Nagato cannot use Gedo Mazo in Battle

[Owarij]

Again how did i end up in a tag of war about gedo mazo. My opinion is also based on feats. If naagto hasnt shown a tailed beast powered gedo mazo in a fight why give him this fight in a vs thread. Anyway things should be interesting :ice:

He has shown it... For ever tailed beast, we have seen akatsuki sealing them into gedo mazo..

And we already have a feat of him summoning gedo mazo

So what's the problem?

 

[ImNoOne]

Again how did i end up in a tag of war about gedo mazo. My opinion is also based on feats. If naagto hasnt shown a tailed beast powered gedo mazo in a fight why give him this fight in a vs thread. Anyway things should be interesting :ice:

Should we assume that Edo Madara can't use Outer Path's abilities just because he hasn't shown it or can we assume that as a Rinnegan user he has that ability? The same should go for a Tailed beast fueled Gedo Mazo.

He has shown it... For ever tailed beast, we have seen akatsuki sealing them into gedo mazo..

And we already have a feat of him summoning gedo mazo

So what's the problem?

Sorry Owarij I'm sort of making the same points as you, not a rip off I didn't knew you were taking this one. I read Blaze's first post and hit the Quote button.

 

[Blaze Release]

And I see no reason as to why not. You never read me saying that Nagato would beat Hashirama, I never gave my opinion about that. It so happens that in a prime versus prime fight I give, for example, Madara the ability to summon and control Kurama. I never pronounce my opinion regarding Hashirama and Nagato simply because despite the fact that we know Hashirama in his prime controlled several bijuu we have no information on which nor the extent of his control over them. As far as we know it could be "control" like that Yamato is capable of which seems more like "managing" than control to me. But we are not discussing that issue here only if Nagato could use Gedo Mazo the same way Tobi is, and the truth is that there is no reason for why he couldn't. He had Gedo Mazo and the the tailed beasts and surely he was at least just as experienced Rinnegan user as Tobi.

Manga states that him along with madara can control them so if madara can control the fox and use it during the fight, i guess the control isnt limited to suppressing but also being able to use it in battle.

Guess we have to agree to disagree, but the way i see its tobi that has brought a gedo mazo filled with the beasts into a fights. Nagato's feat is restricted to an empty gedo mazo when he brought it against hanzo

He has shown it... For ever tailed beast, we have seen akatsuki sealing them into gedo mazo..

And we already have a feat of him summoning gedo mazo

So what's the problem?

He does have feat with gedo mazo in battle, but not with one with 7 beasts sealed in it. Anway we have gone off target and the purpose of this thread has been settled to i take it ill also meet you in the next hashirama vs nagato thread then? :ice:

 

[ImNoOne]

I have this feeling that I'm always late in this interesting threads... Whenever I arrive people are already tired of arguing.

 

[TheSages456]

i agree. until nagato uses the bijuu powered gedo mazo in a fight, he only has his empty version that he used against hanzo.

 

[Owarij]

Manga states that him along with madara can control them so if madara can control the fox and use it during the fight, i guess the control isnt limited to suppressing but also being able to use it in battle.

Guess we have to agree to disagree, but the way i see its tobi that has brought a gedo mazo filled with the beasts into a fights. Nagato's feat is restricted to an empty gedo mazo when he brought it against hanzo



He does have feat with gedo mazo in battle, but not with one with 7 beasts sealed in it. Anway we have gone off target and the purpose of this thread has been settled to i take it ill also meet you in the next hashirama vs nagato thread then? :ice:

What have you done :0
This means warr

 

[ImNoOne]

What have you done :0
This means warr

Excelent!!! Please make sure to get us all a public notice so we can all be there to see.

*goes out to buy coke and porncops for the show*

 

[enditallsin]

Well blaze ya know tobi did get supplied a lot what has going for him, like say for instance, tobis six paths of pein is only better than nagatos because of them being edos with tailed beast, rinnegan, and sharingan, tobis gedo mazo is better than is was when nagato had it because it has tailed beast supplying, that doesn't mean nagato can't use them it just simply means he never had the advantages like tobi to do so,what makes you think if the tailed beast weren't sealed inside of gedo mazo that tobi wouldn't have ended up in a emancipated state with a jacked up body? btw its kinda rare that owarij and blaze go at it this is kinda good.

 

[TrollingSage]

How did i get into who gedo mazo should belong to. If nagato was to get the tailed beasts with gedo mazo sealed in them. Hashirama should also be allowed to have the tailed beasts he was controlling when he was alive

Good comparison. Except Hashirama gave away the tailed beasts before he died whereas Nagato kept Gedo Mazo till his death.

