Kaguya Kimimaro vs. Uchiha Itachi (Age 12/13)

[VisionOfDisorder]

Location: The Forest of Dead Trees (Sure why not.)
Distance: (20m)

Kimimaro: Healthy. As he appears vs. Gaara. Kaguya KKG and Curse seal Cs1and Cs2 state.

Itachi: Healthy. Perfect shuriken technique. Advanced level Katon Jutsu. Mastered 3-Tomoe Sharingan. (Age 12 = Only 3 Tomoe, Age 13 = MS with Tsukuyomi only.)

NOTE: I believe Itachi unlocked MS at age 13 and not 12, If that's wrong please correct me and disregard the age variable.

 

[Icelerate]

Why did you give Itachi Tsukiyomi, take it away and you got an epic battle.

 

[TheItachiUchiha]

Itachi's left pinky toe ..

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Why did you give Itachi Tsukiyomi, take it away and you got an epic battle.

Well thats why I gave you the option of age 12 or 13, because without it there would be crazy taijutsu combat happening but some people may not think that Tsukiyomi would make it unquestionable, so you can take your pick but i agree with your closing statement.

 

[Joki]

Itachi wins mid-high difficulty, keep in mind 12-13 is like the age of most of the genin at the time who could have beaten Kimi, and IIRC he was ANBU captain? Itachi wins, and Kimi I supposed has few ways to counter genjutsu but by that time it would be too late.

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Itachi wins mid-high difficulty, keep in mind 12-13 is like the age of most of the genin at the time who could have beaten Kimi, and IIRC he was ANBU captain? Itachi wins, and Kimi I supposed has few ways to counter genjutsu but by that time it would be too late.

Wait maybe I misunderstood but did you say most of the 12-13 year old gennin could have beaten Kimi? He toyed with Naruto and Lee before fighting Gaara and still coming out on top before dying of sickness. He was meant to be clearly above any of the current generation of genin in part 1 and remember he helped orochimaru in killing the 4th Kazekage so he is also strong enough to make difference in a kage-level battle. I strongly believe that Itachi is too but I agree that Kimi wouldnt have much counter to genjutsu from the MS so it's probably best he doesnt have it. Both of them are far beyond any level that kids their age should be at.

 

[Joki]

Wait maybe I misunderstood but did you say most of the 12-13 year old gennin could have beaten Kimi? He toyed with Naruto and Lee before fighting Gaara and still coming out on top before dying of sickness. He was meant to be clearly above any of the current generation of genin in part 1 and remember he helped orochimaru in killing the 4th Kazekage so he is also strong enough to make difference in a kage-level battle. I strongly believe that Itachi is too but I agree that Kimi wouldnt have much counter to genjutsu from the MS so it's probably best he doesnt have it. Both of them are far beyond any level that kids their age should be at.

I didn't mean most of the genin could have beaten Kimi, but Itachi was the age of the genin. You don't think Naruto and Lee couldn't have beaten Kimi?

Firstly Lee had just recovered from his crushed bones and wasn't even supposed to be out of bed let alone training let alone fighting. He couldn't push himself at all, and the second Sasuke came out of the pail Naruto went after him and never fought Kimi seriously either.

It's obvious from VotE fight that Naruto or Sasuke would stomp him, and Lee at full health would also have stomped him. Kimi's pretty overrated. But my point is, Itachi was also that same age when some people existed who could kill him that age, and Itachi was captain of ANBU and prodigious to boot.

We also saw how the kazekage fared recently, and I gotta say, not that impressive. And we saw how Kimimaro fared vs Gaara, so that's self-explanatory right there.

 

[Prime Rib]

itachi easy

 

[Cerox0]

I didn't mean most of the genin could have beaten Kimi, but Itachi was the age of the genin. You don't think Naruto and Lee couldn't have beaten Kimi?

Firstly Lee had just recovered from his crushed bones and wasn't even supposed to be out of bed let alone training let alone fighting. He couldn't push himself at all, and the second Sasuke came out of the pail Naruto went after him and never fought Kimi seriously either.

It's obvious from VotE fight that Naruto or Sasuke would stomp him, and Lee at full health would also have stomped him. Kimi's pretty overrated. But my point is, Itachi was also that same age when some people existed who could kill him that age, and Itachi was captain of ANBU and prodigious to boot.

