When You are Comparing Naruto to Sasuke For God's Sake Dont Use Kurama as Excuse

So after Reading the Who Thread DO you Think Naruto using Kurama is Fair ???

  • YES it is Fair

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  • NO Its Not Fair .

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oh my base sasuke is sasuke with 3 tomoe sharingan, take that away he can't even use chidori, with that sasuke can only do some taijutsu and some fire attack :sy:

and No, Naruto can't throw rasen shuriken in base mode. so he can't use it

The only reason he can throw it in the first place is because of his manipulation of natural energy in SM. Recall Fukasaku's explanation about how senjutsu increases the range of your attacks? That's basically what Naruto does when he throws the FRS; he uses natural energy to propel the attack away from his hand and towards his enemy.

This is why his Kawazu Kumite training was needed before he successfully completed the attack during his senjutsu training. He learned how to attack things from a distance during this training.

Actually I believe you would be wrong on that point, he couldn't throw it because it was so heavy. In sage mode his strength is insane that's why he can lob a giant ball of rotating heavy chakra.

This thread kills me, why should Naruto not be allowed sage mode? I believe he worked his ass off for it. It's not genetic or sealed into him. So since that's the subject i guess Sasuke can't use anything he learned from Orochimaru. That seems fair i guess. Wth do half of you think on these forums?

Let's rework this argument, Naruto vs Sasuke. The only thing's they get to use is learned techniques, no eye's or Bijuu's. They both have a pretty straight forward arsenal, fireballs and snakes vs shadow clones and rassengan variations... So pro.
 
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This thread kills me, why should Naruto not be allowed sage mode? I believe he worked his ass off for it. It's not genetic or sealed into him. So since that's the subject i guess Sasuke can't use anything he learned from Orochimaru. That seems fair i guess. Wth do half of you think on these forums?

Let's rework this argument, Naruto vs Sasuke. The only thing's they get to use is learned techniques, no eye's or Bijuu's. They both have a pretty straight forward arsenal, fireballs and snakes vs shadow clones and rassengan variations... So pro.

if its that way sasuke wins because he got more techniques than naruto but with bijju naruto wins.
 

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If sasuke does get the rinnegan then I assume he will be able to use perfect susano which is said to be stronger than the tailed beasts
 

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Look, some people had to deal with an OP Naruto, now we're probably getting an OP Sasuke and ur going to be pissed, then u'll know how the other people feel. Simple
 

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The cage is a metaphor to show the nine tails supressed chakra. If the cage wasn't there the nine tails chakra would completely control naruto.

heh. iff the "cage wasint there im sure there wouldin't be a naruto. xd
 

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This thread kills me, why should Naruto not be allowed sage mode? I believe he worked his ass off for it. It's not genetic or sealed into him. So since that's the subject i guess Sasuke can't use anything he learned from Orochimaru. That seems fair i guess. Wth do half of you think on these forums?

Let's rework this argument, Naruto vs Sasuke. The only thing's they get to use is learned techniques, no eye's or Bijuu's. They both have a pretty straight forward arsenal, fireballs and snakes vs shadow clones and rassengan variations... So pro.

if its that way sasuke wins because he got more techniques than naruto but with bijju naruto wins.

Also remember base naruto is not that weak and a good match for sasuke:
1. In base stats naruto still has SM
2. Without Kurama ma and pa can fuse with naruto and indefinately extend SM and also provide sauiton, fuuton, katon, genjutsu techs and can also release genjutsu if naruto falls under it. (Dont complain if sasuke's summons are not that cool)
3. Dont count on kirin, it requires stormclouds to perform. Sasuke needs hell lot of heat to form clouds, two or three katons not gona do the trick. Sasuke need a lot of time before he can use that and naruto can just blow the clouds away with wind release. Personally i would like to see a rasensuriken and kirin clash. (In fight with itachi it was more of an plot no jutsu and also had help from the extreme heat from amaterasu)
4. Naruto in sage mode has a great power boost to all jutsu, speed, endurance and a near 33% chakra boost.
5. Those who complain naruto has no base chakra check out these facts: both Gaara and Kushina had their bijuu removed, but kushina was able to hold down kurama (even tough she was exhausted) with her chakra chains and gaara can still use his sand powers effectively (even seems to be improving). In a nut shell, jinkchuriki's have high chakra even without their biju, so naruto do have high chakra as he held down kurama since birth plus he has uzumaki powers of strong chakra and life force.
6. Yes naruto needs clones to do most of his techs but needs only one for rasengan and two for rasensuriken, i think he can handle at least 3-4 clones in base mode. (Also note that when clones disappear they add their chakra to their user)
7. Without sharingan sasuke has only raiton and katon. Plus his reflexes will slower as he no longer can predict opponent's moves and genjutsu skill will be much reduced.
8. Lee once defaeted Sasuke easily (just before chunin exams), so can he do it now? past is past.

