Nagato cannot use Gedo Mazo in Battle

[Blaze Release]

Ive been lurking through the recent vs threads which is basically about hashirama vs nagato (this is not a thread to discuss that btw) and i keep on seeing people throwing ninjutsu's around with out them fully knowing how a technique works.

Nagato's way of using gedo mazo is very different from tobi's way. To put it simple, nagato cannot use gezo mazo the same way as tobi.

In nagato's case in order to use gedo mazo, black rod's or should i say chakra receivers impale his back. The reason for this is so that, gedo mazo can function with nagato's chakra through the chakra receivers;

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Gedo mazo is the same as the paths to an extent. Both need nagato's chakra to function/to come alive and that is what the chakra receivers are for;

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So if you state that nagato can use gedo mazo you must accept the fact that the chakra transmitters will impale him in his back.

Tobi however, the reason why gedo mazo doesnt impale him is because that gedo mazo has the tailed beasts (shukaku only now because of the paths) sealed in it. The tailed beasts are masses of chakra and that is what provides tobi's gedo mazo to work without it needing to impale him;

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[TouchMyMangos]

He obviously can, it is just a last resort.

 

[Kettei]

i believe he can

 

[Bogard]

It's for the dragon seal jutsu that he needs a connection with Gedo Mazo. If Tobi wants to do this dragon seal, he will also have to connect himself with Gedo Mazo. It's the only reason why they don't use Gedo Mazo the same way. Nagato at that time wanted to kill them quickly(intend to kill because of his dead friend) and it's why he did that

 

[Invsblphntm]

He can use it with tailed beasts and it's basically game over once he gets imaciated anyway, so it doesn't matter.

 

[kmrasengan]

he can, but he shouldn't. there is a difference. nut i understand what you mean

 

[TouchMyMangos]

It's for the dragon seal jutsu that he needs a connection with Gedo Mazo. If Tobi wants to do this dragon seal, he will also have to connect himself with Gedo Mazo. It's the only reason why they don't use Gedo Mazo the same way. Nagato at that time wanted to kill them quickly(intend to kill because of his dead friend) and it's why he did that

And the dragon seal is a one hit KO without Body Flicker. So if Gedo comes out it's pretty much GG for most opponents.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

He can summon Gedo Mazo in battle it was attacking soldiers before it Synced which you conveniently left out

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then he syncs to use the dragon technique

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He was sealing with Gedo Mazo as well for 200 chapters which when the first beast was sealed he didnt sync

Nagato can use Gedo Mazo in battle

 

[Blaze Release]

It's for the dragon seal jutsu that he needs a connection with Gedo Mazo. If Tobi wants to do this dragon seal, he will also have to connect himself with Gedo Mazo. It's the only reason why they don't use Gedo Mazo the same way. Nagato at that time wanted to kill them quickly(intend to kill because of his dead friend) and it's why he did that

The reason why the chakra receivers impaled him is so that he can use gezo mazo and in that scenario he used the soul ripping dragon. The receivers that impaled him is for chakra which in return allowed him to use the dragon technique

 

[Exaar]

Wasn't nagato still alive when the 7beasts were sealed inside gedo mazo?

So i see no reason why Nagato couldn't of summoned Gedo Mazo and used it exactly like tobi is using it.
Since it would still have the biiju sealed inside it.

 

[Blaze Release]

He can summon Gedo Mazo in battle it was attacking soldiers before it Synced which you conveniently left out

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then he syncs to use the dragon technique

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He was sealing with Gedo Mazo as well for 200 chapters which when the first beast was sealed he didnt sync

Nagato can use Gedo Mazo in battle

Think you read the title and just posted. I know he can use it in battle what im saying is that there are draw backs to him using it in battle.

Secondly he used a fuinjutsu's to seal the gaara's shukaku. In that case it didnt need to sync with it because he wasnt directly using it. like he can summon it, and in that case nothing happens, but when he then uses it battle he has to sync.

Wasn't nagato still alive when the 7beasts were sealed inside gedo mazo?

So i see no reason why Nagato couldn't of summoned Gedo Mazo and used it exactly like tobi is using it.
Since it would still have the biiju sealed inside it.

If he had used gedo mazo after a tailed beast was sealed in it then yes there would be no need for chakra receivers, but at the time he used it against hanzo obviously there was no tailed beasts sealed in it

 

[izinagi54]

he can but as far as common tech no its a last but powerful last resort

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Think you read the title and just posted. I know he can use it in battle what im saying is that there are draw backs to him using it in battle.

Secondly he used a fuinjutsu's to seal the gaara's shukaku. In that case it didnt need to sync with it because he didnt have to. like he can summon it, and in that case nothing happens, but when he then uses it battle he has to sync.

