Perfect Susanoo needs Rinnegan

[Super Kami Guru]

I know this thread has been made thousands of times in the last two weeks but im sick of people ignoring facts. The rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan as state by kabuto here and next page madara proves it true:

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Also for those who say well madara is just using rinnegan but it's an ems tech and narutopedia says so i will now post parts of the manga from madara fighting clearly show him switching between different eyes to use different techs:
Page 1: Madara has been using final form susanoo an ems tech but as he sees he's going to be hit he switchs to rinnegan

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Page 2:Madara uses Chibaku Tensei to create giant meteor or atleast pull them in clearly same tech kishi is getting lazy with saying jutsu name aka he spams "sharingan genjutsu"

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Page 3: 5 kage fight madara's wood clones with susanoo all using susanoo.... and madara uses a sharingan gen on the raikage WITH THE EMS:

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Page 4: Madara awakens perfect susanoo with the rinnegan activated:

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Also if rinnegan is the final evolution of the sharingan IT IS TECHINQUELY A SHARINGAN so saying well its and ems tech seriously just doesnt work. Why would the wood clones be using ems if they could just have rinnegan open to use those techs and original madara is just standing there with rinnegan activated?

 

[-Logic-]

Thank you! If you want a detailed version with a crap load of text check my sig! It explores Susano'o. I agree with you, +Rep!

 

[Sabuto Hayashi]

Nice explanation!
+rep.

 

[Kettei]

Agreed.

 

[MorphyRulez]

I know this thread has been made thousands of times in the last two weeks but im sick of people ignoring facts. The rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan as state by kabuto here and next page madara proves it true:

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Also for those who say well madara is just using rinnegan but it's an ems tech and narutopedia says so i will now post parts of the manga from madara fighting clearly show him switching between different eyes to use different techs:
Page 1: Madara has been using final form susanoo an ems tech but as he sees he's going to be hit he switchs to rinnegan

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Page 2:Madara uses Chibaku Tensei to create giant meteor or atleast pull them in clearly same tech kishi is getting lazy with saying jutsu name aka he spams "sharingan genjutsu"

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Page 3: 5 kage fight madara's wood clones with susanoo all using susanoo.... and madara uses a sharingan gen on the raikage WITH THE EMS:

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Page 4: Madara awakens perfect susanoo with the rinnegan activated:

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Also if rinnegan is the final evolution of the sharingan IT IS TECHINQUELY A SHARINGAN so saying well its and ems tech seriously just doesnt work. Why would the would clones be using ems if they could just have rinnegan open to use those techs and original madara is just standing there with rinnegan activated?

I'm thinking that way too, Perfect Susano'o needs Rinnegan. But There is still some doubts. Like that :

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He's in EMS version of Susano'o while he's using Rinnegan Jutsu. So i'm trying to say He can able to use Ems tech(susano'o) when he's using his rinnegan.Simple example,with MS you can still able to use regular Sharingan genjitsu Because of MS> Sharingan. Rinnegan > EMS, why Madara could not use EMS tech when he's using rinnegan?

 

[The Necromancer]

Madara didn't have the rinnegan when fighting hashirama, so why would tsunade question if he faught against that susano'o, and why would madara know that hashirama could still beat him...? I believe it's just an EMS technique. Also he uses every other form of his susano'o using the rinnegan, so IF the "perfect" susano'o is a rinnegan tech, then all other forms are as well.

 

[-Madara Uchiha-]

I agree

 

[Super Kami Guru]

I'm thinking that way too, Perfect Susano'o needs Rinnegan. But There is still some doubts. Like that :

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He's in EMS version of Susano'o while he's using Rinnegan Jutsu. So i'm trying to say He can able to use Ems tech(susano'o) when he's using his rinnegan.Simple example,with MS you can still able to use regular Sharingan genjitsu Because of MS> Sharingan. Rinnegan > EMS, why Madara could not use EMS tech when he's using rinnegan?

