Nagato awakened the rinnegan

[arv993]

let me tell u why its very unlikely

1. He is uzumaki a relative of senju who is the inheritor of sage's body
2. Madara mentions his name and expected to be revived by him and tobi even mentions that nagato had to use it for him
3.tobi says this to konan a lady who is about to die and also tells this to zetsu
4. he always had it activated never seen his regular eyes and his hair was always covered and thats obviously like that for a reason

all evidence points away from it

 

[izinagi54]

anyone from the uzumaki, senju and uchiha have the potential to awaken rinnegan.

however i crucnhed the numbers and this what i came up

plain uchiha: 14% chance aybe 20%

senju: 12%

uzumaki: ???? (we don't even know they are hybirds of uchiha and senju because it never specifically said who else gave rise to them) but if they are and for all its worth 30%

so far we hit 62% of 100% the other 38% GOES to a senju/uchiha hybrid
because the senju and uchiha are the main branch from the rikudo senin. however over time some traits by the law genetics will be lost so thats why if there are uchiha and senju hybirds out there you don't see them going around with rinnegan

ergo its possible not to be a uchiha and awaken the rinnegan.

also kabuto has a history of jumping the gun. no im being serious he sometimes thinks to far ahead and screws up somewhere.

but another thing is uchiha madara. killed his best friend, and then his brother to awaken the EMS. probably on his dying day did he ever awaken the rinnegan in a attempt for his own body to save but in turn it killed him because of the massive need for chakra right then and there. because he did not have it well you guess what happens next. also lets be honest if harishima and madara could change the map so drasticly in a battle one of them is packing a secret technique or somthing else to be able to change the map around so drasticly

 

[Tosen]

As I said to the post above, i'm not saying you're wrong, but you cannot prove it with the manga, whereas the Madara theory has some valid evidence. That's all i'm saying bro.

I understand what your saying but the Madara theory also has some holes like cough cough Tobi....

let me tell u why its very unlikely

1. He is uzumaki a relative of senju who is the inheritor of sage's body
2. Madara mentions his name and expected to be revived by him and tobi even mentions that nagato had to use it for him
3.tobi says this to konan a lady who is about to die and also tells this to zetsu
4. he always had it activated never seen his regular eyes and his hair was always covered and thats obviously like that for a reason

Understandable, however

1.Rinnegan requires the body has well, And even so the Uzumaki and Senju has minimal has it is have the possibility of getting the rinnegan as they did come from the sage of 6 paths himself and likewise for the Uchiha.

2.I admit this is the one point that puts a huge whole into the Nagato natural rinnegan theory, however Madara could have known about the birth of the new rinnegan bearer and set up plans for him to revive him through Tobi.

3.Lol Tobis words are little worths, remember this man told the lies of being Madara and that he wasn't responsible for the attack on Konoha. Also he could have told Konan because he wanted to break her spirit.

4.This isn't a direct proof, in all the shadowy figures we have seen of the sage he was shown with the rinnegan even when in non combat form.

 

[Seraphiel]

I did not give you a time frame of when they were implanted. Can you show me a picture of Nagato with normal eyes? Yes or No? I'm not saying you're wrong, i'm saying you cannot prove it.



As I said to the post above, i'm not saying you're wrong, but you cannot prove it with the manga, whereas the Madara theory has some valid evidence. That's all i'm saying bro.

I can't find the page, but I might just be able to prove this with the Edo Tensei. I might make a thread about it...

 

[arv993]

I understand what your saying but the Madara theory also has some holes like cough cough Tobi....

Understandable, however

1.Rinnegan requires the body has well, And even so the Uzumaki and Senju has minimal has it is have the possibility of getting the rinnegan as they did come from the sage of 6 paths himself and likewise for the Uchiha.

2.I admit this is the one point that puts a huge whole into the Nagato natural rinnegan theory, however Madara could have known about the birth of the new rinnegan bearer and set up plans for him to revive him through Tobi.