We also saw how the kazekage fared recently, and I gotta say, not that impressive. And we saw how Kimimaro fared vs Gaara, so that's self-explanatory right there.

:| Kimmimaro was sick and knew he would die that day. Imagine fighting with cancer, how well will you fair?Secondly Naruto was clearly trying since he used a ton of clones and was trying to get sasuke back after all.

Again Kimmimaro barely used CM2, Kimmimaro CM2 > Sasuke CM2 and Naruto 1 Tailed.

If Gaara buried him 200ft under the earth and kimi only used CM1 how on earth would naruto or sasuke hurt him?

Once he went CM2 he was going to kill Gaara and Lee, but because plot made him sick he died on the spot.

OT Itachi would win, kimi has no counter for Tsukuyomi.

 

[Joki]

:| Kimmimaro was sick and knew he would die that day. Imagine fighting with cancer, how well will you fair?Secondly Naruto was clearly trying since he used a ton of clones and was trying to get sasuke back after all.

I would probably fare way better since I knew I was going to die lol, but I know what you meant.

That was just the first "wave" of clones, the second Sasuke came out of the pail Naruto ignored Kimimaro completely. If he stayed to fight he would have won.

Again Kimmimaro barely used CM2, Kimmimaro CM2 > Sasuke CM2 and Naruto 1 Tailed.

No, Kimimaro gets crapped on by CS2 Sasuke and KN1. Base Weighted Lee was keeping up with Kimimaro in taijutsu(in fact, when he entered the first gate he completely outsped Kimi, he just couldn't maintain it for obvious reasons) and Sasuke was as fast as weightless Lee during Konoha Invasion arc. During SRA arc Sasuke unlocked the 3rd tomoe who easily reacted to KN0 who outsped Neji and the Sasuke who outsped Lee and Gaara both.

It's pretty common sense when you just compare, their speed and power is on another level. Kimimaro won't be able to touch Sasuke in CQC, Naruto was keeping up with him and has the chakra cloak...and yeah.

Kimimaro can't do anything to hurt Naruto either, Sasuke chidorid his lung and it went all the way through his body and he regenerated instantly. That wasn't even KN1. Plus CS2 Chidori also destroys him, and like I said Sasuke and Naruto both completely outspeed Kimi.

If Gaara buried him 200ft under the earth and kimi only used CM1 how on earth would naruto or sasuke hurt him?

He actually used CS2 to tank that, and pressure is different from piercing attacks, which last I recall Sasuke's punch cracked his hand and made it bleed when he punched Gaara's sand. The second he used a base chidori it pierced right through it, and CS2 Chidori is way out of its league as is Rasengan.

Once he went CM2 he was going to kill Gaara and Lee, but because plot made him sick he died on the spot.

OT Itachi would win, kimi has no counter for Tsukuyomi.

Lee wouldn't have even needed Gaara if he hadn't been recovering from major borderline permanently disabled crushed bones. And yeah Kimimaro's a pretty bad matchup for Gaara since he can't hurt him, and yeah I agree with your OT.

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

I would probably fare way better since I knew I was going to die lol, but I know what you meant.

That was just the first "wave" of clones, the second Sasuke came out of the pail Naruto ignored Kimimaro completely. If he stayed to fight he would have won.

No, Kimimaro gets crapped on by CS2 Sasuke and KN1. Base Weighted Lee was keeping up with Kimimaro in taijutsu(in fact, when he entered the first gate he completely outsped Kimi, he just couldn't maintain it for obvious reasons) and Sasuke was as fast as weightless Lee during Konoha Invasion arc. During SRA arc Sasuke unlocked the 3rd tomoe who easily reacted to KN0 who outsped Neji and the Sasuke who outsped Lee and Gaara both.

It's pretty common sense when you just compare, their speed and power is on another level. Kimimaro won't be able to touch Sasuke in CQC, Naruto was keeping up with him and has the chakra cloak...and yeah.

Kimimaro can't do anything to hurt Naruto either, Sasuke chidorid his lung and it went all the way through his body and he regenerated instantly. That wasn't even KN1. Plus CS2 Chidori also destroys him, and like I said Sasuke and Naruto both completely outspeed Kimi.

He actually used CS2 to tank that, and pressure is different from piercing attacks, which last I recall Sasuke's punch cracked his hand and made it bleed when he punched Gaara's sand. The second he used a base chidori it pierced right through it, and CS2 Chidori is way out of its league as is Rasengan.



