu... uchiha shisui is a member of anbu... not a member of root...

I bet Shisui was Anbu captain.

 

[Deidera]

Tobi is Kagami Uchiha, right @infamousdon?

 

[0moi]

Re: tobi or uchiha shisui??

I bet Shisui was Anbu captain.

They never say Shisui was in ANBU right? Itachi was the 1st Uchiha to join ANBU, the other Uchiha were a part of The Konohagakure Police Force....

Shinobi I Think May Be Tobi:
Obito
Danzou
Izuna

Shinobi I Don't Think May Be Tobi:
Any Part Of Madara
Kagami
Future Sasuke
Setsuna
Zetsu
Shisui

 

[Blessyouwithpain]

I think tobi is just his own character and he was given a mask just to screw with our heads.

 

[miliboy307]

I think Tobi is the masked man

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

1. The reason I believe Madara will not disppear is because Muu summoned him.

Yes Kabuto summoned him before to scare Tobi but it was Muu who summoned him at the battlefield, so Muu is the last person to summon Madara.

Muu will disappear but Madara will be able to do what he likes now.

I do not know if the Edo Tensei technique gives the Edo summons limitless chakra.

Or if Madara will become weaker due to his summoner aka Muu being unsummoned due to Kabuto releasing the Edo Tensei Jutsu.

However if Madara were to be unsummoned also because it may still count as Kabuto summoned Muu so it may work that way, then if that the case I believe Madara will use the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu to bring himself back to life.

I believe Madara can do this now and not before is because his in Edo Tensei Mode, Madara is dead but Madara has the ability to perform techniques, Where if you die, you're dead, you don't have the ability to perform a technique because your soul has left your body and you can not perform it if you are dying because you are still alive.

But where Madara is in Edo Tensei Mode, Madara can perform Jutsu's, Like the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu.

Nagato could of done the same if Nagato had control of himself because he too has that ability but of course Kishi wasn't going to let that happen.

Either way Madara is NOT disappearing in my strongest opinion because of the two reasons I've explain which is..

Muu summoned him
or
Madara uses the Rebirth Jutsu on himself

I said Nagato could perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu because Nagato too was in Edo Tensei mode but was unable to perform the Rebirth Jutsu because the whole time Kabuto had control of Nagato plus Kishi wouldn't bring him back to life.




The reason why Nagato was unable to perform it on himself when Nagato was alive during the Pein Arc is because Nagato was still alive, so he couldn't bring himself alive even though he was dying due to the chakra exhaustion, he couldn't perform it when he was dead, his soul was no longer in his body.

The reason why I said Madara can do it is because his been released from the Edo Tensei Jutsu and yes Madara dead but his soul is in a body, so Madara can perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu on the dead body because Madara is able to perform the Rinnegan Rebirth Jutsu because his in Edo Tensei Mode.

For example to explain it better, I have a GUN that can bring someone back to life by shooting them once with it.

Nagato did this with the leaf village right? he brought them back to life by shooting them all. (get what I'm trying to say?)

Nagato couldn't shoot himself with the gun because Nagato is still alive but once Nagato dies, Nagato soul is gone so Nagato's body is lifeless and can not pull the trigger due to that.

Madara has been brought back With Edo Tensei Jutsu, Now Madara is released from the Edo Tensei Jutsu.

He has the Rinnegan aka the Gun I'm referring to, So before Madara disappears Madara can shoot himself with the gun because Madara has control over his body because Madara is in edo mode, a walking zombie...

Does that make any sense? Yes I've repeated some stuff as some people didn't take in what I was saying.[/COLOR][/B]

Wow I completely understand what you said. But it makes no sense . The edit tensei are done how can Madara bring himself back ? He has no body and muu summoned him with a summon seal, just like kabuto did when he summoned him to show Tobi, so you can throw that one out the window.

 

[Edge]

I'm really getting sick of Tobi, but I have the feeling that all will be revealed pretty soon...

