Technically Kakashi can beat almost everyone

[purewesome]

yeah thats why he gotten beaten his ass by itachi ,, diedara,, or pain he was like pathetic

 

[Arcaneos510X]

Thing that people need to note is that everything is determined by kishi, its all plot.
If kakashi was to start with kamui outside the scope of plot he would be very dangerous

dont try and bring plot no jutsu into this we are going on what infomation we have at the moment and yes your statement is true but useless in the convostation.

 

[Some Guy]

Technically yes you are correct. What is realisticly going to happen in the manga, not so much. But you can make that same argument for everyone.

Sasuke can beat everyone if he hits them with Kirin/Amat.

Naruto can beat everyone if he hits them with raseshurkin

Tsunade can beat everyone if she can punch/kick them

Ten Ten could beat everyone if her weapons acutally hit them.

Kamui is still just a technique. He still has to make it land on the person... There have to be ways to avoid it......maybe clones, summoning, s/t justu, kuwarmi(sp?), body flicker...

 

[Bogard]

Technically yes you are correct. What is realisticly going to happen in the manga, not so much. But you can make that same argument for everyone.

Sasuke can beat everyone if he hits them with Kirin/Amat.

Naruto can beat everyone if he hits them with raseshurkin

Tsunade can beat everyone if she can punch/kick them

Ten Ten could beat everyone if her weapons acutally hit them.

Kamui is still just a technique. He still has to make it land on the person... There have to be ways to avoid it......maybe clones, summoning, s/t justu, kuwarmi(sp?), body flicker...

I think you don't understand my point. I'm talking about facts in the manga but related in real life. Think of it as if it was in the real life. This is what i'm explaining(it's only theoritically):

- If we are facing each other, you can't avoid the fact i see you
- Kamui can be use only if you see your opponent. That means that if i continue to see you, it's impossible to dodge it, and since it's impossible to avoid being seen, it's impossible to dodge it simple
- Now, there are ninjas like Raikage who can run fast enough to surpass even the sharingan vision, and avoid being seen. Those ninjas could actually escape from Kamui without too much problems if they are fast enough to escape from Kamuis vision.
- Those who can teleport themselves, it's obvious they can avoid it also
- The problem with Rasenshuriken is that it's not an instant technique. It doesn't depend on the vision. It's an attack you launch like you can throw a ball for example with your hands, so it's avoidable(even if it won't be that easy depending if you're fast enough)
- The problem of Amaterasu is that Kishimoto gave to Amaterasu a limit of range(0-5M), but for Kamui he said it could be use at "All range" So if you're far enough, Amaterasu can't get you, when kamui cuz it's all range technique it can get you if he sees you(it's the only condition needed).

But like i've said at the end, "it's only theoritically". I'm not saying it's actually the case. I'm only there to show that kishimoto gave some techniques but there are some failures in his manga because of that.

It's not the only thread i've created about that. I've also created some threads about Uchihas, or Nara where i've said that theoritically, they can't be beaten in certain circumstances.

 

[Sageofslxpaths]

Technically yes you are correct. What is realisticly going to happen in the manga, not so much. But you can make that same argument for everyone.

Sasuke can beat everyone if he hits them with Kirin/Amat.

Naruto can beat everyone if he hits them with raseshurkin

Tsunade can beat everyone if she can punch/kick them

Ten Ten could beat everyone if her weapons acutally hit them.

Kamui is still just a technique. He still has to make it land on the person... There have to be ways to avoid it......maybe clones, summoning, s/t justu, kuwarmi(sp?), body flicker...

^this summs up nicely.

You can say it for anything. It all depends on the circumstances and yes kakashi is strong and kamui is a good technique but you can use many things besides speed to beat it.

Another note the pin and missile are not good examples to base kamui on as they were used as projectiles and are inanimate objects and can't resist the technique.

 

[Sageofslxpaths]

I think you don't understand my point. I'm talking about facts in the manga but related in real life. Think of it as if it was in the real life. This is what i'm explaining(it's only theoritically):

- If we are facing each other, you can't avoid the fact i see you
- Kamui can be use only if you see your opponent. That means that if i continue to see you, it's impossible to dodge it, and since it's impossible to avoid being seen, it's impossible to dodge it simple
- Now, there are ninjas like Raikage who can run fast enough to surpass even the sharingan vision, and avoid being seen. Those ninjas could actually escape from Kamui without too much problems if they are fast enough to escape from Kamuis vision.
- Those who can teleport themselves, it's obvious they can avoid it also
- The problem with Rasenshuriken is that it's not an instant technique. It doesn't depend on the vision. It's an attack you launch like you can throw a ball for example with your hands, so it's avoidable(even if it won't be that easy depending if you're fast enough)
- The problem of Amaterasu is that Kishimoto gave to Amaterasu a limit of range(0-5M), but for Kamui he said it could be use at "All range" So if you're far enough, Amaterasu can't get you, when kamui cuz it's all range technique it can get you if he sees you(it's the only condition needed).

But like i've said at the end, "it's only theoritically". I'm not saying it's actually the case. I'm only there to show that kishimoto gave some techniques but there are some failures in his manga because of that.

It's not the only thread i've created about that. I've also created some threads about Uchihas, or Nara where i've said that theoritically, they can't be beaten in certain circumstances.

Look ultimately this is silly because your taking facts from the manga and placing them out of context, in that sense I can take any technique from the manga such as sexy jutsu and claim it can work on itachi, pain, tobi etc...

If you create your own circumstances then yes the awnser is simple you are right. If the enemy is standing face to face to kakashi, is relatively weak and slow, doesn't have prior knowledge and is attacking him directly (not using a clone) then yes kakshi can win.

