On that note how many time's should Sasuke be dead now? 3 live's against Bee, and Bee STILL got away...
When You are Comparing Naruto to Sasuke For God's Sake Dont Use Kurama as Excuse
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On that note how many time's should Sasuke be dead now? 3 live's against Bee, and Bee STILL got away...
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SASUKE KILLED NOONE!...itachi was a dead man walking ...sasuke should have died ages ago if we talking about that...dont turn this to naruto ..ems is as much of a power up and his mode is.The amount of times sasuke should be dead...its unbelievable
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Same for naruto bro.
So what you are saying is a murdering lunatic is greatness. While a self sacrificing hero was given greatness. Maybe you have forgotten all the pain and suffering Naruto has been through. He did not get through it because he had the kuubi, he got through it because he never gave up and was able to forgive others who had caused him pain. Have you forgotten the price of the 9 tailed fox how it drives him out of control. He tamed the 9 tails because of who he was not because of something he got genetically. And how is his power to change people given to him. Please reread the series. Sasuke is basically throwing a temper tantrum. Naruto wasn't born with greatness and neither was it given to him. He had to earn it by never giving up. He wasn't born to be great he earned it.
Oh and for everyone saying he can only do rasengan and wind style rasen shuriken with shadow clones. I would like to tell you that has nothing to do with Naruto being to weak. He has the power just he lacks control of his chakra because he has the 9 tails inside him. He could do it even without the 9 tails, in fact it would probably be easier. The 9 tails is a bit of a trade off. But I think now that the seal has been removed he will have a better time controlling his chakra. He can do shadow clones without the 9 tails just not a thousand or anything like that.
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Do you mind sighting those, i can't think of any that someone else saved him aside from the Iruka when he was young and Sasuke from when Naruto was still weak, otherwise he's pretty much saved his own butt. Course I won't lie this could be a lack of dislike for Sasuke that i see him being saved and a liking for Naruto that I don't see him being saved. I don't mind being told otherwise though I'm actually curios.
It was clearly said by Kakashi that Naruto's base chakra is four times greater than his own. When Naruto draws from the Kuubi it is thousands of times greater than kakashi's. Jariya also says that Naruto has two large sources of chakra not just one. So saying Naruto is weak without the 9 tails is rediculous. As for the data books, people if you look those data books go up until the Itachi pursuit arc. Naruto has gotten much stronger since then.
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my point was...just as HALF < of kurama was given to naruto...ms and ems were basically given to sasuke without all that help he wouldnt have them ..if he had ms he would be blind. ...and its only half of kurama ...sasuke got ems- susanoo ect
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U forgot to add a lil deatail. Now it is correct. With out itachi's eyes Sasuke really would be blind.
Fate gave both sasuke and Naruto power, Sasuke got his power from his bloodline (Imagine what if Sasuke's mother had an affair xd) and naruto got his Kurama from his jink mother. No point fighting over it. Plus u woldnt compare a normal person with a genetically boosted person and call it fair wld u?
As for fighting sasuke:
1. Amaterasu: Naruto is Faster than A and can easily dodge it.
2. Blaze release: It can only hit Naruto if he uses taijutsu moves. Naruto can use long rangers or a clone.
3. Susano: Can sasuke keep it up for ever? (In danzo fight he spluttering after abot < 10 minutes) No, if he lets it down he's finished due to any form of attack, while Naruto can move around dodgeing if he keeps it up.
4. Genjutsu wont work as Naruto is a perfect jink now.
5. As i said b4:
Also remember base naruto is not that weak and a good match for sasuke:
1. In base stats naruto still has SM
2. Without Kurama ma and pa can fuse with naruto and indefinately extend SM and also provide sauiton, fuuton, katon, genjutsu techs and can also release genjutsu if naruto falls under it. (Dont complain if sasuke's summons are not that cool)
3. Dont count on kirin, it requires stormclouds to perform. Sasuke needs hell lot of heat to form clouds, two or three katons not gona do the trick. Sasuke need a lot of time before he can use that and naruto can just blow the clouds away with wind release. Personally i would like to see a rasensuriken and kirin clash. (In fight with itachi it was more of an plot no jutsu and also had help from the extreme heat from amaterasu)
4. Naruto in sage mode has a great power boost to all jutsu, speed, endurance and a near 33% chakra boost.
5. Those who complain naruto has no base chakra check out these facts: both Gaara and Kushina had their bijuu removed, but kushina was able to hold down kurama (even tough she was exhausted) with her chakra chains and gaara can still use his sand powers effectively (even seems to be improving). In a nut shell, jinkchuriki's have high chakra even without their biju, so naruto do have high chakra as he held down kurama since birth plus he has uzumaki powers of strong chakra and life force.
