Zabuza and Haku vs Nagato

[Joki]

I'm bored, can someone debate this with me. I obviously think Nagato wins but I want to debate for Zabuza and Haku since it will be fun and I have nothing better to do.

Location: an Ocean
Distance: 100 meters
Zabuza and Haku have full knowledge, Nagato knows Zabuza is a 7 swordsman
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IMO Zabuza and Haku stomp, what about you guys? I'm pretty sure mostly everyone will say Nagato but hey man you never know.

Oh yeah and Nagato is mobile. Unless it's a stomp then he's immobile. But it won't make a big difference.

 

[Drakengard]

Better than starting a multi-page Nagato vs. Hashirama thread ^.-

 

[Cerox0]

I see this becoming funny spiderman image thread.


Nagato universal pulls them into chakra rod. Dead.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Mobile Nagato stomps so easily

Immobile Nagato still stomps because even in the mist he can still sense both of them, and he has more than enough to deal with both, even Zabuza's taijutsu with his sword will be owned by Asura Path missiles

 

[Joki]

Better than starting a multi-page Nagato vs. Hashirama thread ^.-

Yeah even in those the votes aren't unanimous so people may eventually vote for Zabuza, my main man.

On topic, Zabuza can send water clones who simply reform and take shinra tenseis, and attack while Nagato wastes them. Hidden Mist blinds Nagato so he has 2 options, ST or Preta Path. Zabuza won't use Ninjutsu because he knows about Preta so when he uses ST, Clone Number Dos comes in and cuts Nagato in half when he wastes an ST.

And Haku is there to help, and Zabuza can send more clones. So if Nagato dodges he'll be faced with another one to attack him from behind, and he's fighting completely in the blind in the first place. He'll have to blindly spam shinra tensei and the clones will just attack him when he waits for a cool down and Preta is useless.

Then the clones will just liquify if he tries Asura path, and Human Path wouldn't work, and Haku can transport Zabuza and clones via mirrors. For summons, well they're on a damn ocean for one and giant waterfall vortex and water dragons take care of them, plus they're also blinded.

I see this becoming funny spiderman image thread.

Nagato universal pulls them into chakra rod. Dead.

That won't work because of the 100 meter distance and there's 2 of them. If he uses Bansho Tenin the other member can attack and it would be best not to waste Bansho Tenin when he can't see in the mist.

So he would just slice Zabuza with a chakra rod and it would liquify into water when another clone cuts him in half from behind, or similar.

Immobile Nagato still stomps because even in the mist he can still sense both of them, and he has more than enough to deal with both, even Zabuza's taijutsu with his sword will be owned by Asura Path missiles

He can't, Mist is a perfect counter to doujutsu, plus Mei proved this when she used it VS rinnegan in the war. Asura path won't work because he's still blinded in the mist and it will just blow up clones while Zabuza chills in the back or in the water and spams with more. If he uses Asura path clones will overwhelm him and still cut him in half, and if he uses ST the water clones will reform or he will make more.

 

[Cerox0]

Yeah even in those the votes aren't unanimous so people may eventually vote for Zabuza, my main man.

On topic, Zabuza can send water clones who simply reform and take shinra tenseis, and attack while Nagato wastes them. Hidden Mist blinds Nagato so he has 2 options, ST or Preta Path. Zabuza won't use Ninjutsu because he knows about Preta so when he uses ST, Clone Number Dos comes in and cuts Nagato in half when he wastes an ST.

And Haku is there to help, and Zabuza can send more clones. So if Nagato dodges he'll be faced with another one to attack him from behind, and he's fighting completely in the blind in the first place. He'll have to blindly spam shinra tensei and the clones will just attack him when he waits for a cool down and Preta is useless.

Then the clones will just liquify if he tries Asura path, and Human Path wouldn't work, and Haku can transport Zabuza and clones via mirrors. For summons, well they're on a damn ocean for one and giant waterfall vortex and water dragons take care of them, plus they're also blinded.

That won't work because of the 100 meter distance and there's 2 of them. If he uses Bansho Tenin the other member can attack and it would be best not to waste Bansho Tenin when he can't see in the mist.