No i agree with that there are holes it's a theory kishi hasnt released anything stating what is 100% right but people just say no it doesnt and provide no proof theres difference between having a debate and being dumb. I did notice that he had that tech up when rinnegan was active and used an ems susanoo but that doesnt explain the proof i have provided also

 

[Super Kami Guru]

Madara didn't have the rinnegan when fighting hashirama, so why would tsunade question if he faught against that susano'o, and why would madara know that hashirama could still beat him...? I believe it's just an EMS technique.

because kishi seriously hasnt shown anything other the a pic with madara on the nine-tails and ems with hash with a forest and scroll with weapons. We know that he didn't have the rinnegan in that fight beccause like i said in first link madara awakened his rinnegan shortly before dying.... also he didnt have the 1st dna in that fight. Madara says that the 1st is the only one who can stop him because he is the ONLY ONE WHO HAS EVER STOPPED HIM

 

[kickassjutsu]

took the words right out of my mouth, good point.

 

[TrollingSage]

I know this thread has been made thousands of times in the last two weeks but im sick of people ignoring facts. The rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan as state by kabuto here and next page madara proves it true:

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Also for those who say well madara is just using rinnegan but it's an ems tech and narutopedia says so i will now post parts of the manga from madara fighting clearly show him switching between different eyes to use different techs:
Page 1: Madara has been using final form susanoo an ems tech but as he sees he's going to be hit he switchs to rinnegan

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Page 2:Madara uses Chibaku Tensei to create giant meteor or atleast pull them in clearly same tech kishi is getting lazy with saying jutsu name aka he spams "sharingan genjutsu"

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Page 3: 5 kage fight madara's wood clones with susanoo all using susanoo.... and madara uses a sharingan gen on the raikage WITH THE EMS:

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Page 4: Madara awakens perfect susanoo with the rinnegan activated:

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Also if rinnegan is the final evolution of the sharingan IT IS TECHINQUELY A SHARINGAN so saying well its and ems tech seriously just doesnt work. Why would the wood clones be using ems if they could just have rinnegan open to use those techs and original madara is just standing there with rinnegan activated?

Oh dear God. Not this nonsense again . Madara has already said in plain simple
English that he had PS when he fought Oonoki. He was still a Konoha ninja at that time so its obviously before he awoke the rinnegan.

 

[Super Kami Guru]

Oh dear God. Not this nonsense again . Madara has already said in plain simple
English that he had PS when he fought Oonoki. He was still a Konoha ninja at that time so its obviously before he awoke the rinnegan.

im assuming you are talking about the flash back and this page of the manga...

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no where is it perfect susanoo mentioned at all in either flashback or there tsuchikage states why did you go easy on me not why didnt you utterly destroy me with the incarnation of destruction

 

[MorphyRulez]

No i agree with that there are holes it's a theory kishi hasnt released anything stating what is 100% right but people just say no it doesnt and provide no proof theres difference between having a debate and being dumb. I did notice that he had that tech up when rinnegan was active and used an ems susanoo but that doesnt explain the proof i have provided also

I know this feeling^^ nowadays these people are more in NB
And Another thing is Tsunade's reaction but maybe it's spoiler from kishi or just a poor woman's cries. " My grandfather fought with this ? " There are too many questions. When Kishi reveals Hashirama Vs Madara, everything will be more truthful.

 

[Drakengard]

I know this thread has been made thousands of times in the last two weeks but im sick of people ignoring facts. The rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan as state by kabuto here and next page madara proves it true:

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Also for those who say well madara is just using rinnegan but it's an ems tech and narutopedia says so i will now post parts of the manga from madara fighting clearly show him switching between different eyes to use different techs:
Page 1: Madara has been using final form susanoo an ems tech but as he sees he's going to be hit he switchs to rinnegan

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Page 2:Madara uses Chibaku Tensei to create giant meteor or atleast pull them in clearly same tech kishi is getting lazy with saying jutsu name aka he spams "sharingan genjutsu"

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Page 3: 5 kage fight madara's wood clones with susanoo all using susanoo.... and madara uses a sharingan gen on the raikage WITH THE EMS:

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Page 4: Madara awakens perfect susanoo with the rinnegan activated:

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Also if rinnegan is the final evolution of the sharingan IT IS TECHINQUELY A SHARINGAN so saying well its and ems tech seriously just doesnt work. Why would the wood clones be using ems if they could just have rinnegan open to use those techs and original madara is just standing there with rinnegan activated?

The counter-argument is that he can use all the MS techniques w/o needing to revert back to from Rinnegan. You did by using the panels with Madara using the EMS on A, but wasn't that just a clone? You can see here that the real Madara is outside of Susano'o when that occurs (plus the real one is shown with the Rinnegan).

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Character statements make it more likely, for me at least, that EMS Madara could use it. There might be something I'm missing though..