3.Lol Tobis words are little worths, remember this man told the lies of being Madara and that he wasn't responsible for the attack on Konoha. Also he could have told Konan because he wanted to break her spirit.

4.This isn't a direct proof, in all the shadowy figures we have seen of the sage he was shown with the rinnegan even when in non combat form.

it doesn't state that one needs the body of the sage obviously it makes the person stronger thus madara sought for hashi's power. but eyes and the body are halves of the sage's power.

a lady who was to be killed.

and why would nagato ever show it inactive think about it and when he was a kid it was covered up obviously for a reason. every natural user has shown their eyes to be deactivated at some point so yea its is a form of proof

 

[OWanime]

possibly or maybe he just wanted to preserve his eyes so that when he came back he could take them xd

 

[Tosen]

it doesn't state that one needs the body of the sage obviously it makes the person stronger thus madara sought for hashi's power. but eyes and the body are halves of the sage's power.

a lady who was to be killed.

and why would nagato ever show it inactive think about it and when he was a kid it was covered up obviously for a reason. every natural user has shown their eyes to be deactivated at some point so yea its is a form of proof

It heavily implies that you need Senju dna and it makes sense really. The Uchihas lacked stamina (not talking abt edo Madara who has hashi cells), I mean even powerful members like Itachi lacked stamina like Nagato,Hahsirama and Naruto. I mean you know how hard it would have been for an Uchiha to use 2 shinra tenseis xd, half there stamina goes right there. They were known for there powerful chakra and not stamina which is why I said the rinnegan has Senju qualities to it has well.

 

[ImNoOne]

Kabuto said that EMS+Senju DNA unlock Rinnegan. No one ever said that it was the only way to unlock it. And if you analyze what goes into the making of Rinnegan you stumble onto the conclusion that you need, surprise surprise, the two halves that make the Sage Uchiha and Senju/Uzumaki.

So I'd urge you all Uchiha fanboys to stop throwing the argument that Rinnegan is an Uchiha trait the evolution of Sharingan like it is a fact because it's not. And it's quite annoying to try to analyze something having to argue with your thick heads messing with the ability to think of your brains.

Also some one raised the question, fairly important one. Explain how do the Sharingans Tobi has on the wall of his lab which are not connected to any body and therefore have no chakra being fed to them, did not go back to being simple eyes? Obviously because they were on when the user died.

 

[Tosen]

Kabuto said that EMS+Senju DNA unlock Rinnegan. No one ever said that it was the only way to unlock it. And if you analyze what goes into the making of Rinnegan you stumble onto the conclusion that you need, surprise surprise, the two halves that make the Sage Uchiha and Senju/Uzumaki.

So I'd urge you all Uchiha fanboys to stop throwing the argument that Rinnegan is an Uchiha trait the evolution of Sharingan like it is a fact because it's not. And it's quite annoying to try to analyze something having to argue with your thick heads messing with the ability to think of your brains.

Also some one raised the question, fairly important one. Explain how do the Sharingans Tobi has on the wall of his lab which are not connected to any body and therefore have no chakra being fed to them, did not go back to being simple eyes? Obviously because they were on when the user died.

Exactly bro, lol like an Uchiha would have the stamina to use the rinnegan without senju cells. They would get tired after the first shinra tensei.

 

[Invsblphntm]

it doesn't state that one needs the body of the sage obviously it makes the person stronger thus madara sought for hashi's power. but eyes and the body are halves of the sage's power.

a lady who was to be killed.

and why would nagato ever show it inactive think about it and when he was a kid it was covered up obviously for a reason. every natural user has shown their eyes to be deactivated at some point so yea its is a form of proof

The elder son of the Sage of Six Paths had eyes that didn't match the Rinnegan (unless they screwed up the drawing). Uchiha are said to come from the elder son. The Sage of Six Paths and Madara have been proven to have awaken their eyes, what do they have in common...? They both posses Uchiha and Senju blood.

And do people really think Nagato's parents didn't notice his purple eyes? How did Madara abduct Nagato and implant eyes without ANYONE noticing? No one has explained this.