Lee wouldn't have even needed Gaara if he hadn't been recovering from major borderline permanently disabled crushed bones. And yeah Kimimaro's a pretty bad matchup for Gaara since he can't hurt him, and yeah I agree with your OT.

Hmm you have an interesting view on Kimimaro, I won't call it wrong or anything because you certainly have your reasons for all of it. But you think that Naruto or Sasuke > Kimimaro ? I mean Naruto ignored Kimi ONLY because of Sasuke's presance, they dont call it the Sasuke Retrieval Arc for nothing lol. As for Naruto's actual performance against him, Naruto only used clones to attack him but Kimi also used only his basic combat, with no Curse Seal or advanced bone techs. Lee was still injured but it didnt seem to hinder him much when he was drunk as alcohol tends to dull the pain of past and present injury LOL, anyway I admit that he never fought all out against anyone but Gaara, and gaara's crushing attacks didnt work well against Kimi's bone armor, but the scale that they were able to fight on leads me to believe that they both have higher destrictive capabilities than the other fight at the time Naruto vs Sasuke.

HOwever, this is Healthy Kimimaro, with no restrictions, so his ability is even more or an estimate.

Also remember Itachi didnt have a piercing/assassination technique like Chidori, so for any comparison of Sasuke/Kimimaro that involves chidori, remember that Itachi and his brother are different and fght differently

 

[Joki]

Hmm you have an interesting view on Kimimaro, I won't call it wrong or anything because you certainly have your reasons for all of it. But you think that Naruto or Sasuke > Kimimaro ? I mean Naruto ignored Kimi ONLY because of Sasuke's presance, they dont call it the Sasuke Retrieval Arc for nothing lol. As for Naruto's actual performance against him, Naruto only used clones to attack him but Kimi also used only his basic combat, with no Curse Seal or advanced bone techs. Lee was still injured but it didnt seem to hinder him much when he was drunk as alcohol tends to dull the pain of past and present injury LOL, anyway I admit that he never fought all out against anyone but Gaara, and gaara's crushing attacks didnt work well against Kimi's bone armor, but the scale that they were able to fight on leads me to believe that they both have higher destrictive capabilities than the other fight at the time Naruto vs Sasuke.

HOwever, this is Healthy Kimimaro, with no restrictions, so his ability is even more or an estimate.

Also remember Itachi didnt have a piercing/assassination technique like Chidori, so for any comparison of Sasuke/Kimimaro that involves chidori, remember that Itachi and his brother are different and fght differently

Yeah I get what you're saying and at least you partly agree with me lol.

And I agreed with pretty much everything sinc you also agreed with me rofl, but I bolded the parts I wanted to respond to.

First was the Lee thing, which although true isn't really that relevant. Drunk Lee got hits in because he was unpredictable and drunk and all although the point is Lee literally couldn't enter gates whatsoever or push himself to actually try hard. When he did enter gates and only the FIRST for a short amount of time...

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If anything that was "his" form of Plot no Jutsu, if people think that Kimimaro's sickness was the reason he "lost" they should check back to Lee just recovering from surgery. Kishi basically flat out admits there if Lee could go all out(cough, creating earthquakes from just moving) then he would have stomped. Although if that happened Gaara would have been put out of a job rofl.

Next was the Gaara thing. Like I said crushing is different from attacks like Chidori. Sasuke punched Gaara's sand and all it did was crack his fist and it bled. Chidori tore right through it. Kimi can harden his bones to tank attacks, especially pressure based so he was the perfect opponent, he's not taking a Chidori that much is pretty obvious to me IMO.

Plus, if worse comes to worse Naruto could easily outlast him since I can sure tell you if someone regenerates from being impaled through the right lung Kimimaro isn't really doing much. So Naruto just keeps on him until 1 of them dies from exhaustion, although it's not like it would come to that but Naruto obviously wins that endurance match.

And as for Healthy Kimimaro, I personally don't think he's any stronger when healthy, the only problem is he's dying from it, it doesn't make him weaker and nothing really suggests that. But it's nowhere near significant enough to place him above Naruto, Sasuke or Lee. And arguably Neji being the other 1 genin to beat Kimi at that time since he's kind of a bad matchup. I'm not sure if I'm forgetting someone specifically lol.

