Nagato awakened the rinnegan

[Raito]

Tobi lied only about his identity. Tobi lied when he said he is Madara, but things he told from the perspective of Madara were true. You can awake the Rinnegan if you reach the Sharingans limits. Did Nagato have the Sharingan? No. Claims over claims. Maybe Itachi can fly, who can say this for sure.

 

[Owarij]

Mmm I am looking forward to the hashirama vs Madara

Thats not a good reason to say his rinnegan was transplanted. I mean we saw that Tobi had a lab which contained many many activated sharingans from dead Uchiha, why is it that none of them deactivated.

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he activated them himself by trying them out? he collects eyes and checks which is good etc...

 

[ImNoOne]

I'm not even convinced that you can just 'awaken' the Rinnegan. As Kabuto stated, it is a progession from the EMS. How could he have awakened it without having at least some form of sharingan - more importantly, the EMS? That's like saying someone can just awake the MS without having the 3 tomoe first.

But that's it. When I was thinking about this, I tried and search for any scan stating black in white that in order to achieve MS you needed to have 3 tomoe sharingan unlocked. The truth is you can't find that information anywhere in the Manga. We just assumed that is a requirement because that's what we saw happening to Sasuke. But in truth the single requirement that is pointed out in the Manga is that you need to have Sharingan and suffer a great emotional trauma, witnessing the death of a very close person.

Or it could have been just me missing it I spent a whole day on this and at some point I must say was pretty tired.

Nagato was never seen awakening the eyes , There is a reason why Nagato's normal eyes have never been shown by kishi.. there is a reason why he always had his hair covering them.... Because he always had the rinnegan... It's a transplanted eye, which is why he can't turn it off, which is why even when he died it didn't come off

I don't think we can make that conclusion out right. What you are implying is that as it's not the original owner the eyes didn't went normal when he died. The thing is that we have in the Manga a whole wall of covered with flasks with Sharingans. I count them, over 90. Assuming it's one eye ball per flask, and I suspect it should be two (would make more sense) that's 45 Uchiha's on that panel alone who's eyes were captured and the Uchiah Clan and the Leaf did not recover. Unlikely or it was grave robbing. The other possible scenario would be that Tobi/Madara and Itachi took them when they slaughtered the clan. The thing is, and I'm only speculating taking the eyes of someone alive should something that would make a mess. I would have a hard time believing that in one night not only two man slaughtered an entire clan, they also did it by one by one firstly taking off their eyes one by one. Even for those two it kinda is farfetched. So I think we can safely assume that the majority of those eyes came from dead shinobi. Dead Uchiha clansman shinobi. And they haven't turned normal.

Hence why you can't be 100% positive that it is a transferred eye.
Despite the fact that I believe that it was intact a transferred eye. I don't think that what you said proves the theory that it is not. :/

 

[ImNoOne]

he activated them himself by trying them out? he collects eyes and checks which is good etc...

Where are you basing that argument?

 

[Ryuu..]

But that's it. When I was thinking about this, I tried and search for any scan stating black in white that in order to achieve MS you needed to have 3 tomoe sharingan unlocked. The truth is you can't find that information anywhere in the Manga. We just assumed that is a requirement because that's what we saw happening to Sasuke. But in truth the single requirement that is pointed out in the Manga is that you need to have Sharingan and suffer a great emotional trauma, witnessing the death of a very close person.

Or it could have been just me missing it I spent a whole day on this and at some point I must say was pretty tired.



I don't think we can make that conclusion out right. What you are implying is that as it's not the original owner the eyes didn't went normal when he died. The thing is that we have in the Manga a whole wall of covered with flasks with Sharingans. I count them, over 90. Assuming it's one eye ball per flask, and I suspect it should be two (would make more sense) that's 45 Uchiha's on that panel alone who's eyes were captured and the Uchiah Clan and the Leaf did not recover. Unlikely or it was grave robbing. The other possible scenario would be that Tobi/Madara and Itachi took them when they slaughtered the clan. The thing is, and I'm only speculating taking the eyes of someone alive should something that would make a mess. I would have a hard time believing that in one night not only two man slaughtered an entire clan, they also did it by one by one firstly taking off their eyes one by one. Even for those two it kinda is farfetched. So I think we can safely assume that the majority of those eyes came from dead shinobi. Dead Uchiha clansman shinobi. And they haven't turned normal.