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

Okay, guys! I've had a breakthrough. (no, this isn't another troll theory.) I think Tobi might still actually BE Madara. Alright, remember that "Splitting Technique" that Mū used? It actually split his soul into two seperate parts. So, they were actually BOTH the real Mū. Now, we know that Madara fought Mū AND Onoki. So, it's possible, that during the fight, Mū used the splitting technique and Madara copied it with the sharingan. So, Tobi actually IS Madara. The real Madara. Not just a clone. So, right before he gave his eyes to Nagato, he used the Splitting Technique to split himself into two in case something went wrong with the transplant. When one half gave his eyes to Nagato, having a severe power difference to his other half, who is supposed to have the same amount of power, caused his eyes to automatically downgrade back to normal(cuz his eyes couldn't just pop out of his head). After that, something went wrong with the surgery, which started to kill Madara. So, Madara told Tobi to eventually resurrect him. After the death of Madara half #1, Tobi trained to re-awaken his sharingan, since he had no restrictions on his power after Madara's death. However, he could only upgrade it to sharingan. That's why Tobi said that he was just a shell of his former self. He really IS just a shell as he only has half his power. And, when he was talking to Zetsu, he said, "I can't believe Nagato used the Rinne Tensei like that, It was supposed to be for me." Now, why would he need to use Rinne Tensei on himself? Sure, Kabuto said, "I am unsure if the "fake Madara" will act according to plan." But, Kabuto most likely doesn't know who Tobi is. He also could be trying to frame Tobi for Madara not being Rinne Tensei revived, even though it wasn't Tobi's fault anyway. Also, name ANYONE else who has those pronounced under eye creases that Madara and tobi do.

So, there ya have it. hope you enjoyed. And, what did you think of the theory?

 

[OopsWrongHole]

Wow I completely understand what you said. But it makes no sense . The edit tensei are done how can Madara bring himself back ? He has no body and muu summoned him with a summon seal, just like kabuto did when he summoned him to show Tobi, so you can throw that one out the window.

But he does have a body, the body he is currently possessing of

 

[0moi]

Okay, guys! I've had a breakthrough. (no, this isn't another troll theory.) I think Tobi might still actually BE Madara. Alright, remember that "Splitting Technique" that Mū used? It actually split his soul into two seperate parts. So, they were actually BOTH the real Mū. Now, we know that Madara fought Mū AND Onoki. So, it's possible, that during the fight, Mū used the splitting technique and Madara copied it with the sharingan. So, Tobi actually IS Madara. The real Madara. Not just a clone. So, right before he gave his eyes to Nagato, he used the Splitting Technique to split himself into two in case something went wrong with the transplant. When one half gave his eyes to Nagato, having a severe power difference to his other half, who is supposed to have the same amount of power, caused his eyes to automatically downgrade back to normal(cuz his eyes couldn't just pop out of his head). After that, something went wrong with the surgery, which started to kill Madara. So, Madara told Tobi to eventually resurrect him. After the death of Madara half #1, Tobi trained to re-awaken his sharingan, since he had no restrictions on his power after Madara's death. However, he could only upgrade it to sharingan. That's why Tobi said that he was just a shell of his former self. He really IS just a shell as he only has half his power. And, when he was talking to Zetsu, he said, "I can't believe Nagato used the Rinne Tensei like that, It was supposed to be for me." Now, why would he need to use Rinne Tensei on himself? Sure, Kabuto said, "I am unsure if the "fake Madara" will act according to plan." But, Kabuto most likely doesn't know who Tobi is. He also could be trying to frame Tobi for Madara not being Rinne Tensei revived, even though it wasn't Tobi's fault anyway. Also, name ANYONE else who has those pronounced under eye creases that Madara and tobi do.

So, there ya have it. hope you enjoyed. And, what did you think of the theory?

Remove the bolded part, Tobi's appearance is the last thing you need for evidence nowadays, your theory is good without that part. Good Job chief no REP though haha

 

[sageadvice]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Forgive me if this has already been covered, as I searched and could find no mention of it, but we know that Tobi read the tablets under the Naka Shrine, and that's likely where he figured out Izanagi. After all, he knew its proper name, consequences, and use prior to ever using it.

