Requirements to unlock Rinnegan

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And the only way this is possible is if he got them from someone else. That is if all other statements are true.

like i said so much info is left out about Nagato.. and he awakened the rinnegan. so the statement "only Uchihas can awaken rinnegan" is proven false with Nagatos case.
 

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like i said so much info is left out about Nagato.. and he awakened the rinnegan. so the statement "only Uchihas can awaken rinnegan" is proven false with Nagatos case.

We know enough about Nagato. The debate here is not "only Uchihas can awaken rinnegan" but did Nagato activate rinnegan on his own or did Madara give him the rinnegan.

From your posts, I assume you believe nothing Tobi has stated. Which means that there is a hole in the story. That hole cannot be filled because Nagato is dead and cannot explain himself and the only other person who knows the truth would be Madara or Tobi who claim to know it. Kishi could just comment on this, but more likely you will have to believe Madara and Tobi. Otherwise there will be no evidence to declare otherwise.
 

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We know enough about Nagato. The debate here is not "only Uchihas can awaken rinnegan" but did Nagato activate rinnegan on his own or did Madara give him the rinnegan.

From your posts, I assume you believe nothing Tobi has stated. Which means that there is a hole in the story. That hole cannot be filled because Nagato is dead and cannot explain himself and the only other person who knows the truth would be Madara or Tobi who claim to know it. Kishi could just comment on this, but more likely you will have to believe Madara and Tobi. Otherwise there will be no evidence to declare otherwise.

kishi could just show a random flashback like he did with Kakashis backstory on how he obtained the sharingan... nothing says Madara or Tobi has to introduce a flashback or give their backstory or explain a thing..

im not one of those people who says "Tobi is a liar".. Tobi has lied about some things but he has also shed some light on other things as well. not everything he says is a lie and those things that are lies are explained later on anyways so it doesnt even matter. its all for purpose of his character and plot of the story anyways.

but on Nagato... i just dont know. and im not going to pretend like i know anything for sure. all i can do is take what we have in the manga so far and base my opinions on that. obviously Tobi and Madara are tied to Nagato. did they give him rinnegan? idk. maybe, but Jiraiya and Nagato both have flashbacks where Nagato awaken rinnegan. no Tobi or Madara in the flashbacks...

but i agree there is a hole in the story. agreed. kishi will explain it very soon tho, im sure
 

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kishi could just show a random flashback like he did with Kakashis backstory on how he obtained the sharingan... nothing says Madara or Tobi has to introduce a flashback or give their backstory or explain a thing..

im not one of those people who says "Tobi is a liar".. Tobi has lied about some things but he has also shed some light on other things as well. not everything he says is a lie and those things that are lies are explained later on anyways so it doesnt even matter. its all for purpose of his character and plot of the story anyways.

but on Nagato... i just dont know. and im not going to pretend like i know anything for sure. all i can do is take what we have in the manga so far and base my opinions on that. obviously Tobi and Madara are tied to Nagato. did they give him rinnegan? idk. maybe, but Jiraiya and Nagato both have flashbacks where Nagato awaken rinnegan. no Tobi or Madara in the flashbacks...

but i agree there is a hole in the story. agreed. kishi will explain it very soon tho, im sure

Absolutely true. But with Nagato, everytime his eyes are shown rinnegan is activated. In chapter 444, when his backstory is kinda explained it says that his parents weren't ninja and you never see his eyes. In Jiraya's flashback in chapter 372 you still never see his eyes. If they were implanted, then it would have been before either of these flashbacks and Nagato's rinnegan would always be activated. And if they were implanted, then its permanent until someone takes the eyes away. So Tobi or Madara wouldnt need to be there all the time, just to check up on him.

I think the biggest thing is whether or not Tobi/Madara is telling the truth and something to back it up. And of course we don't have that right now lol
So now we wait for the enlightenment
 

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You guys were talkin about Jiraya's flash back , and i just remembered that he didn't notice that Nagato have the Rinnegan untill he killed that shinobi .
My personal opinion its abit odd , spending few days or more "Yahiko had time to remember the fishing trick Jiraya tought him" with them without seeing Nagato's eyes .
Maybe he didn't see the kid's eyes for few days , or as far as i think he saw them and they weren't activated .
 

