Lol the sad thing is you think your right
My soup is hot is not My illusionary soup technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken.I didnt want to have a english debate but you clearly seem incapable of realiszing your wrong so here goes
My is a possessive
Illusionary is a adjective
Technique is a noun
Tsukuyomi
My illusionary technique is referring to the the technique tsukuyomi to be Itachis own brand of Tsukuyomi the sentence My illusionary technique of Tsukuyomi cannot be broken
My illusionary technique referring to the technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken
Hopefully you will understand and stop arguing but maybe its hard to understand that My is referring to the illusionary tecnhique and the Tsukuyomi is the name
My illusionary Technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken
Referring to the technique tsukuyomi
Bee broke a version of Tsukuyomi so the technique has been proven to be broken
btw im right and if other people think i look stupid i really couldnt care because they would be wrong
"My" is meaning his own dojutsu alone... this is what he is trying to explain to u. Others are not the same as his. Its seems ur arguments are loosing support, u should probably throw in the towel instead of seeming like ur in denial.
Irregardless he said the illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken pathetic maybe but it still means the technique Tsukuyomi as opposed to his version
"My" is meaning his own dojutsu alone... this is what he is trying to explain to u. Others are not the same as his. Its seems ur arguments are loosing support, u should probably throw jn the towel instead of seeming like ur in denial.
What? My is referring to the illusionary technique Tsukuyomi
Technique is a noun and Tsukuyomi is a name(which technically is a noun) You cannot have two nouns together without an adjective referring to the first one
Irregardless he said the illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken pathetic maybe but it still means the technique Tsukuyomi as opposed to his version
What? My is referring to the illusionary technique Tsukuyomi
Technique is a noun and Tsukuyomi is a name(which technically is a noun) You cannot have two nouns together without an adjective referring to the first one
He clearly did refer to the technique on a whole its written in the manga 'My illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken' besides My was referring to the illusionary technique Tsukuyomi not the version
Anyway its already been said it doesn't matter what you believe because he said Tsukuyomi as a whole
My Illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken if we are using the laws of english grammar means he is refering to the technique Tsukuyomi we can debate all day long what is not in the manga
He clearly did refer to the technique on a whole its written in the manga 'My illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken' besides My was referring to the illusionary technique Tsukuyomi not the version
Anyway its already been said it doesn't matter what you believe because he said Tsukuyomi as a whole
My Illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken if we are using the laws of english grammar means he is refering to the technique Tsukuyomi we can debate all day long what is not in the manga
He clearly did refer to the technique on a whole its written in the manga 'My illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken' besides My was referring to the illusionary technique Tsukuyomi not the version
Anyway its already been said it doesn't matter what you believe because he said Tsukuyomi as a whole
My Illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be broken if we are using the laws of english grammar means he is refering to the technique Tsukuyomi we can debate all day long what is not in the manga
Hmm, so if you can control your Bijuu, you can't be controlled by Genjutsu?
That means, Naruto is Immune to Sasuke's crap.
Another reason Naruto>Sasuke.
*Which means. . .
Naruto's a Baby Sage of Six Paths.
Sasuke's a Baby Madara.
Dude, you’re attacking the argument wrong. You should be focusing on the fact that Itachi is a known liar, at that time, so it would be reasonable to assume that it was hyperbole, because every genjutsu can be broken ( the exception being muugen tsukuyomi), even his, the problem lies with how fast you can do it.
A perfect jinchuuriki can break any genjutsu, and this was said by a reliable source.
Dude, you’re attacking the argument wrong. You should be focusing on the fact that Itachi is a known liar, at that time, so it would be reasonable to assume that it was hyperbole, because every genjutsu can be broken ( the exception being muugen tsukuyomi), even his, the problem lies with how fast you can do it.
A perfect jinchuuriki can break any genjutsu, and this was said by a reliable source.
Lol xd somehow i think saying Itachi is a liar just wouldn't cut it i dont think he had any reason to lie for either besides im right ,if that's attacking a argument wrong then whats right lol
I agree with this part but that is not enough for Uchiha die hards therefore this is the only real way to proof it through wording loopholes and proof
Ow Gawd this guy is a idiot, no wonder ive been told several times to go to leave this place and go to naturoforums instead because this place is littered with people like you. Reason why i decide to come here is because that other place can be boring at times.