Anyway, it strikes me that not only was he able to read a tablet encoded so that only Uchiha eyes could read it, but he also knew where the secret lair under Naka Shrine was and that it existed at all. So, sure, you can tell me that his borrowed eyes read as well as any other Uchiha's, but even Sasuke and other native Uchiha's had no idea that the secret lair existed. That puts Tobi in a very select group of people that knew of its existence, knew where it was, and could read it.

He has to be an Uchiha leader.

well, this is established now. at this point, i'm fairly certain it's Setsuna.

 

[natssuu]

Tobi is Kagami.

1) Looks

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2) Time-line

Tobi has to be someone who was grown man during Second Great Ninja War, so that already excludes many characters but not Kagami.

3) Hints

When Tobi attacked the Leaf Village with Kurama, all elders were shown expect Danzo and Kagami.

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Also, Kagami's teacher was said to be able to do Space-time technique, so Kagami learned it from him and ''perfected'' it.

And when Tobi attacked the Village, how did he go through the barrier without anyone noticing? He must be a former shinobi of the Village.

 

[Anduril]

Haha tobi is the sage of the six paths for sure now

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Okay, guys! I've had a breakthrough. (no, this isn't another troll theory.) I think Tobi might still actually BE Madara. Alright, remember that "Splitting Technique" that Mū used? It actually split his soul into two seperate parts. So, they were actually BOTH the real Mū. Now, we know that Madara fought Mū AND Onoki. So, it's possible, that during the fight, Mū used the splitting technique and Madara copied it with the sharingan. So, Tobi actually IS Madara. The real Madara. Not just a clone. So, right before he gave his eyes to Nagato, he used the Splitting Technique to split himself into two in case something went wrong with the transplant. When one half gave his eyes to Nagato, having a severe power difference to his other half, who is supposed to have the same amount of power, caused his eyes to automatically downgrade back to normal(cuz his eyes couldn't just pop out of his head). After that, something went wrong with the surgery, which started to kill Madara. So, Madara told Tobi to eventually resurrect him. After the death of Madara half #1, Tobi trained to re-awaken his sharingan, since he had no restrictions on his power after Madara's death. However, he could only upgrade it to sharingan. That's why Tobi said that he was just a shell of his former self. He really IS just a shell as he only has half his power. And, when he was talking to Zetsu, he said, "I can't believe Nagato used the Rinne Tensei like that, It was supposed to be for me." Now, why would he need to use Rinne Tensei on himself? Sure, Kabuto said, "I am unsure if the "fake Madara" will act according to plan." But, Kabuto most likely doesn't know who Tobi is. He also could be trying to frame Tobi for Madara not being Rinne Tensei revived, even though it wasn't Tobi's fault anyway. Also, name ANYONE else who has those pronounced under eye creases that Madara and tobi do.

So, there ya have it. hope you enjoyed. And, what did you think of the theory?

so you finally realized it's not izuna... about time lmao

 

[Sasuke2]

IT IS Izuna ...

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

so you finally realized it's not izuna... about time lmao

Lol, I was just trolling with dat theory. I don't really believe that shit. Pfff, as if Tobi is still Madara. Most anti-climactic shit ever. izuna is probably one of the two most plausible options in my opinion.

IT IS Izuna ...

Most likely. Tobi DID clench his arm after all when he was talking about how Izuna gave Madara his eyes.

 

[sageadvice]

Tobi is Kagami.

1) Looks

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2) Time-line

Tobi has to be someone who was grown man during Second Great Ninja War, so that already excludes many characters but not Kagami.

3) Hints

When Tobi attacked the Leaf Village with Kurama, all elders were shown expect Danzo and Kagami.

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Also, Kagami's teacher was said to be able to do Space-time technique, so Kagami learned it from him and ''perfected'' it.

And when Tobi attacked the Village, how did he go through the barrier without anyone noticing? He must be a former shinobi of the Village.

I agree that Kagami is a persuasive choice, but I think Setsuna is a better one.

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Setsuna was an leader in the Uchihas that tried to warn them that the Senju were playing them, but the Uchiha turned their back on him. So:

Grudge against Konoha, check
Grudge against Uchiha, check
About the right age, check
Uchiha leader, check
Hair style, check
Likes weird masks, check
No clear end story, check
Had access to the secret stone writings, check
Would have been known of by Itachi, check
Creasy eyes, check