 

[Seraphiel]

If Tobi had the Rinnegan, then that would make him an Uchiha. Which means that Nagato should have had the ability to switch from Rinnegan and the Sharingan at will. It's not like he has two eye balls inside his head. Don't you transfer both the Sharingan and Rinnegan? You are implanting the same eye ball that has both Sharingan and Rinnegan.

 

[Hatake Senju]

The elder son of the Sage of Six Paths had eyes that didn't match the Rinnegan (unless they screwed up the drawing). Uchiha are said to come from the elder son. The Sage of Six Paths and Madara have been proven to have awaken their eyes, what do they have in common...? They both posses Uchiha and Senju blood.

And do people really think Nagato's parents didn't notice his purple eyes? How did Madara abduct Nagato and implant eyes without ANYONE noticing? No one has explained this.

1. I agree here.

2. A simple answer. Use a simple genjutsu on them all. He is Madara after all. Im sure it would have been very easy esp. if you use it on ppl who are not shinobi.

If Tobi had the Rinnegan, then that would make him an Uchiha. Which means that Nagato should have had the ability to switch from Rinnegan and the Sharingan at will. It's not like he has two eye balls inside his head. Don't you transfer both the Sharingan and Rinnegan? You are implanting the same eye ball that has both Sharingan and Rinnegan.

I would be inclined to say not. Sharingan and rinnegan are two very different dojutsus with different techs associated with each. If you implant a rinnegan, you are stuck with rinnegan as it is a very advanced dojutsu. If you implant a sharingan, depending on the type when it is taken you could have a weak sharingan that you are able to advance through training (Kakashi) or a strong sharingan that adds to or negates negative effects (Madara and Sasuke).

The key is that if you are NOT from the bloodline of whom it was taken, then the dojutsu stays on.

 

[HiddenSound]

Nagato didn't have the Sharingan because he was an Uzumaki, so he couldn't possibly have awoken Rinnegan. There is no doubt that Nagato had those eyes given to him, he did not awaken the Rinnegan.

 

[GhostWarrior]

Ops wrong thread , sry

 

[arv993]

It heavily implies that you need Senju dna and it makes sense really. The Uchihas lacked stamina (not talking abt edo Madara who has hashi cells), I mean even powerful members like Itachi lacked stamina like Nagato,Hahsirama and Naruto. I mean you know how hard it would have been for an Uchiha to use 2 shinra tenseis xd, half there stamina goes right there. They were known for there powerful chakra and not stamina which is why I said the rinnegan has Senju qualities to it has well.

one doesnt need it as far as we kno. only madara has gotten the rinnegan and he has poor stamina, no way in hell did u not see his perfect sussano and he fought with hashi to a battle of the death so he had a very good chakra reserve so ur idea of them only using a few rinnegan techs are absurd. look at sasuke now he can use a jutsu such as sussano and amaterasu with no visible strain dont compare the uchihas with MS which is known to take a lot of their stamina and eyesight away but ems makes it a lot more efficient. itachi had a disease and used the MS what do u think would happen to him and he still used a bunch of techs against sasuke in the fight. Uchihas should be able to use the rinnegan but obviously not to its full potential but should be more efficient with their dojutsus than outsiders cae and point kakashi.

I am not disagreeing that senju's power doesnt make them a hell of a lot stronger but its not necessary from what we kno about the rinnegan

 

[ImNoOne]

one doesnt need it as far as we kno. only madara has gotten the rinnegan and he has poor stamina, no way in hell did u not see his perfect sussano and he fought with hashi to a battle of the death so he had a very good chakra reserve so ur idea of them only using a few rinnegan techs are absurd. look at sasuke now he can use a jutsu such as sussano and amaterasu with no visible strain dont compare the uchihas with MS which is known to take a lot of their stamina and eyesight away but ems makes it a lot more efficient. itachi had a disease and used the MS what do u think would happen to him and he still used a bunch of techs against sasuke in the fight. Uchihas should be able to use the rinnegan but obviously not to its full potential but should be more efficient with their dojutsus than outsiders cae and point kakashi.