And lastly, yeah I know Itachi doesn't have the same techs and all that but I was pretty much debating Naruto, Sasuke, Lee vs Kimimaro in general. Itachi does have genjutsu though and whatnot.

 

[Champ]

Ms Itachi wins

 

[therealpervysage]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA what a silly question of course itachi wins

 

[soulreaper11]

itachi still with mid diffcult

 

[VisionOfDisorder]

Yeah I get what you're saying and at least you partly agree with me lol.

And I agreed with pretty much everything sinc you also agreed with me rofl, but I bolded the parts I wanted to respond to.

First was the Lee thing, which although true isn't really that relevant. Drunk Lee got hits in because he was unpredictable and drunk and all although the point is Lee literally couldn't enter gates whatsoever or push himself to actually try hard. When he did enter gates and only the FIRST for a short amount of time...

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If anything that was "his" form of Plot no Jutsu, if people think that Kimimaro's sickness was the reason he "lost" they should check back to Lee just recovering from surgery. Kishi basically flat out admits there if Lee could go all out(cough, creating earthquakes from just moving) then he would have stomped. Although if that happened Gaara would have been put out of a job rofl.

Next was the Gaara thing. Like I said crushing is different from attacks like Chidori. Sasuke punched Gaara's sand and all it did was crack his fist and it bled. Chidori tore right through it. Kimi can harden his bones to tank attacks, especially pressure based so he was the perfect opponent, he's not taking a Chidori that much is pretty obvious to me IMO.

Plus, if worse comes to worse Naruto could easily outlast him since I can sure tell you if someone regenerates from being impaled through the right lung Kimimaro isn't really doing much. So Naruto just keeps on him until 1 of them dies from exhaustion, although it's not like it would come to that but Naruto obviously wins that endurance match.

And as for Healthy Kimimaro, I personally don't think he's any stronger when healthy, the only problem is he's dying from it, it doesn't make him weaker and nothing really suggests that. But it's nowhere near significant enough to place him above Naruto, Sasuke or Lee. And arguably Neji being the other 1 genin to beat Kimi at that time since he's kind of a bad matchup. I'm not sure if I'm forgetting someone specifically lol.

And lastly, yeah I know Itachi doesn't have the same techs and all that but I was pretty much debating Naruto, Sasuke, Lee vs Kimimaro in general. Itachi does have genjutsu though and whatnot.

Again I'm in agreement with a lot of your points, just not the conclusion of Naruto, Sasuke or Lee being > Kimi. but I REALLY need to go to bed so ill be brief ayway lol. I DO believe that Naruto's stamina would outlast Kimimaro's but Kimi is too skilled in taijutsu and his attacks are too precise to let Naruto get away with outlasting him IMO. Even in Kyuubi aura and one-tailed form, I would picture a fight between these two resembling very closely the fight between six-tailed naruto and Deva path, Kimi would be fast and durable enough to put up with the style of attacking that OTK naruto uses, this as he is still keeping a cool head while naruto looses his mind and burns his flesh up. Sasuke's chidori could certainly be a problem for his bone armor but Kimi also has plenty of destructive moves that would put Sasuke away, The Vine/Flower combination was trolled kind of I think because gaara is certainly the only kid with a defense strong enough to not only block it but shatter it from the strain. Naruto/Sasuke/Lee/Even young itachi have no such solid a defense, so in terms of kill moves there are plenty from both sides. In regards to Rock Lee, the 5th gate and beyond would dominate him, as would it to most any non-adult character of part 1, but even so, if Kimi's bone armor is anywhere near as effective as Gaara's armor of sand, it could still greatly soften the impact. SHIT son why am i still typing this is not what i planned to do.

Btw, I voted for Itachi here and of course i still believe that, but Kimimaro was one of Orochimaru's first choices as a body for a reason. IMO, the future potential of Sasuke's sharingan and Oro's overall obsession with the sharingan in general is the only reason that he passed up the opportunity in the first place. but Ill hit this thread back up in the morning, peaceeee

 

[Joki]

Again I'm in agreement with a lot of your points, just not the conclusion of Naruto, Sasuke or Lee being > Kimi. but I REALLY need to go to bed so ill be brief ayway lol.

Lol yeah, this is probably one of my favorite debats I've had on here especially since it's not an immature spam/flame fest or some crap like that.