So he would just slice Zabuza with a chakra rod and it would liquify into water when another clone cuts him in half from behind, or similar.

He can pull more then one thing.

Ex: naruto and the meteor, he would pull both of them. And what good will 100 meters do for those 2 close ranged fighters.

You should have made the thread Deva path vs these 2.

 

[Joki]

He can pull more then one thing.

Ex: naruto and the meteor, he would pull both of them. And what good will 100 meters do for those 2 close ranged fighters.

You should have made the thread Deva path vs these 2.

What is he going to pull, they're both from 100 meters away and they're in the middle of an ocean. he can't pull both of them because he wouldn't be able to hurt them both. 100 Meters lets Zabuza easily make a water clone appear beside Nagato in that time and cut him in half while he tries to chakra rod eitgher of them, and Haku can create a mirror to transport behind Nagato.

And again, he's blinded by the mist so he can't see them to Bansho Tenin anyway, and if he tries to chakra rod Zabuza can slash with his sword, it's a much longer reach than chakra rods and it would just be a clone anyway.

I would have made it Deva Path but then Zabuza and Haku would actually win. This is a match I'm debating for fun sinceI have nothing better to do and know everyone will say Nagato wins so I have a lot of people to argue against lol. And I want to see if someone can convincingly get me to "believe" Nagato wins. Hmmm. Or see if I can convince anyone that Zabuza or Haku could win lol. But it's doubtful, it's a fun idea though since I'm bored. xC

Lol I like how I changed the wording in 1 whole sentence like 4 times, and then the one time I notice a lack of apostrophe I change the apostrophe in my post so THEN it says "last edited by". Thanks a lot NB >=(

 

[Cerox0]

What is he going to pull, they're both from 100 meters away and they're in the middle of an ocean. he can't pull both of them because he wouldn't be able to hurt them both. 100 Meters lets Zabuza easily make a water clone appear beside Nagato in that time and cut him in half while he tries to chakra rod eitgher of them, and Haku can create a mirror to transport behind Nagato.

And again, he's blinded by the mist so he can't see them to Bansho Tenin anyway, and if he tries to chakra rod Zabuza can slash with his sword, it's a much longer reach than chakra rods and it would just be a clone anyway.

I would have made it Deva Path but then Zabuza and Haku would actually win. This is a match I'm debating for fun sinceI have nothing better to do and know everyone will say Nagato wins so I have a lot of people to argue against lol. And I want to see if someone can convincingly get me to "believe" Nagato wins. Hmmm. Or see if I can convince anyone that Zabuza or Haku could win lol. But it's doubtful, it's a fun idea though since I'm bored. xC

lol xD what will they do against Celestial Terra Blast. He doesn't even need to see the mist assasins because they will be pulled to the center and crushed.

P.S 100 meters away I think clones would disappear if zabuza just spammed them to nagato.

 

[Drakengard]

What would happen if he used CT it the ocean? Would it just be like one giant water sphere in the sky

 

[Cerox0]

What would happen if he used CT it the ocean? Would it just be like one giant water sphere in the sky

even worse, they drown -.-

 

[Joki]

lol xD what will they do against Celestial Terra Blast. He doesn't even need to see the mist assasins because they will be pulled to the center and crushed.

P.S 100 meters away I think clones would disappear if zabuza just spammed them to nagato.

Well for one it's one gigantic ball of water and they're water ninja, but the water pressure would be interesting lol. Haku's mirrors can port them out.

Here's what they do, kill Nagato while he does it. If he used CT then it's a pretty dumb move, first he's blinded in the mist and Zabuza uses Silent Killing as he throws the ball. Remember that Itachi Naruto and Itachi had a few minutes to formulate a plan? While Nagato is weakened from the CT sphere Zabuza appears and cuts him in half(and if it's ST or similar, then it's a water clone). Plus they have full knowledge of CT.

And most water ninja can control the pressure in the water, they could probably just swim out like when Kisame and Zabuza both adjusted the pressure in the water/and in water prison.

