Perfect Susanoo needs Rinnegan

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^^^^ youre taking everything at literal word base..... which you cant, cause if you do than hiruzen is the god shinobi and all pale in comparison....

1. he says experience why people FEARED HIS NAME! which was state when he was revived that tobi was using his name because it inspires fear not because it pretains to him having PS

2.He is the master of the sharingan and he has used it before..... He had rinnegan for a some time before dying like he said to kabuto when talking through muu

3.he says who maps redrawn thing cause after their battles as clans the create a ****ing village which created nations aka creating countries i fail to see that relevance to PS. He says that to show he is demi-godlike compared to the 5 "strongest" ninjas of the villages....

4.why does oonoki asking madara why he went easy on him mean madara had PS instead of why madara didnt just kill oonoki flat out? It just shows that Madara couldve destroyed him than and still can now..

5. The whole bijuu can withstand the attack sets up for the incoming naruto vs sasuke fight that will come which everyone agrees is after they get their powerups

6. because ems is just an MS that doesnt make the user go blind (aka a new MS with no draw-backs to its abuse) and theyve done every tech he has done except PS and the only difference between sasuke and madara IS THE RINNEGAN

so swing and a miss.... refuted all points
 
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The rinnegan is what awaits beyond the sharingan, MS and EMS are evolutions of a matured sharingan eye, rinnegan is a different doujutso all together it is one of the three great eye techs, it is not part of the sharingan.

You will notice that none of the rinnegan techs are even similar to sharingan or byakugan techs, they bring the laws of physics into the hands of it's user rather than altering them altogether like the sharingan does.

I mean really is soul sucking even anywhere near what a sharingan can do?

As for perfect susanoo needing the rinnegan I agree, but I believe by the time madara awakened the rinnegan his body was shattered he used the last of his chakra and the rinnegan to face hashirama with perfect susanoo, he didn't maintain that form for long enough to beat hashirama and using it possibly even led to his death.
 

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Perfect Susano'o does not need the Rinnegan
 

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Madara awoke the Rinnegan shortly before his death but was able to use the Susanoo in his prime, this Susanoo was confirmed as Madaras true strength. When Oonoki asked him why he didn't use it back then, he gave him the reason that he didn't want to fight a child serious. Just calm yourself, the Susanoo is a part of the Mangekyou Sharingan and that is a fact. The EMS just gives you a boost, it enables you to use a huger Susanoo and to stabilize his Chakra. He used his normal Susanoo while using the Rinnegan too, it does not matter which DouJutsu he uses in the end, because he can use the Susanoo since he possesses the Sharingan, too.
 

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madara awoke the rinnegan shortly before his death but was able to use the susanoo in his prime, this susanoo was confirmed as madaras true strength. When oonoki asked him why he didn't use it back then, he gave him the reason that he didn't want to fight a child serious. Just calm yourself, the susanoo is a part of the mangekyou sharingan and that is a fact. The ems just gives you a boost, it enables you to use a huger susanoo and to stabilize his chakra. He used his normal susanoo while using the rinnegan too, it does not matter which doujutsu he uses in the end, because he can use the susanoo since he possesses the sharingan, too.

oonoki isnt refering to ps he is asking madara why he didnt kill him back than **** sake read the other comments on this thread before you make dumb comments
 

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Susano'o is Madara E/MS jutsu has nothin to do with Rinnegan

yes final susanoo is ems tech liek sasukes but perfect susanoo the giant one that slashes mountains is a rinnegan tech..... one get rinnegan when the progress past ems...
 

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yes final susanoo is ems tech liek sasukes but perfect susanoo the giant one that slashes mountains is a rinnegan tech..... one get rinnegan when the progress past ems...

Perfect Susano'o is a EMS technique
 

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Perfect Susano'o is a EMS technique

o really so without believing narutopedia.... tell me why cause he has rinnegan active you dont see sasuke using it either? he has ems he can therefore use it so wwhy hasnt he? it's not that why which is why he has it active when using it seriously you arent debating you just want posts go play ****ing forum games or provide proof
 

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Tsunade asked if her father really fighted against a "monster" like that (Perfect Susano'o)
Madara replied with an answer saying the only one who can stop him is Hashirama, meaning that he must've used it against Hashirama otherwise Madara would've given him a reply something like "I didn't use this against your grandfather."
 