Hence why you can't be 100% positive that it is a transferred eye.
Despite the fact that I believe that it was intact a transferred eye. I don't think that what you said proves the theory that it is not. :/

So, you believe MS is achievable without activating 3 tomoe first? lol.

 

[Tosen]

Tobi lied only about his identity. Tobi lied when he said he is Madara, but things he told from the perspective of Madara were true. You can awake the Rinnegan if you reach the Sharingans limits. Did Nagato have the Sharingan? No. Claims over claims. Maybe Itachi can fly, who can say this for sure.

Tobi is a big time liar even though his one of my fav characters and you shouldn't take the stuff he says has absolute truth.

he activated them himself by trying them out? he collects eyes and checks which is good etc...

He isn't the owner of them eye and in based on your view he can revert and turn on the sharingan sense it will always be activated.

So, you believe MS is achievable without activating 3 tomoe first? lol.

Rinnegan is different from the sharingan. I mean I doubt the sage of 6 paths had the sharingan.

 

[ImNoOne]

So, you believe MS is achievable without activating 3 tomoe first? lol.

When putted on those words it sounds silly I know. There is a reason why I didn't mentioned it in the other thread. But truth is that besides popular belief and status quo I could not find any reason for that not to be possible. The explicit requirements stated are witnessing a close one dying and then suffer great emotional trauma. Hopefully someone will prove me wrong I'll stumble on the idiotic things I saying. ^^

 

[Ryuu..]

Guys. We are avoiding the obvious other explanation. That his eyes were merely transplanted. That this is the reason he cannot switch it on and off. That he was chosen because he was an Uzuamki with longevity and high chakra. That his eyes were covered by his fringe for a reason. That Madara knew him by name. That Madara thought Nagato had revived him. That Tobi said he was the one who gave Nagato his eyes. That Tobi said Rinne Tensei was supposed to be used for his means. That Nagato's purpose was to be a vessel for Madara's eyes in order for Madara to be revived at a later date to help complete the infinite Tsukuyomi. That Nagato and Madara's eyes are one and the same.

It just makes so much more sense.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I'm not even convinced that you can just 'awaken' the Rinnegan. As Kabuto stated, it is a progession from the EMS. How could he have awakened it without having at least some form of sharingan - more importantly, the EMS? That's like saying someone can just awake the MS without having the 3 tomoe first.

The sense in this post is unbelievable, common guys are you telling me you disagree

 

[Owarij]

Where are you basing that argument?

The very fact that he said he collects special eyes etc, he would have tried each of them out to know this and see if they work

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Rinnegan is different from the sharingan. I mean I doubt the sage of 6 paths had the sharingan.

Check out this theory according to this the sage of six paths did have the sharingan, well the juubi's eye and removed the hatred (redness and tomoes) which he carries as a burden from the juubi. Those red glowing tomoes around his neck is him becoming the buden. It's only a theory but reading it all makes sense check it out

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[ImNoOne]

Check out this theory according to this the sage of six paths did have the sharingan, well the juubi's eye and removed the hatred (redness and tomoes) which he carries as a burden from the juubi. Those red glowing tomoes around his neck is him becoming the buden. It's only a theory but reading it all makes sense check it out

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No one is arguing that the Sharingans are related obviously progressed his into a Rinnegan. What is the fulcrum point is, is that the only way to achieve Rinnegan? Also if the Elder Brother descendent could achieve the power of the Sage all by them selves what would be the purpose of diving said power between the two sons in the first place? Also if it had no purpose at all and the Elder Brother descendants could actually achieve the Rinnegan by themselves how come that Madara was the first to do it and not the Elder Brother him self and his children who would have shared a more pure Sage of Six Paths genetic code. Unless you want us to believe that Madara was stronger than the son of the Sage of Six Paths, due to the inheritance of said person.