In saying that you can compare this thread to the other guy who claimed might guy could beat pain because of pain not having a counter to his taijutsu and deva path having a limit of 5seconds. Not gonna happen to many different factors come in to play. In theory taking it out of the context of the manga yes guy can win, but NO just NO!

 

[ucHiHa xyN]

maybe the intensity depends on time. he absorbed the nail in an instant/ but it took too long while he used it on deidara.

 

[DeViliShChild]

You are still arguing this yet ignore posts? lol

 

[-Logic-]

Wow, are you even serious? Why do you so foolishly make the assumption that Kakashi can beat anyone? That's ridiculous! You pretend as if an enemy will allow Kakashi to use it. Also, you're a disgusting fanboy, I've lost my respect for you, Bogard. Your threads used to be well articulated, but now they're full of nonsensical rubbish and utter drivel.

 

[Yellow Spark]

Its possible to avoid as deidara did. But kakashi can use kamoi for only small objects. Not for ninjas.

 

[Some Guy]

Oh I understand what you are saying. But you are also saying the fights are taking place in a big open area with nothing blocking Kakashis vision. Everyone can win under the right circumstances.

And like the title of your post says, Technically Kakashi can beat almost everyone. But technically everyone else can win too given the right circumstances.

Also you have no proof kawirmi can not be used to avoid kamui, as I have no proof it can. But it seems like a logical solution to avoid it because the switch is almost instant.

Anyway, Kakashi is one of my favorite characters in the series, but I get tired of hearing everyone say Kamui is an unstoppable/unavoidable 1 hit kill that noone but tobi can avoid. If so why didnt he take deva path out before he threw the nail? If its instant why didnt he just use it on Sauske instead of jumping down to save Sakara.(i know both of these examples would majorly disrupt the plot but the point is still there) Until we see multiple people be killed by this tech you cant say its all powerfull and unstoppable. If it happens and is stated that it cant be avoided then I will be the first to admit im wrong.

 

[Bogard]

Wow, are you even serious? Why do you so foolishly make the assumption that Kakashi can beat anyone? That's ridiculous! You pretend as if an enemy will allow Kakashi to use it. Also, you're a disgusting fanboy, I've lost my respect for you, Bogard. Your threads used to be well articulated, but now they're full of nonsensical rubbish and utter drivel.

Read my post entirely please. I've already explain thousand times that it's not the fact. I'm only showing weaknesses in Kishimotos manga. Like i've said it's not the only thread i've created about something like that. I've also created another thread which states why theoritically Uchihas can't be beaten, Naras also

 

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[yellowxflash]

no jutsu is avoidable on narutobase

 

[Bogard]

yeah i would say so since he can absorb things as big as deidaras explosion he can suck up people hiding behind defences. but prepare to get called a fanboy xD

I'm already aware of that, but i don't care cuz some of them don't even understand the reason of this thread

 

[Redd]

Lol Sasuke fanboys.

Lol Naruto fanboys.

 

[hatake89]

Yea I'm pretty sure that's the case but having kakashi use kamui in every fight would just cause him to deteriorate his own eyesight cause the overuse of the mangekyo.... yea he can defeat many opponents very easily but at the cost of the only sharingan you have I doubt kishi would have that happen.. as it is that's what he's known for like what's kakashi without it? Still a suberb ninja but way lower arsenal of teqniques

 

[hatake89]

Oh I understand what you are saying. But you are also saying the fights are taking place in a big open area with nothing blocking Kakashis vision. Everyone can win under the right circumstances.

And like the title of your post says, Technically Kakashi can beat almost everyone. But technically everyone else can win too given the right circumstances.

Also you have no proof kawirmi can not be used to avoid kamui, as I have no proof it can. But it seems like a logical solution to avoid it because the switch is almost instant.

Anyway, Kakashi is one of my favorite characters in the series, but I get tired of hearing everyone say Kamui is an unstoppable/unavoidable 1 hit kill that noone but tobi can avoid. If so why didnt he take deva path out before he threw the nail? If its instant why didnt he just use it on Sauske instead of jumping down to save Sakara.(i know both of these examples would majorly disrupt the plot but the point is still there) Until we see multiple people be killed by this tech you cant say its all powerfull and unstoppable. If it happens and is stated that it cant be avoided then I will be the first to admit im wrong.

Thank you! Finaaly someone gets my point I'm a abig kakashi fan but threads and ideas like this that can't be proven make all fans look bad cause then people think were all like this... man sometimes you just gottaadmit your wrong or say that you don't know

 

[Tazzilla88]

Yes.
Kakashi's Kamui can defeat mostly everyone
A blow from Tsunade could defeat mostly everyone
A meteor from Madara could defeat mostly everyone
A Jinton from Oonoki could defeat mostly everyone.
A TBB could defeat mostly everyone
A Chibaku Tensei could defeat mostly everyone
Chou Odama Rasengan could defeat mostly everyone
FRS could defeat mostly everyone
Hell Stab could defeat mostly everyone
Laiger Bomb could defeat most everyone
Hirudora could defeat mostly everyone
Sand Coffin could defeat mostly everyone
Susanoo arrow could defeat mostly everyone
Kirin could defeat mostly everyone
Amaterasu could defeat mostly everyone
Kage Mane could deafeat mostly everyone
My point being most techniques have killing potential. Some one could be blitzed stabbed through the head with Shikamaru's shadow stitching. But that is unlikely based on the way characters particularly Shikamaru fights. Anyone could kill anyone in the right situation.

 

[Bboyinsayn]

Kakashi is a beast.