6. Yes naruto needs clones to do most of his techs but needs only one for rasengan and two for rasensuriken, i think he can handle at least 3-4 clones in base mode. (Also note that when clones disappear they add their chakra to their user)
7. Without sharingan sasuke has only raiton and katon. Plus his reflexes will slower as he no longer can predict opponent's moves and genjutsu skill will be much reduced.
8. Lee once defaeted Sasuke easily (just before chunin exams), so can he do it now? past is past.
Side note:
1. Dont complain why SM is included in base form but sharingan is not, its cos SM can be LEARNT, sasuke can learn SM but naruto can never LEARN SHARINGAN.
2. B4 u call me or anyone who agrees with me a fanboy or just simply say sasuke can beat naruto bcos he is sasuke, can u prove my points wrong? OR in anyway prove why naruto is not at least an equal (if not greater than) of sasuke, even in base mode?
3. Even if sasuke is allwed to have MS, (Not EMS as the eyes are his brothers not his own) sasuke wld be blind or partially blind.
4. For proof of my statements:
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50% true. But to sum everything up physically & chakra content Naruto wins easily but because sasuke is more in skilled in all the main type of jutsu and can counter most of the jutsu thrown his watching.
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U forget, while in SM naruto gets a boost on all his skills. Plus which 50% was false? Please point them out pls.....
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there are so many holes in your post its ridiculous obiviously your the one who doesnt understand one thing about naruto if you think that without the 9 tails naruto would beat any uchiha. what you dont understand is aruto has the nine tails to make it an eve fight and since he had it from birth that helps him alot. understand the difference between being born with power and obtaining it however after birth
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Honestly If a Sage mode Naruto can Beat a Rinnegan Nagato then Why cant a Bijuu Mode 2 Naruto beat the Rinnegan Sasuke ???? and Even if you got any more Doubts then Check this Out
Yes.. but Nagato don't have susano'o, amateratsu.. Nagato have powers of rinnegan.. I don't see other jutsu only summoning jutsu..
Yes.. but Nagato don't have susano'o, amateratsu.. Nagato have powers of rinnegan.. I don't see other jutsu only summoning jutsu..
Yes but Naruto couldn't originally controll the 9 tails. He had to earn that. Sasuke was born with power in other words he got power the easy way. Naruto had to struggle to gain power. Plus it looks like Naruto will eventually lose the 9 tails and have to fight Sasuke without it. So it isn't fair to say he needs the 9 tails to make it even. Actually it isn't even with the 9 tails Naruto is more powerful then Sasuke at the moment. But the series isn't over yet.
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Totally BULLSHIT :flaw:
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You guys are lame
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Also remember base naruto is not that weak and a good match for sasuke:
1. In base stats naruto still has SM
2. Without Kurama ma and pa can fuse with naruto and indefinately extend SM and also provide sauiton, fuuton, katon, genjutsu techs and can also release genjutsu if naruto falls under it. (Dont complain if sasuke's summons are not that cool)
3. Dont count on kirin, it requires stormclouds to perform. Sasuke needs hell lot of heat to form clouds, two or three katons not gona do the trick. Sasuke need a lot of time before he can use that and naruto can just blow the clouds away with wind release. Personally i would like to see a rasensuriken and kirin clash. (In fight with itachi it was more of an plot no jutsu and also had help from the extreme heat from amaterasu)
4. Naruto in sage mode has a great power boost to all jutsu, speed, endurance and a near 33% chakra boost.
5. Those who complain naruto has no base chakra check out these facts: both Gaara and Kushina had their bijuu removed, but kushina was able to hold down kurama (even tough she was exhausted) with her chakra chains and gaara can still use his sand powers effectively (even seems to be improving). In a nut shell, jinkchuriki's have high chakra even without their biju (Gaara was born jink too), so naruto do have high chakra as he held down kurama since birth plus he has uzumaki powers of strong chakra and life force.
6. Yes naruto needs clones to do most of his techs but needs only one for rasengan and two for rasensuriken, i think he can handle at least 3-4 clones in base mode. (Also note that when clones disappear they add their chakra to their user)
7. Without sharingan sasuke has only raiton and katon. Plus his reflexes will slower as he no longer can predict opponent's moves and genjutsu skill will be much reduced.