 

[Cerox0]

Well for one it's one gigantic ball of water and they're water ninja, but the water pressure would be interesting lol. Haku's mirrors can port them out.

Here's what they do, kill Nagato while he does it. If he used CT then it's a pretty dumb move, first he's blinded in the mist and Zabuza uses Silent Killing as he throws the ball. Remember that Itachi Naruto and Itachi had a few minutes to formulate a plan? While Nagato is weakened from the CT sphere Zabuza appears and cuts him in half(and if it's ST or similar, then it's a water clone). Plus they have full knowledge of CT.



And most water ninja can control the pressure in the water, they could probably just swim out like when Kisame and Zabuza both adjusted the pressure in the water/and in water prison.

It was never said if Haku could port other people then himself from the mirrors.

It's not as simple as that, CT isn't just 1giant rock to form and throw. It's pulls everything around including people.

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zabuza and haku can do nothing since they will be sucked up into the air and drown, it's not about pressure they have no means of breathing underwater. Nobody has shown this feat except kisame fused with sharskin, which he also happens to have gills.


Asfor the whole "aim their strongest attacks at ct" it won't work, they don't have the firepower required. It took a TBB, Totsukae blade, and RS to do it.

 

[Joki]

It was never said if Haku could port other people then himself from the mirrors.

This is something pretty obvious it's like saying Muu can't split his Jinton because only Onoki showed how. But yeah:

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It's not as simple as that, CT isn't just 1giant rock to form and throw. It's pulls everything around including people.
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zabuza and haku can do nothing since they will be sucked up into the air and drown, it's not about pressure they have no means of breathing underwater. Nobody has shown this feat except kisame fused with sharskin, which he also happens to have gills.


Asfor the whole "aim their strongest attacks at ct" it won't work, they don't have the firepower required. It took a TBB, Totsukae blade, and RS to do it.

Yeah, did you forget the next pages where they talked for a hella long time formulating a strategy? That is plenty of time, firstly Nagato is blind, secondly he will be attacked from every direction by multiple clone feints and Haku. And he has to pump maximum chakra, not only that but he would be weakened. They can kill him when he uses CT easily.

And I'll get the panel where Zabuza adjusts the pressure and all that eventually but no like it would matter lol, and Haku can still port away or use an

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[Cerox0]

This is something pretty obvious it's like saying Muu can't split his Jinton because only Onoki showed how. But yeah:

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Yeah, did you forget the next pages where they talked for a hella long time formulating a strategy? That is plenty of time, firstly Nagato is blind, secondly he will be attacked from every direction by multiple clone feints and Haku. And he has to pump maximum chakra, not only that but he would be weakened. They can kill him when he uses CT easily.

And I'll get the panel where Zabuza adjusts the pressure and all that eventually but no like it would matter lol, and Haku can still port away or use an

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Yeah I know Haku can port, I'm saying that doesn't mean he can bring zabuza with him.

Again they were talking for a long time because that's all they could do, Haku and zabuza would be immobile. They don't have any TBB like jutsus, anything they used to attack would go to the CT and not nagato. He is untouchable to them.

It was said in the Panel how strong the gravitational pull was, in other words Haku and Zabuza have nothing to hurt nagato. All clones would get sucked up, and if haku port's he'll get sucked up nonetheless.

Doesn't matter that's he's blind, if everything is gravitationally pulled into 1 direction and it can't be destroyed you basically win.

 

[Joki]

Yeah I know Haku can port, I'm saying that doesn't mean he can bring zabuza with him.

Again they were talking for a long time because that's all they could do, Haku and zabuza would be immobile. They don't have any TBB like jutsus, anything they used to attack would go to the CT and not nagato. He is untouchable to them.

It was said in the Panel how strong the gravitational pull was, in other words Haku and Zabuza have nothing to hurt nagato. All clones would get sucked up, and if haku port's he'll get sucked up nonetheless.

Doesn't matter that's he's blind, if everything is gravitationally pulled into 1 direction and it can't be destroyed you basically win.