It is stated that the Sage entrusted half of his power to the Older Brother and the other half to the Younger one. If it wasn't to stop one to have the power without the other what would be the purpose of that action?

However you look at it it doesn't make sense unless both Uchiha and Senju/Uzumaki blood is needed in order to unlock/awaken the Rinnegan. And if there is a way for that to happen in an Uchiha there surely has to be an equally probable way for the same to be achievable by a Senju or an Uzumaki.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

No one is arguing that the Sharingans are related obviously progressed his into a Rinnegan. What is the fulcrum point is, is that the only way to achieve Rinnegan? Also if the Elder Brother descendent could achieve the power of the Sage all by them selves what would be the purpose of diving said power between the two sons in the first place? Also if it had no purpose at all and the Elder Brother descendants could actually achieve the Rinnegan by themselves how come that Madara was the first to do it and not the Elder Brother him self and his children who would have shared a more pure Sage of Six Paths genetic code. Unless you want us to believe that Madara was stronger than the son of the Sage of Six Paths, due to the inheritance of said person.

It is stated that the Sage entrusted half of his power to the Older Brother and the other half to the Younger one. If it wasn't to stop one to have the power without the other what would be the purpose of that action?

However you look at it it doesn't make sense unless both Uchiha and Senju/Uzumaki blood is needed in order to unlock/awaken the Rinnegan. And if there is a way for that to happen in an Uchiha there surely has to be an equally probable way for the same to be achievable by a Senju or an Uzumaki.

Dude sum up all that in 1 or two lines I read it but I don't get what you are trying to say. Anyway did you read my thread I posted.

A quote from that thread:

good theorey, you can go somewhere with it + rep and to add to it maybe the rinnengan is purple because its a mix of the red chakra (negative, hatred) from the juubi and blue chakra (positive/lofe, life force w.e) from the sage. Thats probably why madara needed senju DNA and unlocked the rinnengan after that fight

What he said plausible to me. So maybe an uchiha does need senju dna, but I am unsure. If yyou haven't read my thread read it.

 

[ImNoOne]

Sorry.. I'm in a hurry and didn't plot the thinking right. But I sort of analyze the idea and I think I have an explanation why that theory it's incompatible with the story. Basically it says that the sharingan is part of the eye of the Jubii and the Rinnegan is the other part. Meaning that the Sage was able to defeat the Jubii without having the Doujutso, which means that the power entrusted to the Younger brother was the Sages original power while the the Elder Brother was entrusted with the powers from the Jubii.

There are two things that cut down that idea.

The first is that Uchiha and Senju are supposed to be balanced. And yet the Sage was able to not only defeat but also enslave the Jubii with the power he entrusted the Younger Brother with.
Meaning that the Senju possess the power to defeat, seal and control the power of the Uchiha. Highly unlikely.
Secondly supposing that the Elder Brother was entrusted with the power of the Jubii, how does one explain the body of the Jubii being on the moon, and the power of the 9 Tailled Beasts? I know the Sage could do as he pleased but if he had already entrusted the power of the Jubii to his elder son why would he need to create the tailed beasts in order to divide that same power as he was dying and no one was strong enough to be the vessel for the Jubii. Not to mention that this would be like have only tree killos of blow and sending two packages of 3 killos each to 2 different people. Say doubling it out of thin air. Again highly unlikely.

I will re write my previous post later when I get back.
Just re-read my own previous post, no wonder you couldn't understand what I was saying. If hadn't knew what I wanted to say I wouldn't have understand it my self. I will remake it when I get back.