Nope i read the whole 'post' thanks for your concern

He clearly used Gedo here to attack the soldiers now at this point is Nagato synced with Gedo?

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Oh so now its only techniques you say Gedo can you use in battle so Fuuinutsu yeah but Gedo cant move around even though it was attacking soldiers before he synced

Whos Tobi Kishimoto

 

[svladcjelli42]

So we all agree that he *can probably use the dragon seal if he chose to materialize and impale himself, which would be a somewhat unTobilike way to fight? If forced to dematerialize, presumably the chakra receivers would fall out and he'd have holes in his body until he regenerated.

 

[Stark]

That dragon Soul jutsu needs the chakra rods

 

[Kurogane]

The chakra rod was implanted so that nagato can use 'the dragon who can takes soul away' jutsu.
If he doesn't want to use that jutsu then the rod didn't have to be implanted and thus nagato can freely manipulate gedo mazo on the battlefield.

 

[Exaar]

If he had used gedo mazo after a tailed beast was sealed in it then yes there would be no need for chakra receivers, but at the time he used it against hanzo obviously there was no tailed beasts sealed in it

But he did have Gedo mazo when the beasts were being sealed, Tobi only took it after nagato's death.
Unless nagato somehow lost the ability to summon it after that battle with hanzo.

So if we say Nagato (with everything he had befor he died) vs Hashirama, We should count the 7biiju inside gedo mazo.

 

[Blaze Release]

Nope i read the whole 'post' thanks for your concern

He clearly used Gedo here to attack the soldiers now at this point is Nagato synced with Gedo?

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Shouldve contiuned to the next 2 pages you'd see what i mean. Summoning it has no precautions, when he has to use the dragon ripping soul technique, thats when the receivers impale him

Oh so now its only techniques you say Gedo can you use in battle so Fuuinutsu yeah but Gedo cant move around even though it was attacking soldiers before he synced

Not sure what you mean. Summoning gedo mazo is not enough for the chakra receivers to impale him. Once he plans on using gedo mazo for offensiveness like the soul ripping chakra, he needs the chakra receivers to impale him.

Anyway once gedo mazo has been used. The technique Fuinjutsu: Genryu Kyufujin is to seal the tailed beasts into it and thats about it.

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Sealing Technique: Phantom¹ Dragons Nine Consuming Seals (封印術・幻龍九封尽, Fuuinjutsu: Genryuu Kyuufuujin)
Ninjutsu, Fuuinjutsu, S-rank, Supplementary
User: Pain

The captured jinchuuriki² are generally sealed inside this giant statue!

The users are ten of the greatest shinobi. With all members deeply concentrating, the sealing statue is started up and with the "absorption chakra" released from the mouth, the Bijuu's³ chakra is extracted and then sealed. The chakra of the "Bijuu" is massive; the invocation of this technique spans several days, even for Akatsuki-class users. For regular shinobi, even just starting up the statue would be impossible.

[picture of the nine dragons emerging from the statue's mouth]
[pictures of the statue's eyes opening]
←↑The "absorption chakra" is shaped into nine dragons and the chakra of the "Bijuu" is consumed and sealed. After the sealing is complete, the statue opens his eyes.

¹ The "gen" in "Genryuu" is the same as the "gen" in "genjutsu". It means "phantom" or "illusion" and although it is usually translated as "illusion," I went with "phantom" here since it fits better in my opinion; although the dragons are ethereal, they are not illusionary.
² Jinchuuriki (人柱力) means the "power of human sacrifice". They're the hosts of the Bijuu.
³ Bijuu (尾獣), the "Tailed Beasts".
Third Databook, Page 294

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What im trying to tell you is that, the fuinjutsu isnt a gedo mazo technique. Its a technique to seal a tailed beast in gedo mazo. Summoning it by itself has no precautions and the same goes to sealing a tailed beast. If he wants to use gedo mazo for the dragon technique, then the chakra receivers will have to impale him

 

[Blaze Release]

But he did have Gedo mazo when the beasts were being sealed, Tobi only took it after nagato's death.
Unless nagato somehow lost the ability to summon it after that battle with hanzo.

So if we say Nagato (with everything he had befor he died) vs Hashirama, We should count the 7biiju inside gedo mazo.

No, its tobi who wields the gedo mazo with the 7 tailed beasts. Nagato wields an empty gedo mazo. We cannot say that nagato also wields this along with the 7 tailed beasts when he doesnt

 

[Exaar]

No, its tobi who wields the gedo mazo with the 7 tailed beasts. Nagato wields an empty gedo mazo. We cannot say that nagato also wields this along with the 7 tailed beasts when he doesnt

Why not.

He was still alive when the 7biiju were sealed inside gedo Mazo.

Unless he lost the ability to summon Gedo mazo during the time skip, then we should count it.