He's not untouchable, they're surrounded by a huge ocean. Zabuza can make 1 handsign to kill Nagato while he uses CT.

Nothing was ever stated that you become "Frozen" when you get sucked up, they can easily kill him when he uses it and it's doubtful it would kill them anyway. Itachi and Naruto had time to move, form FRS, enter Susano'o while talking and KB even entered Hachibi.

Zabuza can make a handsign it's not that hard and Haku can port, Nagato would be killed by clones and Executioner Blade when he tries CT. And like I said, it should matter when he's blind because he won't be able to see what Zabuza has in store, he could be using an extremely powerful technique on him that he wouldn't be able to counter, using CT would be stupid to waste his chakra that way.

When Nagato dies the CT would be released so it doesn't really matter, and yeah, like I said nothing suggests Haku wouldn't be able to take people with him but it's not too relevant.

 

[Cerox0]

He's not untouchable, they're surrounded by a huge ocean. Zabuza can make 1 handsign to kill Nagato while he uses CT.

Nothing was ever stated that you become "Frozen" when you get sucked up, they can easily kill him when he uses it and it's doubtful it would kill them anyway. Itachi and Naruto had time to move, form FRS, enter Susano'o while talking and KB even entered Hachibi.

Zabuza can make a handsign it's not that hard and Haku can port, Nagato would be killed by clones and Executioner Blade when he tries CT. And like I said, it should matter when he's blind because he won't be able to see what Zabuza has in store, he could be using an extremely powerful technique on him that he wouldn't be able to counter, using CT would be stupid to waste his chakra that way.

When Nagato dies the CT would be released so it doesn't really matter, and yeah, like I said nothing suggests Haku wouldn't be able to take people with him but it's not too relevant.

The Gr-av-i-ty, would pull everything upward, nagato is below the CT. Hence he will not be touched because everything would go above him.

Zabuza would not do 1 hand seal as it took him 44 to make a simple water dragon WITH water.

Naruto Bee and Itachi had time to move, but as itachi said the attacks would get sucked up by the gravity, that's why they didn't target nagato because they couldn't.

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Regardless. Zabuza uses the hidden mist as you say. Nagato shinra tensei's it away. Then uses Animal path to use the summonings for shared vision, now that everything is clear Nagato will Universal pull both haku and zabuza and slaughter them.

 

[TheItachiUchiha]

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[Joki]

The Gr-av-i-ty, would pull everything upward, nagato is below the CT. Hence he will not be touched because everything would go above him.

Zabuza would not do 1 hand seal as it took him 44 to make a simple water dragon WITH water.

Naruto Bee and Itachi had time to move, but as itachi said the attacks would get sucked up by the gravity, that's why they didn't target nagato because they couldn't.

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Regardless. Zabuza uses the hidden mist as you say. Nagato shinra tensei's it away. Then uses Animal path to use the summonings for shared vision, now that everything is clear Nagato will Universal pull both haku and zabuza and slaughter them.

Yeah, but I'm not saying they're going to attack the sphere. They're surrounded by an ocean, in the time it took Itachi and Naruto and Bee to talk and create a plan, he and Haku could make 1 handsign, and create 1 water clone to kill Nagato. He doesn't have to be affected because the effect of the CT is far from instant. It's not like the second it's thrown Zabuza and Haku instantly appear in the center of the sphere are water crushes them, you know this. Zabuza can make 1 water clone next to Nagato, or Haku make a mirror behind Nagato to kill him when he uses CT. Plus he can't even see them in the first place so it's a bad move, if he tries to use CT he'll make noise and Zabuza will appear and kill him.

He can't ST away hundred meter wide loads of Mist, but Zabuza will just make more. And the summons can be dealt with:

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When he uses BT on them(even though he can't see to do so) Haku ports behind him w/mirror, or as he slashes Zabuza with chakra rod it disperses into liquid as Nagato gets chopped in half.

 

[ThisOneDude]

Ok well Zabuza is a dog but he and haku still loose but no so easily as some may think. also Joki u have alot of good points with Zabuza

 

[soulless uchiha]

nagato stomps SO hard