 

[MrLukyso]

Wow you're really really stupid man. First of all how can you say that Sharingan and Rinnegan are different Dojutsus ? Ofcourse they're the same dojutsu Sharingan > Mangekyou > Eternal Mangenkyou > Rinnegan.

Now think how can Hashirama awaken the Sharingan ? Not possible that's how it's not possible for Nagato to awaken RINNEGAN which you need to evolve and that only Uchiha can get it since you need to go beyond EMS first.

You do realize that Senju were born with Sages Body and Uchihas with eyes ? You do realize than ONLY, ONLY Madara Uchiha awakened Rinnegan in the whole story ? Only him, you know why? Cause you need huge talent, perspective and strength.

Secondly how can you prove Nagato awakened it ? I can prove with Manga that Madara gave him those eyes, how can you prove Nagato awakened it ? You have no evidence at ALL, you didn't saw Nagatos eyes, they were clearly covered with hair and he moved them away when he got angry to kill those Leafs.

Now you say why Nagato can't use Susanoo or Tsukuyomi with Rinnegan if it's Madara's ? Cause Nagato is a punk, Madara is a boss if seriously Madara can change between Rinne and Sharin and Nagato can't cause he's only Uzumaki not Uchiha with transplanted Dojutsu which are Uchiha's. Madara can use Susanoo with EMS or Rinnegan doesn't Matter, he can use Paths no matter, and Nagato is restricted to only Rinnegan jutsu cause he only got THAT implanted to him.

You know the sycle to get Rinnegan ? First you must achieve basic 3 Tomoe Sharingan, must kill your best friend or suffer pain like that and get MS - Mangekyou Sharingan, then you must transplant another Mangekyou to get Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. With EMS you must fight fight and fight for years, train, get knowlage and other stuff to go BEYOND EMS limits and awaken the Rinnegan.

Madara is the only one who's capable and who actually awakened the Rinnegan.
Nagato's and Tobi's eyes are Madara's.

I have proofs with Manga and with Thinking, you got only speculation nothing more, Uzumaki is not able to develop Uchiha dojutsu.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Sorry.. I'm in a hurry and didn't plot the thinking right. But I sort of analyze the idea and I think I have an explanation why that theory it's incompatible with the story. Basically it says that the sharingan is part of the eye of the Jubii and the Rinnegan is the other part. Meaning that the Sage was able to defeat the Jubii without having the Doujutso, which means that the power entrusted to the Younger brother was the Sages original power while the the Elder Brother was entrusted with the powers from the Jubii.

There are two things that cut down that idea.

The first is that Uchiha and Senju are supposed to be balanced. And yet the Sage was able to not only defeat but also enslave the Jubii with the power he entrusted the Younger Brother with.
Meaning that the Senju possess the power to defeat, seal and control the power of the Uchiha. Highly unlikely.
Secondly supposing that the Elder Brother was entrusted with the power of the Jubii, how does one explain the body of the Jubii being on the moon, and the power of the 9 Tailled Beasts? I know the Sage could do as he pleased but if he had already entrusted the power of the Jubii to his elder son why would he need to create the tailed beasts in order to divide that same power as he was dying and no one was strong enough to be the vessel for the Jubii. Not to mention that this would be like have only tree killos of blow and sending two packages of 3 killos each to 2 different people. Say doubling it out of thin air. Again highly unlikely.

I will re write my previous post later when I get back.
Just re-read my own previous post, no wonder you couldn't understand what I was saying. If hadn't knew what I wanted to say I wouldn't have understand it my self. I will remake it when I get back.

Well senju>uchiha as we have been told.

My theory doesn't say they were given the power of the juubi it says they were affected by it *curse of hatred* that obviously is not from the sage so that supports my theory.

Notice I say affected so yes the body is in the moon and the chakra is in the tailed beast.

 

[Tosen]

Wow you're really really stupid man. First of all how can you say that Sharingan and Rinnegan are different Dojutsus ? Ofcourse they're the same dojutsu Sharingan > Mangekyou > Eternal Mangenkyou > Rinnegan.