8. Lee once defaeted Sasuke easily (just before chunin exams), so can he do it now? past is past.
Side note:
1. Dont complain why SM is included in base form but sharingan is not, its cos SM can be LEARNT, sasuke can learn SM but naruto can never LEARN SHARINGAN.
2. B4 u call me or anyone who agrees with me a fanboy or just simply say sasuke can beat naruto bcos he is sasuke, can u prove my points wrong? OR in anyway prove why naruto is not at least an equal (if not greater than) of sasuke, even in base mode?
3. Even if sasuke is allwed to have MS, (Not EMS as the eyes are his brothers not his own) sasuke wld be blind or partially blind.
4. For proof of my statements:
a. read the manga
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d.
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f. Use ur brain and think logically.
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ur missing the point ok I don't hate naruto, he's a beast imo power is power but, just like muscle is muscle if u get it through creatine or natural means....but if there was no war and everything mellow since both there births, naruto would not have kurama and sasuke would have sharingan
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With base mode they're on par. We were led to believe Sasuke is superior overall in that department. That's what the Yamato-Sai arc showed us. The gap reduced after the immortals arc, making them on par with Sasuke being superior overall due to Kirin. Though the gap isn't huge - not including transformations like the Curse Seal or Kurama's power.
Mangekyou Sharingan and Sage Mode. That's interesting.
Prior Sasuke obtaining a perfect Susanoo, it was clear that Naruto was stronger - Zetsu said it. Upon obtaining a level 4 Susanoo, Naruto and Sasuke were exactly on par with each other.
There's a reason they saw each other die in battle and why they went to seek a higher power in response to said vision.
EMS and BM1. That is a hard one to judge because we have seen BM1 but not EMS Sasuke; we've only seen a perfected MS Sasuke. Though design-wise if you class level 4 as EMS Sasuke, then BM1 Naruto comes across as stronger.
Though I think we really should wait to see what the EMS offers.
I'm sure they'll be on par.
Now when you factor in BM2 Naruto comes across as stronger. However Suigetsu alluded to the possibility that Sasuke will get a new firepower, one that can change the direction of the war. That'll probably have Naruto and Sasuke be on par again.
But with full Bijuu Mode, wouldn't Naruto be doubtlessly superior? Think again. It seemed almost clear that Sasuke's version of a full BM is a perfect Susanoo.
It is probable that they'll be on par, Sasuke using an unstablised perfect Susanoo and Naruto having to cope with the 5 minute limit of BM.
Of course both are likely to overcome those drawbacks; remove the time limit and stablise Susanoo.
It all seems like they'll be on par.
If Sasuke gets Rinnegan, Naruto will simply fuse Sage Mode and Bijuu Mode. Sage Mode seems to be the Rinnegan's natural enemy as it does get rid of the "haha, with Preta Path you have to enter close combat, and I'll stomp there" factor.
You might be wondering "what about Naruto who'll defo get all the Bijuu's chakra?" At the moment it seems like it'll be used as a temporary power to get a final hit on Tobi.
The "sharing some of my chakra with you" from Son seems to suggest it is temporary, sort of like Minato and Kushina loaning some of their chakra to Naruto for a specific purpose.
For you Bleach readers, think of Naruto with all the Bijuu's chakra as a power for a one-off special event like Ichigo using Mugetsu/Final Getsuga for Aizen.
For you One Piece readers, think of it (Naruto using all the Bijuu's chakra) like how Nightmare Luffy (or other crazy things like Afro Luffy) were one-offs for particular battles.
For Naruto centric examples, arguably it will be a special one-off thing like how Naruto seemingly won't use Shima and Fukasaku again as if they were only for the Pain battle. Or how Naruto won't be using Kurama's old forms again.
Now... this will go against what I said: Naruto will be stronger overall. We cannot exclude one thing we've known Naruto will get, "that jutsu".
It is a jutsu so powerful that it makes Naruto and Jiraiya's mood drop when its brought up, it clearly is a very strong jutsu.
So powerful that even Naruto agreed not to use it. When it is completed, Naruto will be stronger.
Though it is possible Naruto already knows how to use the imperfect version. If this is correct, then Naruto's position in power scaling will dramatically change. Especially if he could use it since the start of part 2.
Mangekyou Sharingan and Sage Mode. That's interesting.
Prior Sasuke obtaining a perfect Susanoo, it was clear that Naruto was stronger - Zetsu said it. Upon obtaining a level 4 Susanoo, Naruto and Sasuke were exactly on par with each other.
There's a reason they saw each other die in battle and why they went to seek a higher power in response to said vision.