Its no wonder that i decided not to take my time with you and uploaded patched up posts i made months ago and never really took my time with you. Its the same you who still believed that a technique nagato didnt show in the manga but in the anime is valid, yet if kishi hasnt given a character a technique he doesnt have it. Its the same you who believed nagato had more feats and yet everybody kept telling you that kabuto, tobi and naruto all have greater feats. Its the same you who still believe nagato is stronger than tobi and madara, and yet you wonder why i said what i did in the quote below;
It seems what has been stated in the manga about genjutsu in respect to how you need high intelligence to understand, it seems that isnt limited to the manga but also real life. Although still i wouldnt say high intelligence but rather average intelligence. Too many fails, if i was to take my time and correct all the failures it will be too much time wasted and im certain you still wouldnt be able to grasp what i said
First of all i made that theory months even before you, this is in respect to KA. If you can grasp the English language you'd note that its a theory a nothing more, until its been directly stated in the manga that, that is how you break KA. Secondly did you not for a second think that the reason Mifune came back to his senses was because after danzo was caught out by Ao he released the technique therefore mifune came back to his senses.
That theory that i made was average at best and the theory on A's raiton armour making him immune to genjutsu was more impressive and that theory have been proven wrong in the latest manga. The reason why the OP, one of the few people here i respect ISpeak labelled it a theory is because that is exactly what it is.
You say sensor's can get out of the technique, firstly NO. If you are being controlled you wouldnt even know that you are in an illusion, that is the whole point of the technique, the person who its being used against do not know that they are being controlled therefore sensor or not you are not aware of what is going on.
I dont even know what you mean by 1 shot genjutsu, i can tell you that genjutsu hasnt killed, but genjutsu has gotten the better of high calibre opponents. Do you know why onoki stated directly to the alliance army to avoid eye contact with madara. Do you know why chiyo said that if facing an uchiha 1 vs 1 you should run away, but if its 2 vs 1 there is a strategy to counter genjutsu. Do you know why kabuto after all his sm ability and enhancements has gone through heaven and hell to avoid eye contact. Do you know why gai created his counter to genjutsu. Do you know why kakashi told kurenai and asuma not to look into itachi's eyes during tsukuyomi. Whilst genjutsu hasnt killed there is a reason why its feared by kage level ninja's. Just look at the kage level ninja's that genjutsu has taken over.
Secondly you talk about tsukuyomi and yet state BEE. First of all the ms genjutsu sasuke used on bee has never in the manga been called tsukuyomi. Even after the latest chapters, when the brothers used the same techniques the manga called it amaterasu;
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Yet in the same chapter when both used genjutsu the manga distinguishes the two genjutsu's;
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Sasuke had the ms on and the manga called his sharingan genjutsu. Itachi had his on and the manga called it tsukuyomi. Link me once where the manga has ever called sasuke's genjutsu tsukuyomi.
Secondly sasuke used the same genjutsu he used on bee on danzo and Zetsu. In both cases he activated the ms.
Against danzo;
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Against zetsu;
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Danzo then released himself from the technique using the normal way to get out of genjutsu when he said RELEASED;
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Zetsu was able to stand on his feat and even run after sasuke's genjutsu;
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What bee did with the hachibi is nothing special. Another way to get out of normal genjutsu is for a partner to disrupt your chakra and in bee's case his partner is the tailed beasts. Danzo released the technique like any other genjutsu. Zetsu was able to stand on his feat and even run after sasuke's genjutsu. Do you think either danzo can release himself from itachi's tsukuyomi using normal means. Or do you think zetsu will be able to stand and even run after he has eaten itachi's tsukuyomi.
Even tobi went as far as calling sasuke's genjutsu a weak genjutsu;
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Even though the manga has never called sasuke's genjutsu tsukuyomi the manga states that in order to activate susano you must have amaterasu and tsukuyomi, BUT in the manga sasuke states that you must have mastery of both ms eyes to activate it;
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If we were to go by the manga this could mean any 2 ms techniques, if we go by the DB it states tsukuyomi and amaterasu, but regardless the manga has made clear that the brother's have their proficiency in a different technique. Sasuke proficiency is with amaterasu and has even gone further and created blaze release. Itachi proficiency with genjutsu has allowed him to take his ms genjutsu further and could do alot more in that genjutsu. Alot more than what sasuke can do and even in the manga danzo mocks sasuke of this and talks about itachi ms genjutsu;
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Itachi later talks about his own tsukuyomi and his proficiency in this technique when he said MY illusion where he control, space, time matter;
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Do you not think if kakashi could release himself from the genjutsu he woudlve or do you not believe kakashi can release genjutsu. Look at how zetsu was able to regain his composure after sasuke's genjutsu and was even able to run a mile, yet itachi's genjutsu got the better of kakashi so much so that he collapsed and stayed in hospital for a week;
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You talk about having the rinnegan therefore nagato can break itachi's tsukuyomi but you are wrong. First of all nagato is similar to kakashi in the sense that both have transplanted eyes, yes nagatos rinnegan is translated, but im certain you'd deny this as well. Having the rinnegan like the sharingan should allow nagato some resistance to itachi's tsukuyomi, but like kakashi it will get the better of him because he still doesnt meet the requirements to get past itachi's tsukuyomi and this is what the DB states;
Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!
Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.
Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.
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-An inner hell as eternal as Heaven and Earth. The grip held onto the principles of all creation thoroughly annihilates one's heart and soul!!
-The ultimate doujutsu made possible only by Mangekyou Sharingan.
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-The moment the adversary is exposed to Mangekyou Sharingan, a strange realm as they've never seen before extends before their eyes. In there, the world's principles themselves obey the caster's beck and call.
-Since attacks in the spiritual realm have no power to physically wound or kill, it bestows an unfathomable amount of mental damage.
-Only those of Uchiha blood...
-The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.
Databook 2, pages 252-253
Or to further stipulate it here you go "Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes."
Why do you think that kakashi after going through that hell, decided to use gai's counter to genjutsu even after gaining the ms. Its because he still doesnt fulfill the requirements to break itachi's genjutsu;
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Even kakashi after gaining the ms still decided to use gai's counter instead because he still isnt too keen on getting mind rapped a second time. Just because you have the eyes whether sharingan, ms or rinnegan isnt the only thing that is needed to get out of the technique.
SO no even if you are a sensor you still do not meet the requirements to break itachi's tsukuyomi. Secondly, shee and fu are sensor's are genjutsu has gotten the better of them;
Shee;
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You are however right, being a sensor will make life easier for you to know when you are in a genjutsu or not, but there are certain genjutsu's that whether sensor or not once its affected you, thats it. Paralysis genjutsu whether sensor or not, its harder to break because the clue is in the name, it paralysis the opponent. Normal genjutsu which is used to confuse an opponent once a ninja releases that they are in an illusion they would be able to get oput of it. Being a sensor doesnt mean you can break genjutsu, it means you are more aware that you are in one, but regardless certain genjutsu's meet certain requirements
Anyway im not replying back because im certain you still wouldnt be able to grasp what i just said.
Dude, you’re attacking the argument wrong. You should be focusing on the fact that Itachi is a known liar, at that time, so it would be reasonable to assume that it was hyperbole, because every genjutsu can be broken ( the exception being muugen tsukuyomi), even his, the problem lies with how fast you can do it.
A perfect jinchuuriki can break any genjutsu, and this was said by a reliable source.
Lol xd somehow i think saying Itachi is a liar just wouldn't cut it i dont think he had any reason to lie for either besides im right ,if that's attacking a argument wrong then whats right lol
I agree with this part but that is not enough for Uchiha die hards therefore this is the only real way to proof it through wording loopholes and proof
It doesn't matter what it takes to convince them since the manga is always correct.We have seen Itachi lie and he played a villain when he faced off against Kakashi and co, even though he was ready to kill them.
B said a perfect jincuuriki can escape any genjutsu, which completely contradicts Itachi’s statement-only one of them is a known liar, you do the math.
@ Blaze release ^^ I said that its more likely kishi knew about a random rinnegan technique being added then not stop making stuff up heres the link
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Beating Konoha something Madara with the kyubbi couldn't do or Tobi with the kyubbi,then pinning down SM Naruto while beating Toad Summons,Defeating the kyubbi in a 1v1 then reviving Konoha back to life.If that is not the best feat so far then i dont know what is
Sasuke using a MS activated Genjutsu technique clutching his head a trademark of Tsukuyomi is not Tsukuyomi?I guess Danzo was wrong as well comparing their Tsukuyomis as well
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Why didnt danzo just say thats nothing compared to Itachis Genjutsu?You dont have to answer its obvious
If mifune didnt break the genjutsu he should of been controlled up until this point
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but he broke it here
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It even shows Mifune in the anime coming to his senses as soon as they tell him so go figure wheter he broke it.
The whole technique works on the basis of you not knowing so its a fairly unintelligent argument.