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Showing us a bunch of scans doesn't automatically prove you right. Madara was in Susanoo with Rinnegan activated before.

Madara didn't have the rinnegan when fighting hashirama, so why would tsunade question if he faught against that susano'o, and why would madara know that hashirama could still beat him...? I believe it's just an EMS technique. Also he uses every other form of his susano'o using the rinnegan, so IF the "perfect" susano'o is a rinnegan tech, then all other forms are as well.

These are legit questions. I still see no reason why Rinnegan is necessary to stabilize Susano'o's chakra, as that's all Madara did to go from final Susanoo to perfect Susanoo. All I see to be required to do that is a huge load of chakra and an even bigger load of chakra control. I don't see proof anywhere that one needs Rinnegan in order to get perfect Susanoo. The OP proved nothing.

Finally if you are searching for the next level of Susanoo (Rinnegan's Susanoo) we were already presented to it and it's called Gedo Mazo, goes a step further than Susano'o taking actual physical form. That is a Rinnegan ability. Perfect Susanoo is just the finished proof that Madara has a tremendous experience and chakra control and that both Sasuke and Itachi were/are still "noobs" relating to Susanoo.
 

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Wat this is stupid he had it when he fought the 1st hokage witch he did not have rennigan yet thread fail
 

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Tsunade asked if her father really fighted against a "monster" like that (Perfect Susano'o)
Madara replied with an answer saying the only one who can stop him is Hashirama, meaning that he must've used it against Hashirama otherwise Madara would've given him a reply something like "I didn't use this against your grandfather."

hahahaha why do you think that is the answer seriously? she asked did he face this not to him but rhetorically madara didnt even answer that question... seriously he says hes the only one to be able to stop him that's why he is the only one to stop him you arent saying anything different from shit ive already refuted
 

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Wat this is stupid he had it when he fought the 1st hokage witch he did not have rennigan yet thread fail

o really show it to me please where it says he has PS when fighting the first cause all we've been shown was ems and kyubbi thats is so ****ing prove it
 

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o really so without believing narutopedia.... tell me why cause he has rinnegan active you dont see sasuke using it either? he has ems he can therefore use it so wwhy hasnt he? it's not that why which is why he has it active when using it seriously you arent debating you just want posts go play ****ing forum games or provide proof

Why read Narutopedia when you have the manga. With Ms Sasuke he awaken all his Stages of Susano'o in battle with EMS he fought some fodders Zetsu and Itachi and him were trying to end edo so once Sasuke have a real battle he will unleash his perfect Susano'o.
 

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Susanoo is a Mangekyou Sharingan technique. There is little evidence to suggest that the 'Perfect Susanoo' derives from the Rinnegan. I believe Hashirama did indeed fight the Perfect Susanoo, something I think was hinted by Kishi when Tsunade said "Did my grandfather really fight against this?" Moreover, we need to think about the idea that Perfect Susanoo is > or = a bijuu. Why? If Sasuke and Naruto are to be equal, it is very likely at this point he will need to unlock the perfect Susanoo. PS = BM. IF Sasuke now unlocks the Rinnegan aswell, will these two remain in balance? I think not. IF Sasuke gets both the Rinnegan and Perfect Susanoo, he will be superior to Naruto. The series is coming to an end and i'm not yet convinced that Naruto will receive another powerup, except for maybe increasing the length of Bijuu Mode (Perfecting it). What does all this mean? That perhaps the Perfect Susanoo does NOT require the Rinnegan. I think Kishi has been hinting at this in the last two chapters.
 

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look at the link.

oonoki clearly says that this is the true power of uchiha madara and compares it to his previous encounter nd says he went easy on muu and oonoki. what the hell do u think caused him to say that his perfect sussano ofc and madara also gave him a reason that he was a child

and he doesnt tell tsunade that he only got this through the rinnegan when she asked how hashirama beat Perfect sussano
 
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