I DO believe that Naruto's stamina would outlast Kimimaro's but Kimi is too skilled in taijutsu and his attacks are too precise to let Naruto get away with outlasting him IMO. Even in Kyuubi aura and one-tailed form, I would picture a fight between these two resembling very closely the fight between six-tailed naruto and Deva path, Kimi would be fast and durable enough to put up with the style of attacking that OTK naruto uses, this as he is still keeping a cool head while naruto looses his mind and burns his flesh up.

Yeah, well like I said, here's the speed comparison 'chart':

First we have weighted Lee who was keeping up perfectly with Kimimaro(although maybe it was weightless Lee, it was never said he had his weights at the time since he had just done surgery but he probably did. It doesn't make too much difference), check. Then we have Chunin Exam Sasuke who was "as fast as weightless Lee" and outsped Gaara as well which Lee also did. Then we have KN0 Naruto, who outsped Neji with ease and ALSO pushed Sasuke on the defensive and completely crapped on his speed. Then we have Sasuke who at VotE unlocked 3rd Tomoe. He was easily reacting to KN0 and stomping on him in every way whatsoever, he had to go KN1 to survive and then his chakra cloak protected him from everything and was 'unpredictable'.

And teh second Lee went gates Kimimaro was pretty much entirely lost in there and he can only enter the 1st gate there.

So with that said Naruto will easily be able to beat Kimimaro in taijutsu, he's faster and keep in mind he was chidorid through his lung. It went all the way through his body, it was regenerated instantly. Not only can Kimimaro not hurt him, but his KN1 chakra protects him from everything and has a 'mind of its own" which not even Sharingan can anticipate let aloen Kimimaro who we found out that specifically was his weakness through Lee. And if you want to say Naruto will summon Gamabunta that's cool too but he never does that lol.

Sasuke's chidori could certainly be a problem for his bone armor but Kimi also has plenty of destructive moves that would put Sasuke away, The Vine/Flower combination was trolled kind of I think because gaara is certainly the only kid with a defense strong enough to not only block it but shatter it from the strain.

Yeah, but the point is 3 tomoe Sasuke was easily the fastest part 1 character in terms of genin and those characters bar Gated Lee. He could react to KN1/0 who in turn outsped Neji and the Sasuke who crapped on Weightless Lee, who was faster than Kimimaro when weighted like I said above. Sasuke's 3rd tomoe reads every attack Kimimaro has, he can just dodge his strike and hit him with Chidori.

Naruto/Sasuke/Lee/Even young itachi have no such solid a defense, so in terms of kill moves there are plenty from both sides.

Right, well their counter to that is speed and their abilities to basically "impossible for them to be hurt by Kimimaro, and much faster" and whatnot lol.

In regards to Rock Lee, the 5th gate and beyond would dominate him, as would it to most any non-adult character of part 1, but even so, if Kimi's bone armor is anywhere near as effective as Gaara's armor of sand, it could still greatly soften the impact.

Yeah exactly, even weighted 1st gate Lee crapped on Kimimaro's speed the second he decided to do it. He wasn't allowed to push himself so he was very heavily restricted, like I said Kishi pretty much admitted right there if he didn't restrict Lee he'd have stomped. He can soften the impact all he wants but it won't stop Lee's gate hits from crushing him.

SHIT son why am i still typing this is not what i planned to do.

Lol well at least it's fun so it's cool

Btw, I voted for Itachi here and of course i still believe that, but Kimimaro was one of Orochimaru's first choices as a body for a reason. IMO, the future potential of Sasuke's sharingan and Oro's overall obsession with the sharingan in general is the only reason that he passed up the opportunity in the first place. but Ill hit this thread back up in the morning, peaceeee

Yeah I know what you mean, plus the time Orochimaru knew Sasuke he never had 3rd tomoe so IDK what point you were makign here lol.

To summarize, Naruto, Sasuke and Lee all literally have the direct on panel proof that compares their speed with Kimi. I'll get scans if you really want them. So Naruto, Sasuke and Lee are all umch faster, can't be touched by Kimimaro, or can't be hurt. While they can wail on him until he dies, or outlasts him. He doesn't have the "best" durability for attacks like Rasengan or Chidori and Lee's attacks are on too high of level. Plus Kimimaro's bones are not automatic like Gaara's sand. Fun debate though sir