Your whole arguement about sasuke not being able to cast Tsukuyomi while not saying it goes out the window when Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke when he killed the clan and called it Magnekeyo sharringan
'My illusionary technique Tsukuyomi cannot be beaten' don't pick bits from that and make it into your own quote my illusiion cannot be beaten
Kakashi has never shown anyway to break genjutsu,i never remember him seeing chakra as a colour unless you can link me,he doesn't have a tailed beast and is not a chakra sensor.
The rest just seems to be you quoting bits of Genjutsu and saying look how strong it is... i never said it wasn't strong just that all genjutsu is breakable
Oh and that annoying i think im superior to everyone else tone is back which i just want to tell you for the 3rd time your not so stop it.
Genjutsu (??; Literally meaning "Illusionary Techniques") are techniques that are employed in the same fashion as ninjutsu, requiring chakra and hand seals. However, the primary difference between the two is that the effects of genjutsu are illusory; instead of attacking the victim's body, like taijutsu or ninjutsu, genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.
Genjutsu is created when a ninja extends their chakra flow through the cerebral nervous system of their opponent to control their mind, thereby affecting their five senses.
2. How can a genjutsu be broken?
To combat the effects of genjutsu, there are several options:
a.The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; this is called Genjutsu Dissipation (???, Genjutsu Kai). This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person. In addition, tailed beasts can break their jinchuriki out of genjutsu in a similar fashion if they have a good enough cooperation, as seen in Killer B's case.
b.Another is through intense pain not caused by the genjutsu and utilising the resulting pain to bring their senses back in order (of the first two options, the latter seems more effective in most situations, or at least is the easiest).
c.Another option is accessible only to Sharingan wielders. Members of the Uchiha clan can break or see through genjutsu using their Sharingan. Breaking Tsukuyomi is possible with an ordinary Sharingan, but requires a lot of skill.
d.Sharingan wielders can also use their dojutsu to liberate any ally caught in an enemy genjutsu by casting their own genjutsu on them, literally breaking into the illusionary world they are imprisoned in order to free them. This can be achieved through eye contact alone.[3]
e.Ordinary people can sometimes train their eyes (without Sharingan) to break genjutsu through unknown means, like Deidara.
f.One can prevent a person from casting genjutsu using obstructive techniques like the Hiding in Mist Technique to prevent one from being trapped by an ocular genjutsu as Zabuza demonstrated against Kakashi.
e.In the anime it was shown that strong smells like that from the Chilli Pepper Bombs, can counteract genjutsu.
In spite of these methods, some forms of genjutsu like Itachi's Tsukuyomi and Shima and Fukasaku's Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant may not be broken easily, either due to their near-instant effect like the former, or their ability to render one unconscious and paralysed altogether like the latter. In addition, one must realise that he or she is under the effects of genjutsu before attempting to break out of it. This can be done by observing the changes in one's own chakra like Karin's chakra-sensing ability.
But Because genjutsu affects activity throughout the Prosencephalon structure of the brain, humans, dogs and other species of mammal are therefore all affected by genjutsu; however, the kikaichu, like all insects, lack such a structure to their brains, and so do not even notice it: as Shino Aburame put it, insects are ruled almost solely by five powerful senses alone, which makes them immune to genjutsu and gives the Aburame clan an ability to detect it when nobody else can.
CONCLUSION: IF ur caught in TSUKOYOMI ur practically dead. But Itachi will need eye contact with the original target first, eye contact with path or clones will not do. Same goes for KA but it much more breakable as it is not instant (But probably none can break it) and has a freakish CD.
It doesn't matter what it takes to convince them since the manga is always correct.We have seen Itachi lie and he played a villain when he faced off against Kakashi and co, even though he was ready to kill them.
B said a perfect jincuuriki can escape any genjutsu, which completely contradicts Itachi’s statement-only one of them is a known liar, you do the math.
Logging off soon, but we will take it in another/future thread. I'm guessing you will bring up Tobi...
Nope, Tobi is proof bee's statement is false since he had a perfect Jink under a genjutsu.. But i can entirely prove that Bee cannot beat Itachi's genjutsu without him
Itachi's tsukuyomi lasts for a second, even if it was easily breakable (which it isn't as Itachi stated) you will not react quickly enough to break it anyway before it has its effect. Danzo even stated Sasuke's genjutsu was inferior as he cannot alter the victim's sense of time, whereas Itachi can making his Tsukuyomi superior and pretty much impossible to break