Now think how can Hashirama awaken the Sharingan ? Not possible that's how it's not possible for Nagato to awaken RINNEGAN which you need to evolve and that only Uchiha can get it since you need to go beyond EMS first.

You do realize that Senju were born with Sages Body and Uchihas with eyes ? You do realize than ONLY, ONLY Madara Uchiha awakened Rinnegan in the whole story ? Only him, you know why? Cause you need huge talent, perspective and strength.

Secondly how can you prove Nagato awakened it ? I can prove with Manga that Madara gave him those eyes, how can you prove Nagato awakened it ? You have no evidence at ALL, you didn't saw Nagatos eyes, they were clearly covered with hair and he moved them away when he got angry to kill those Leafs.

Now you say why Nagato can't use Susanoo or Tsukuyomi with Rinnegan if it's Madara's ? Cause Nagato is a punk, Madara is a boss if seriously Madara can change between Rinne and Sharin and Nagato can't cause he's only Uzumaki not Uchiha with transplanted Dojutsu which are Uchiha's. Madara can use Susanoo with EMS or Rinnegan doesn't Matter, he can use Paths no matter, and Nagato is restricted to only Rinnegan jutsu cause he only got THAT implanted to him.

You know the sycle to get Rinnegan ? First you must achieve basic 3 Tomoe Sharingan, must kill your best friend or suffer pain like that and get MS - Mangekyou Sharingan, then you must transplant another Mangekyou to get Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. With EMS you must fight fight and fight for years, train, get knowlage and other stuff to go BEYOND EMS limits and awaken the Rinnegan.

Madara is the only one who's capable and who actually awakened the Rinnegan.
Nagato's and Tobi's eyes are Madara's.

I have proofs with Manga and with Thinking, you got only speculation nothing more, Uzumaki is not able to develop Uchiha dojutsu.

lol Uchiha **** sucker alert alert, Madara is badass when his relying on other borrowed powers and edo regenration. The rinnegan is not an Uchiha doujutsu unless I see an Uchiha without senju cells awakening it.

and what proofs, only the words of a liar wow man ur really stupid and diluded.

 

[arv993]

Guys. We are avoiding the obvious other explanation. That his eyes were merely transplanted. That this is the reason he cannot switch it on and off. That he was chosen because he was an Uzuamki with longevity and high chakra. That his eyes were covered by his fringe for a reason. That Madara knew him by name. That Madara thought Nagato had revived him. That Tobi said he was the one who gave Nagato his eyes. That Tobi said Rinne Tensei was supposed to be used for his means. That Nagato's purpose was to be a vessel for Madara's eyes in order for Madara to be revived at a later date to help complete the infinite Tsukuyomi. That Nagato and Madara's eyes are one and the same.

It just makes so much more sense.

exactly it is the best explanation

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Guys. We are avoiding the obvious other explanation. That his eyes were merely transplanted. That this is the reason he cannot switch it on and off. That he was chosen because he was an Uzuamki with longevity and high chakra. That his eyes were covered by his fringe for a reason. That Madara knew him by name. That Madara thought Nagato had revived him. That Tobi said he was the one who gave Nagato his eyes. That Tobi said Rinne Tensei was supposed to be used for his means. That Nagato's purpose was to be a vessel for Madara's eyes in order for Madara to be revived at a later date to help complete the infinite Tsukuyomi. That Nagato and Madara's eyes are one and the same.

It just makes so much more sense.

It makes so much sense I want to cry when I see threads like these.

 

[natssuu]

Nagato's rinnegans were implanted, common sense. Madara said that he awakened rinnegans just a little before he died, where did those rinnegans disappear? Also, Nagato's rinnegans were always activated, he couldn't deactivate them, which means the eyes were transplanted.

Yeah, Nagato couldn't use the Sharingan techniques, because he lacks Uchiha blood.