 

[natssuu]

With common sense you can come up with a conclusion that Madara had the perfect Susano'o before he fought Hashirama, which means that he didn't have rinnegans nor Hashirama's cells then.

 

[TrollingSage]

im assuming you are talking about the flash back and this page of the manga...

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no where is it perfect susanoo mentioned at all in either flashback or there tsuchikage states why did you go easy on me not why didnt you utterly destroy me with the incarnation of destruction

Context buddy. Context!
Madara uses susano. Oonoki says nothing. He uses PS. Oonoki asks why he went easy on him that time. He's in effect asking why Madara didnt use PS that time. and Madara replies "what kind of adult would fight seriously against a child". Meaning he doesnt consider Oonoki an opponent worthy of fighting against PS.

 

[arv993]

Context buddy. Context!
Madara uses susano. Oonoki says nothing. He uses PS. Oonoki asks why he went easy on him that time. He's in effect asking why Madara didnt use PS that time. and Madara replies "what kind of adult would fight seriously against a child". Meaning he doesnt consider Oonoki an opponent worthy of fighting against PS.

This its so painfully obvious on that page. he even looks at the ps and says this is his true power and then realizes madara was toying with him

 

[Super Kami Guru]

With common sense you can come up with a conclusion that Madara had the perfect Susano'o before he fought Hashirama, which means that he didn't have rinnegans nor Hashirama's cells then.

whats common sense please explain? like i said he didnt have firsts dna aka or rinnegan and how can you just conclude he had it? cause in the one picture we've seen of the fight he has ems and kyuubi nothing else soo by common sense youre wrong

Context buddy. Context!
Madara uses susano. Oonoki says nothing. He uses PS. Oonoki asks why he went easy on him that time. He's in effect asking why Madara didnt use PS that time. and Madara replies "what kind of adult would fight seriously against a child". Meaning he doesnt consider Oonoki an opponent worthy of fighting against PS.

I mean that reading really deep i could see that and agree but also they never really fought in the situation madara just kicked his ass without really using any jutsu to just say why didnt you kick my ass before to insinuate hey why didnt you use your strongest attack on me before is kinda a jump(still assuming he even had PS than)

 

[Super Kami Guru]

This its so painfully obvious on that page. he even looks at the ps and says this is his true power and then realizes madara was toying with him

yes painfully obvious that oonoki wasnt even close to his level. So why does madara showing that oonoki wasnt near his level state he had ps at the time? thats kinda jumping to drastic conclussions. See what if by seeing the ps oonoki is realizing that he's never had a chance against madara not in the past and certainly not now?

 

[teetooktier]

I disagree for several reasons.

Firstly, if PS is not an EMS tech, then Sasuke stands no chance against Naruto.

On a more serious note, several quotes make me believe that Madara was capable of PS before his death.

Madara says he will show them 'the full power of Uchiha Madara.'

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If he said 'my full power', then I'd agree PS needs rinnegan. But he's referring to the legend here, and that legend was established when Madara was still alive. In other words, he's about to show them why he was famous.

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Not as important, but the stabilizing thing shows that Madara is fully aware of what is the maximum power of the tech he's using. This makes me think that he's used it before.

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'Did my grandfather really fight against this?' Frankly this quote could go either way, but I'll include it anyways. Should be self explanatory.

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Multiple quotes from this page.
1. 'If I'm the only one here the extent to which the maps will need to be redrawn won't be too drastic.' Clearly, Madara has fought Hashirama in map-changing battles before. However, he hasn't demonstrated any EMS techs capable of this - except PS.

2. 'This is Uchiha Madara's strength.' Same reasoning as for 'the full power of Uchiha Madara.'

3. 'Then why at that time...What kind of adult...' Onoki directly asks why Madara didn't use PS when they fought. Madara doesn't say, 'because I didn't have the Rinnegan.' Madara has been quite honest for the time we've known him. He gives praise where it's due, to Hashirama and to the 5 kage. He acknowledges that he was beaten by Hashirama repeatedly. It doesn't seem in character for him to lie in order to make others believe him to be more powerful than he is. This is probably the strongest evidence I have.

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'One slash of it's sword...only the bijuu...' These are oddly specific claims for someone who ostensibly has never used this tech before.

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'Gave birth to a completely new Doujutsu.' Madara has not yet demonstrated any completely new eye techniques. Itachi and Sasuke have done everything Madara has, except PS.