Side note:
1. Dont complain why SM is included in base form but sharingan is not, its cos SM can be LEARNT, sasuke can learn SM but naruto can never LEARN SHARINGAN.
2. B4 u call me or anyone who agrees with me a fanboy or just simply say sasuke can beat naruto bcos he is sasuke, can u prove my points wrong? OR in anyway prove why naruto is not at least an equal (if not greater than) of sasuke, even in base mode?
3. Even if sasuke is allwed to have MS, (Not EMS as the eyes are his brothers not his own) sasuke wld be blind or partially blind.
4. For proof of my statements:
a. read the manga
b.
c.
d.
e.
f. Use ur brain and think logically.
 
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Naruto using kurama is just as fair as sasuke using itachi's eyes. Without kurama, naruto wouldn't have so much chakra and without itachi's eyes sasuke would be blind.
 

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Naruto using kurama is just as fair as sasuke using itachi's eyes. Without kurama, naruto wouldn't have so much chakra and without itachi's eyes sasuke would be blind.

Look above for a lil info: long post, point 5 especially.
 

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Sasuke C2>Naruto 1 tails
Sasuke kirin>4 tails naruto
Sasuke MS=Sage mode
Sasuke EMS=NAruto KCM
Sasuke rinnegan=Biji 2 mode
 

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Well sasuke CAN be gay there is proofs of this possibility:
1. Did he ever showed interest or even complement a girl?
2. He tried to kill both the girls that loved him, but spared naruto on a whim at the valley.
3. He shows no reaction to sexy no jutsu. (Even lazy shikamaru does)
4. He didnt mind much being kissed by naruto. (Why didnt he kick his a$$ 4 that)

your mom is gay

No insluting anyone's relatives or stating stating their sexual preferences without proof. Please be civil.

Too many sasuke haters.

They may be sasuke haters or people who can lay down their fanboyism to see the reason.
 

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Have any of u notice when naruto and sasuke fought,naruto would us a better type of power ahead of sasuke!!! THen sasuke would unlock something better and beat naruto ASS!!
 
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Please stop writing crazy comments

Crazy? Please elaborate.......

Sasuke C2>Naruto 1 tails
Sasuke kirin>4 tails naruto
Sasuke MS=Sage mode
Sasuke EMS=NAruto KCM
Sasuke rinnegan=Biji 2 mode

This seems to be more true:
Sasuke > Naruto
Sharingan+Sasuke <= SM+Naruto
MS <= KM
EMS <= BM
EMS < BM + SM

Have any of u naruto idiots notice when naruto and sasuke fought,naruto would us a better type of power ahead of sasuke!!! THen sasuke would unlock something better and beat naruto ASS!!

Stop living in the past. Sasuke was always better at the beginning while naruto only once or twice equaled sasuke. But NOW they are quite the equals or naruto better.
 
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The sharingan is a genetic attribute, Kurama is an entity with its own power that lives inside Naruto and lends Naruto chakra and regeneration, if Kurama was a genetic trait or even not a whole living creature that is living and could live without Naruto it would be like you say, its not the same.
 

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stop posting stupid comments

Well i asked u to elaborate what is crazy or stupid. Cant u be clearer so that i can understand. Jsut bcos people disagree with ur view or have their own opinions, doesnt mean they are wrong or stupid. If u have reason to belive something state it like a civilised man. Not scream like a savage.

there was no reason for u to write a wrong response

U considered sasuke with rinnegan even b4 he actually got one (and saw his limit) and considered him an equal BM. U cant be more wrong than me.... cause if sasuke gona get rinnegan he is nearly 99% sure to kick naruto's a$$. Get ur resonings right then post.

The sharingan is a genetic attribute, Kurama is an entity with its own power that lives inside Naruto and lends Naruto chakra and regeneration, if Kurama was a genetic trait or even not a whole living creature that is living and could live without Naruto it would be like you say, its not the same.