I am not disagreeing that senju's power doesnt make them a hell of a lot stronger but its not necessary from what we kno about the rinnegan

It's clear as day that in order to have to power of the Sage you need both halves. Also arguing that Nagato wouldn't be able to use a sharingan or progress it is hilarious as Kakashi and Danzo are proof that you can in fact use and progress Sharingan without being an Uchiha. it only doesn't come as easy mostly because normal people don't have to quality and quantity of chakra the Uchiha's spend on their taxy doujutso.

On the other hand you stated yourself that Madara must have been a beast on his own if he used that Susano'O against Hashirama, not only in their final battle but every time they clashed Hashi was only superior by a little. Meaning Madara was a chakra beast at the same scale of Hashirama, to be able to keep up. And this same reason makes the argument that Madara needed Hashirama's cells for chakra crumbles. What was said was that after he got Hashirama's DNA on him, reason why they clashed at the valley of the end according to Madara, he was able, thanks to said action, to eventually progress his EMS towards Rinnegan.

Note that he actually only obtained the Rinnegan close to his death. And from the info we have that was about 20 years (Counting from the Valley of the end up until 30 years ago, that I reckon should be the age of Nagato) if it was a matter of getting chakra fuel then it would have been immediate. But it wasn't it was a process of fusing that must have taken a long time to prepare and experiences. So all points that Senju DNA is a must to get Rinnegan, and not only their amount of chakra.

Bare in mind that what the Younger Son inherited was the body and that's half of the sage's chakra but also the DNA that incorporated the Rinnegan was the Body's DNA.

Try to think of this as the computer where you are reading this right now. Senju's DNA would be the instructions to build the hardware. Uchiha's DNA would be the script of the software. Without the two you can't open Safari and read NB (Rinnegan).

 

[Ryuu..]

I'm not even convinced that you can just 'awaken' the Rinnegan. As Kabuto stated, it is a progession from the EMS. How could he have awakened it without having at least some form of sharingan - more importantly, the EMS? That's like saying someone can just awake the MS without having the 3 tomoe first.

 

[Owarij]

Nagat was never seen awakening the eyes , There is a reason why Nagato's normal eyes have never been shown by kishi.. there is a reason why he always had his hair covering them.... Because he always had the rinnegan... It's a transplanted eye, which is why he can't turn it off, which is why even when he died it didn't come off

 

[Tosen]

one doesnt need it as far as we kno. only madara has gotten the rinnegan and he has poor stamina, no way in hell did u not see his perfect sussano and he fought with hashi to a battle of the death so he had a very good chakra reserve so ur idea of them only using a few rinnegan techs are absurd. look at sasuke now he can use a jutsu such as sussano and amaterasu with no visible strain dont compare the uchihas with MS which is known to take a lot of their stamina and eyesight away but ems makes it a lot more efficient. itachi had a disease and used the MS what do u think would happen to him and he still used a bunch of techs against sasuke in the fight. Uchihas should be able to use the rinnegan but obviously not to its full potential but should be more efficient with their dojutsus than outsiders cae and point kakashi.

I am not disagreeing that senju's power doesnt make them a hell of a lot stronger but its not necessary from what we kno about the rinnegan

Mmm I am looking forward to the hashirama vs Madara

Nagat was never seen awakening the eyes , There is a reason why Nagato's normal eyes have never been shown by kishi.. there is a reason why he always had his hair covering them.... Because he always had the rinnegan... It's a transplanted eye, which is why he can't turn it off, which is why even when he died it didn't come off

Thats not a good reason to say his rinnegan was transplanted. I mean we saw that Tobi had a lab which contained many many activated sharingans from dead Uchiha, why is it that none of them deactivated.

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[Kratos of cruxis]

I doubt he awaked it on hid own maybe he was implanted uchiha dna and it turned on who knows but I dont think tobi would lie about every little thing iy would be a waste of time