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You guys were talkin about Jiraya's flash back , and i just remembered that he didn't notice that Nagato have the Rinnegan untill he killed that shinobi .
My personal opinion its abit odd , spending few days or more "Yahiko had time to remember the fishing trick Jiraya tought him" with them without seeing Nagato's eyes .
Maybe he didn't see the kid's eyes for few days , or as far as i think he saw them and they weren't activated .

Thats dumb n highly unlikely.
 

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I have a hard time believing that someone as alert as Jiraya would fail to spot out the Rinnegan for such a long time, or that Orochimary and Tsunade did not run their eyes through the three kids. I mean I know they were kids, but they were in a foreigner country in the middle of a bloody war. And it's tactics 1 o' 1 to appear that you are weaker than you are. I'd think that in this situation the Sannin would not have deal with it so lightly that they would miss the Rinnegan covered by only hair bangs.
I honestly believe that the eyes were not activated, but as we never see them I might be wrong.

Anyhow the fact still remains that Nagato had only half of what it took to awaken the Rinnegan on his own, he would still need the Uchiha part. And that's where either Madara or Tobi comes in. This topic is actually more about whether the eyes that were implanted in Nagato were Madara's Rinnegan or someone else's Sharingan. Based on the assumption that the reason why Madara needed EMS was because only EMS unlocked the info that Uchiha + Senju = Sage of Six Paths.
 

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Edit: Please note that whenever I say Senju or Uzumaki it refers to both, meaning Younger Brother Descendants.

Rinnegan is not actually an Uchiha trait. Yes, it seems that EMS is a must, or is it, in order to unlock Rinnegan, but it's only half of the way. Uchiha's need Senju DNA too. From Madara and Kabuto's talk it seems that Madara fought Hashirama in order to get his power (DNA) and thanks to that was later on, near his death, able to progress his EMS towards Rinnegan. This makes Rinnegan as much an Uchiha trait as it is a Senju trait. And Since Nagato, an Uzumaki, was able to use it then it means that any Senju/Uzumaki could use it too. Notice that I said use and not unlock.

I have a theory though, that what Tobi actually implanted on Nagato was a pair of sharingans, and since Nagato is also a descendant from the younger brother, much like when Sasuke first awaken the sharingan, in a traumatic situation Nagato awoke the Rinnegan. Why is this?

Well we all know that the Elder Son of the Sage wrote down the secrets of the Sharingan and the Rinnegan in the Uchiha's Stone. It's also stated that these secrets are not visible to all, in fact each time you progress in Sharingan you unlock some more info on the rock. My theory is that Madara only learned how to unlock Rinnegan with the info he got from the stone with the EMS, hence why he was so surprised how Orochimaru and Kabuto knew so much about the stone and what took to unlock the Rinnegan since no one else had the eyes to unlock that knowledge, and he kinda like was the only one with EMS.

So with EMS Madara was able to learn from the stone that Sharingan could progress into Rinnegan. Then he goes after Hashirama's DNA, coincidence? I Think not. Uchiha got the eyes and the chakra but they lacked the body to truly incorporate all of what made the Sage of Six Paths. That body are the Younger Brother's descendants. I think that is what Madara learned from the stone with his EMS.

At this point we assume that in order to unlock Rinnegan, if you are an Uchiha, you need both Senju DNA and EMS. Which is true because without EMS you can't find out the info on the Stone. But from a logical point of view you don't actually need the EMS in order to get Rinnegan. Maybe all you need is MS and Senju DNA? Granted Madara had EMS but is only an extended MS, a safer one let's say.

So assuming this is true, then we have Tobi implanting a pair of Sharingans in Nagato. Nagato then later witnesses his parents being slaughtered, causing him great pain. In theory that is what takes to unlock MS, if you have a Sharingan. As it happened in a body that descends from the Younger Brother it automatically turned to a Rinnegan, bypassing all the sharingans.

It makes sense to me because it accounts for every aspect that is known to us. It also explains why while not being Madara Tobi could implant the Rinnegan in Nagato, only that he did so much implanted the grown Doujutso as he planted the seeds set the stage and then waited for it to grow coming later to harvest it. Tobi had access to loads of Sharingans as we've seen so it's possible.

What do you think?

THe only requirement to unlock Rinnegan is if Kishi decided to that's all
 
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