EMS and BM1. That is a hard one to judge because we have seen BM1 but not EMS Sasuke; we've only seen a perfected MS Sasuke. Though design-wise if you class level 4 as EMS Sasuke, then BM1 Naruto comes across as stronger.
Though I think we really should wait to see what the EMS offers.
I'm sure they'll be on par.
Now when you factor in BM2 Naruto comes across as stronger. However Suigetsu alluded to the possibility that Sasuke will get a new firepower, one that can change the direction of the war. That'll probably have Naruto and Sasuke be on par again.
But with full Bijuu Mode, wouldn't Naruto be doubtlessly superior? Think again. It seemed almost clear that Sasuke's version of a full BM is a perfect Susanoo.
It is probable that they'll be on par, Sasuke using an unstablised perfect Susanoo and Naruto having to cope with the 5 minute limit of BM.
Of course both are likely to overcome those drawbacks; remove the time limit and stablise Susanoo.
It all seems like they'll be on par.
If Sasuke gets Rinnegan, Naruto will simply fuse Sage Mode and Bijuu Mode. Sage Mode seems to be the Rinnegan's natural enemy as it does get rid of the "haha, with Preta Path you have to enter close combat, and I'll stomp there" factor.
You might be wondering "what about Naruto who'll defo get all the Bijuu's chakra?" At the moment it seems like it'll be used as a temporary power to get a final hit on Tobi.
The "sharing some of my chakra with you" from Son seems to suggest it is temporary, sort of like Minato and Kushina loaning some of their chakra to Naruto for a specific purpose.
For you Bleach readers, think of Naruto with all the Bijuu's chakra as a power for a one-off special event like Ichigo using Mugetsu/Final Getsuga for Aizen.
For you One Piece readers, think of it (Naruto using all the Bijuu's chakra) like how Nightmare Luffy (or other crazy things like Afro Luffy) were one-offs for particular battles.
For Naruto centric examples, arguably it will be a special one-off thing like how Naruto seemingly won't use Shima and Fukasaku again as if they were only for the Pain battle. Or how Naruto won't be using Kurama's old forms again.
Now... this will go against what I said: Naruto will be stronger overall. We cannot exclude one thing we've known Naruto will get, "that jutsu".
It is a jutsu so powerful that it makes Naruto and Jiraiya's mood drop when its brought up, it clearly is a very strong jutsu.
So powerful that even Naruto agreed not to use it. When it is completed, Naruto will be stronger.
Though it is possible Naruto already knows how to use the imperfect version. If this is correct, then Naruto's position in power scaling will dramatically change. Especially if he could use it since the start of part 2.
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This is my opinion why I think current PRESENT Base Naruto beats and owns current Sasuke with 3 tomoe sharingan:
OK, seriously, this was way before when naruto didn't learned sage mode and he was stubborn and he didn't think wisely, so yes, sasuke may be superior on base phase when naruto didn't know anything in the past when they meet again for the first time, but the base naruto we are seeing right now on "manga" can demolish sasuke easily and will make sasuke use his EMS powers unfortunatelty.
Just look at this of what naruto is capable of in base mode O_O
Naruto manga 442 page 11:
Look at Pain for example, he thought that if naruto's rasen shuriken miss he will win because naruto's sage mode will be gone and naruto will be useless but guess what, he was wrong!!
Naruto manga 442 page 10:
Look at this!, Imaging if Base Naruto does this to sasuke O_O
Naruto manga 499 page 5
In here naruto uses multi shadow clones to spam multiple rasengans to kurama, but its KURAMA were talking about and its BIG and HUGE so if it was sasuke seeing that he is little, he would have beign demolish by all of those rasengan clones even worse if he enters sage mode O_O he will be forced to use susano right away!
Naruto manga 561 page 14:
Naruto just used a little bit of kuramas chakra but he did his moves in his base mode and look at this!....he destroyed a fu**** forest....wtf! O_O and to top it off, it was a shadow clone who did all of this -_- who made the other stuff by summoning more clones!
Naruto manga 560 page 8:
Naruto could crush sasuke with this! and will make him use susano right away so he will enter EMS state!