U can say sasuke got his sharingan as a sperm and naruto as a child. But kurama was a power source that belonged to Kushina his mother and can be 'Handed' down to naruto. (cant it be considered a good sword gifted to him?, just like sasuke was born with the luck of having uchiha DNA)

Plus:

Also remember base naruto is not that weak and a good match for sasuke:
1. In base stats naruto still has SM
2. Without Kurama ma and pa can fuse with naruto and indefinately extend SM and also provide sauiton, fuuton, katon, genjutsu techs and can also release genjutsu if naruto falls under it. (Dont complain if sasuke's summons are not that cool)
3. Dont count on kirin, it requires stormclouds to perform. Sasuke needs hell lot of heat to form clouds, two or three katons not gona do the trick. Sasuke need a lot of time before he can use that and naruto can just blow the clouds away with wind release. Personally i would like to see a rasensuriken and kirin clash. (In fight with itachi it was more of an plot no jutsu and also had help from the extreme heat from amaterasu)
4. Naruto in sage mode has a great power boost to all jutsu, speed, endurance and a near 33% chakra boost.
5. Those who complain naruto has no base chakra check out these facts: both Gaara and Kushina had their bijuu removed, but kushina was able to hold down kurama (even tough she was exhausted) with her chakra chains and gaara can still use his sand powers effectively (even seems to be improving). In a nut shell, jinkchuriki's have high chakra even without their biju, so naruto do have high chakra as he held down kurama since birth plus he has uzumaki powers of strong chakra and life force.
6. Yes naruto needs clones to do most of his techs but needs only one for rasengan and two for rasensuriken, i think he can handle at least 3-4 clones in base mode. (Also note that when clones disappear they add their chakra to their user)
7. Without sharingan sasuke has only raiton and katon. Plus his reflexes will slower as he no longer can predict opponent's moves and genjutsu skill will be much reduced.
8. Lee once defaeted Sasuke easily (just before chunin exams), so can he do it now? past is past.

Side note:
1. Dont complain why SM is included in base form but sharingan is not, its cos SM can be LEARNT, sasuke can learn SM but naruto can never LEARN SHARINGAN. So how can it be fair?
2. B4 u call me or anyone who agrees with me a fanboy or just simply say sasuke can beat naruto bcos he is sasuke, can u prove my points wrong? OR in anyway prove why naruto is not at least an equal (if not greater than) of sasuke, even in base mode(including only learnable powers)?
3. Even if sasuke is allwed to have MS, (Not EMS as the eyes are his brothers not his own) sasuke wld be blind or partially blind.
4. For proof of my statements:
a. read the manga
b.
c.
d.
e.
f. Use ur brain and think logically.
 
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You all do realize that this is just a manga right.

All right I will argue both sides. Naruto is not weak without kuubi he also has a large base chakra reserve. Yamaoto says that a large part of it is diverted to keep the kuubi contained. Its sort of a trade off he gets enhanced power in exchange for lack of control. But now that the seal is removed that will probably change. Plus he is only 16 years old people. He also possess a great deal of talent so no he is not a weakling without the 9 tails. Besides he can maintain sage mode without clones its just they act as storage for more natural chakra.

As for Sasuke, he is a natural genius and posses great power even without the Sharingan. He is extremely powerful and is currently stronger than base Naruto but that will probably change before this series is over remember its still ongoing.

One thing to keep in mind is that Naruto is going to become as strong as Hashirama and Sasuke is proabably going to become as strong as Madara or stronger. This story is about both of them and will end with a fight between them.
 

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You all do realize that this is just a manga right.

All right I will argue both sides. Naruto is not weak without kuubi he also has a large base chakra reserve. Yamaoto says that a large part of it is diverted to keep the kuubi contained. Its sort of a trade off he gets enhanced power in exchange for lack of control. But now that the seal is removed that will probably change. Plus he is only 16 years old people. He also possess a great deal of talent so no he is not a weakling without the 9 tails. Besides he can maintain sage mode without clones its just they act as storage for more natural chakra.

As for Sasuke, he is a natural genius and posses great power even without the Sharingan. He is extremely powerful and is currently stronger than base Naruto but that will probably change before this series is over remember its still ongoing.

One thing to keep in mind is that Naruto is going to become as strong as Hashirama and Sasuke is proabably going to become as strong as Madara or stronger. This story is about both of them and will end with a fight between them.

I hope ur not right about the last part. If they fight and exhaust each other, who is gona stop Tobi? And if naruto stops tobi beforehand he wld be exhausted and it will not not be a fair match up sasuke. Uhhh.... i hate this.
Also read by last post it wld give real idea of the situation.
 
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I hope ur not right about the last part. If they fight and exhaust each other, who is gona stop Tobi? And if naruto stops tobi beforehand he wld be exhausted and it will not not be a fair match up sasuke. Uhhh.... i hate this.
Also read by last post it wld give real idea of the situation.

I swear u do not know your facts
 
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