 

[raju22]

Nagato need chakra rods impaled in his back to use the soul sucking dragon, but he does not need that to make Gedo fight of the enemy, and even if it is not using soul sucking, with all it's physical strength Gedo statue is a force to reckon with.

 

[FloriGlori]

I agree for the most part. Fact is that the Bijuu do not belong to Nagato, they're a seperate power that needs to be sealed inside Gedo Mazo. If we look at it chronological then yes, Nagato can use Gedo Mazo with seven Bijuu inside it - but then again, if we go by that, Nagato can only use that kind of Gedo Mazo while being crippled, since he didn't possess any Bijuu while being healthy.

So, from the chronological point of view it's either a crippled Nagato with a powered Gedo Mazo or a healthy Nagato with an unpowered Gedo Mazo.

So, in a fair fight, Nagato needs to be impaled by the Chakra rods if he wants Gedo Mazo to use the soul dragon or any Chakra based attack. It can use 'Taijutsu' without impaling him, of course, but did you see how small Gedo Mazo was when Nagato summoned it? Kishi is sometimes pretty sloppy when it comes to size-relations, but this cannot be a coincidence. Whereas now one of Gedo Mazo's fingers is bigger than a human, against Hanzo its entire hand was hardly twice as big as Nagato, making it considerably smaller. That's most likely due to the lack of Chakra; Kyuubi also shrunk drastically after Minato had sealed one half of its Chakra. Well, but that's just my guess. Maybe it was just sloppy drawn by Kishi.

 

[Raito]

Can't Hashirama control Gedo Mazo or suppress its chakra? Yeah, the Biju don't belong to Nagatos power, but the ability to summon Gedo Mazo. This is just like the Edo Tensei, where Ninjas were summoned in order to fight for the summoner.

 

[Blaze Release]

Good comparison. Except Hashirama gave away the tailed beasts before he died whereas Nagato kept Gedo Mazo till his death.

I do respect you, but stop trying to troll me :flaw:. What im saying is that if we are talking about prime (time where they were at their strongest) then hashirama also had the beasts he had under his control

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Basically Nagato can use Gedo Mazo in two ways.

1st Way - Gedo Mazo is summoned but without implanting Nagato in the back with the chakra rods. This Gedo Mazo can only be used for its huge physical prowes. As seen by the scan below it already is functional and already attacking Hanzo's followers. However this Gedo Mazo cannot use the soul sucking dragons as it is implied that huge chakra is needed.

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2nd Way - Gedo mazo is summoned but the chakra rods is implanted in the back of Nagato. It is only when that Gedo Mazo is running chakra through its body that its able to emit the soul sucking dragons.

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However this doesnt mean that Nagato isn't able to use Gedo Mazo in the same way as Tobi does with the 7 tailed beasts inside it. It is only after Nagato's death that Tobi had regained the posession of Gedo Mazo.

 

[Bogard]

I think Nagato can control Gedo Mazo like he want. From your point of view, where do this chakra receivers come from when he summon the Gedo Mazo?

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It's the Gedo Mazo who is probably there to give him that cuz Nagato orderd him to do so. That means he is actually following orders giving from Nagato. If it wasn't the case, chakra receivers won't have come out of him like that and he would have in the contrary attacked Nagato(which is not the case). So like i've said, it's Nagato who controls him and can do attacks he wants with it. He is the one who decided to use the dragon seal jutsu, and to use it i think you must be connected with the Gedo Mazo. That's why Tobi can't use it now.

 

[Icelerate]

Nagato with 7 bijuu is extremely OP. I have a question, in a vs thread are we allowed to give Madara Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu because he has Susanoo or is that not allowed because he has no feats using it.

 

[Memoria]

Well Nagato did summon Gedo Mazo with the tailed beasts sealed inside it in Akatsuki meetings, just because he didn't summon it in battle doesn't mean he can't, use your head.

 

[Munboy]

Nagato summoned Gedo Mazo to use the dragons, Tobi did not. That's why one got pierced and the other didn't. The only confirmed skill Tobi has over Nagato with the Rinnegan is the ability to freely make use of the Outer Path chains.

Nothing really says Nagato can't summon Gedo Mazo out on its own to fight. Just like nothing really says Totsuka, Yata's mirror and Tsukuyomi are Itachi exclusive.

 

[Zlad]

I agree, it's so funny how every thread turn to Hashirama VS someone, or else.

 

[TrollingSage]

I do respect you, but stop trying to troll me :flaw:. What im saying is that if we are talking about prime (time where they were at their strongest) then hashirama also had the beasts he had under his control

Ok fair enough. I was trolling though. Just making a point.