Right now comparing Base Naruto vs Base Sasuke is pointless because the way naruto uses multi shadow clone jutsu its what makes Naruto kind off broken if you know what I mean, naruto's clones can do anything what the original can do but with limit power of course. Naruto's current speed and power increased so much in the series that maybe his base speed maybe equal/or greater than sasuke's own speed. If you guys say sharingan can read his movements and blablabla, he can fool him by using shadow clones because its stated in the manga that no one! including Pain who had the rinnegan and Madara also couldn't tell which one was the original naruto. Naruto with shadow clone can pwn sasuke for good if he does not enter into his EMS state. One little detail mostly everyone is forgeting about, its stated aswell in the manga that Naruto's current chakra and power are ridicously high because kakashi told naruto that if it wasn't for the nine tails that he needs very high chakra to surpress it, his own chakra would had beign 10x or maybe more powerful than he is now, because correct me if i'm wrong, the reason naruto can't fully use his own chakra at his maximun its because of the NIne Tails, because seriously the Nine tails is something that is extremely powerful and very hard to control and naruto surpresses it by using his own chakra which it wastes aswell his own chakra. Think about it! Even Kurama stated "what kind of power is this?!" and also Tobi "what is this power?! this feeling is not coming form his strenght, noo noo.....it doesn't matter" Tobi gets worried and nervous. My personal opinion is that Naruto might actually fight sasuke at Sage Mode state against EMS because in Bijuu mode Naruto is totally broken and haxxed for sasuke to handle...:/// let me know what guys think about this cause I'm want to hear your opinions aswell ^^
OK, seriously, this was way before when naruto didn't learned sage mode and he was stubborn and he didn't think wisely, so yes, sasuke may be superior on base phase when naruto didn't know anything in the past when they meet again for the first time, but the base naruto we are seeing right now on "manga" can demolish sasuke easily and will make sasuke use his EMS powers unfortunatelty.
Just look at this of what naruto is capable of in base mode O_O
Naruto manga 442 page 11:
Look at Pain for example, he thought that if naruto's rasen shuriken miss he will win because naruto's sage mode will be gone and naruto will be useless but guess what, he was wrong!!
Naruto manga 442 page 10:
Look at this!, Imaging if Base Naruto does this to sasuke O_O
Naruto manga 499 page 5
In here naruto uses multi shadow clones to spam multiple rasengans to kurama, but its KURAMA were talking about and its BIG and HUGE so if it was sasuke seeing that he is little, he would have beign demolish by all of those rasengan clones even worse if he enters sage mode O_O he will be forced to use susano right away!
Naruto manga 561 page 14:
Naruto just used a little bit of kuramas chakra but he did his moves in his base mode and look at this!....he destroyed a fu**** forest....wtf! O_O and to top it off, it was a shadow clone who did all of this -_- who made the other stuff by summoning more clones!
Naruto manga 560 page 8:
Naruto could crush sasuke with this! and will make him use susano right away so he will enter EMS state!
Right now comparing Base Naruto vs Base Sasuke is pointless because the way naruto uses multi shadow clone jutsu its what makes Naruto kind off broken if you know what I mean, naruto's clones can do anything what the original can do but with limit power of course. Naruto's current speed and power increased so much in the series that maybe his base speed maybe equal/or greater than sasuke's own speed. If you guys say sharingan can read his movements and blablabla, he can fool him by using shadow clones because its stated in the manga that no one! including Pain who had the rinnegan and Madara also couldn't tell which one was the original naruto. Naruto with shadow clone can pwn sasuke for good if he does not enter into his EMS state. One little detail mostly everyone is forgeting about, its stated aswell in the manga that Naruto's current chakra and power are ridicously high because kakashi told naruto that if it wasn't for the nine tails that he needs very high chakra to surpress it, his own chakra would had beign 10x or maybe more powerful than he is now, because correct me if i'm wrong, the reason naruto can't fully use his own chakra at his maximun its because of the NIne Tails, because seriously the Nine tails is something that is extremely powerful and very hard to control and naruto surpresses it by using his own chakra which it wastes aswell his own chakra. Think about it! Even Kurama stated "what kind of power is this?!" and also Tobi "what is this power?! this feeling is not coming form his strenght, noo noo.....it doesn't matter" Tobi gets worried and nervous. My personal opinion is that Naruto might actually fight sasuke at Sage Mode state against EMS because in Bijuu mode Naruto is totally broken and haxxed for sasuke to handle...:/// let me know what guys think about this cause I'm want to hear your opinions aswell ^^
Thank you, people are saying Sasuke is weak without the Sharingan...Well tell me, Sasuke is a master of Taijutsu.He'd destroy base Naruto.Now Sasuke only has ONE power up which is sharingan.Take those two away...And take Sasuke's Sharingan away.And before you call me a fanboy of Sasuke(Which I am) I can admit current Sasuke is ALOT weaker than Current Naruto.