Put away Samehada and kisame is the weakest in Akatsuki and even among the 7swordsmen

[Bogard]

Samehada is obviously Kisame's great weapon. In every fights were he was involved, Samehada save his ass very often.
- Samehada is the one who give him chakra and regenerate him when he gets his ass kicked.
- The reason why he has a chakra compared to a tailed beast is again thanks to Samehada.
- Bee kicked his ass easily more than 2times, but again Samehada was there to save him.
- If he's not fighting near a water source, he is finished cuz all his jutsus needs water.
- Sure he can create water though, but by doing that it doesn't only advantage him, but also his opponent especially in the case if his opponent is a suiton user too
- Without Samehada he can't fight under water for too long since he couldn't breath. It's Samehada who gives him this advantage when he fused with his weapon
- He only has one affinity and water never kills. His most powerful offensiv jutsu is avoidable

So i think that without Samehada, all 7swordsmen could beat him

Kisame is really lucky to have Samehada. Even konohamaru could be strong with this weapon

 

[KAGE RYUU]

1. all the seven swordsman are nothing without their swords
2. all samahada does for kisame is replenish his chakra not give him more then he has so he has massive chakra with our without it
3. he is the second best water style user in the naruto verse 2nd only to the 2nd hokage

he trained all his fighting styles to samahada if he never had it he would have learned other jutsu to fit his fighting style if you take away anyones best thing they would be weak

1, take away narut shadow clone....
2. take away sasuke sharingan
3. take away minatos ftg etc all become weak in an instant

 

[Super Kami Guru]

welp.... kinda wrong... he wanted to get captured and his mission was recon not to kill or capture bee.... two he has exceptional mastery of suiton..... He killed fuguki the owner of samehada without any sword. He can make his own water source cause he's a master of suiton. By being able to do half those suiton techs he need a shit ton of chakra, but what made him deadly was he could keep replenishing this large pool of chakra is samehada

 

[Bogard]

1. all the seven swordsman are nothing without their swords
2. all samahada does for kisame is replenish his chakra not give him more then he has so he has massive chakra with our without it
3. he is the second best water style user in the naruto verse 2nd only to the 2nd hokage

he trained all his fighting styles to samahada if he never had it he would have learned other jutsu to fit his fighting style if you take away anyones best thing they would be weak

The problem is that Kisame already had a long life before having Samehada, and it's what you forget. He only got Samehada when he was about to join Akatsuki. So i don't think he would have learned other jutsu if during almost all his life he couldn't

 

[Pavoneo]

Erghh. There's a reason Kisame was able to kill his master who had Samehada at the time.
Kisame can absorb chakra regardless of having Samehada or not. Sure it may not be on such a large scale like Samehada, but he has the ability to do so.
Obviously without his SWORD he would be the weakest SWORDSMEN.. >.>
Kisame has great ninjutsu and brute strength to back him up.
Just stop .-.

 

[Draegod]

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nuff said...

 

[Bogard]

welp.... kinda wrong... he wanted to get captured and his mission was recon not to kill or capture bee.... two he has exceptional mastery of suiton..... He killed fuguki the owner of samehada without any sword. He can make his own water source cause he's a master of suiton. By being able to do half those suiton techs he need a shit ton of chakra, but what made him deadly was he could keep replenishing this large pool of chakra is samehada

He only killed fuguki by surprised. Madara says that

 

[Pavoneo]

He only killed fuguki by surprised. Madara says that

Okay, that's one thing. Now please, counter the other two.
Kisame can also make huge bodies of water by using the atmosphere, like he made that giant water dome during his fight with Bee.
Kisame has great Ninjutsu capabilities that you're not putting into consideration.

Obviously with a power-up, someone gets stronger. That's like saying Sasori's weak without his puppets. It's part of their fighting style as it is, taking it away would change a lot of things.

 

[natssuu]

Why would you exclude his sword that he owned for multiple years?

 

[Bogard]

Okay, that's one thing. Now please, counter the other two.
Kisame can also make huge bodies of water by using the atmosphere, like he made that giant water dome during his fight with Bee.
Kisame has great Ninjutsu capabilities that you're not putting into consideration.

Obviously with a power-up, someone gets stronger. That's like saying Sasori's weak without his puppets. It's part of their fighting style as it is, taking it away would change a lot of things.

Make huge bodies of water? What are you talking about here? I don't really understand sorry:shrug:
For the giant water dome you're talking about, he was only capable to do that coz he had absorbed a great quantity of Killer-Bee's chakra thanks to Samehada, yes again Samehada

Also Sasori is a different case. He specialised himself in puppets since he was a child. It's different from Kisame who only got Samehada when he was about to join akatsuki. What would have happen if Kisame wasn't capable to have that? Before that he was a simple jounin. He must have worked hard, but in other domains. He only got Samehada with luck if we want to analyse it.

Take an exemple. You are a ninja who specialised yourself in suiton jutsus during all you life. And then at the bottom of your life, someone gives you a weapon that help to absorb chakra. It's what happened to Kisame, but he could not know that before

 

[yuan of cruxis]

No
Kisame still could beat Hidan, Konan, Zetsu and most likely Deidara

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Considering his jutsu he could destroy the 7 swordsman

Zabuza would give him a tough battle and possibly the only one capable of winning

 

[Pavoneo]

Make huge bodies of water? What are you talking about here? I don't really understand sorry:shrug:
For the giant water dome you're talking about, he was only capable to do that coz he had absorbed a great quantity of Killer-Bee's chakra thanks to Samehada, yes again Samehada

Also Sasori is a different case. He specialised himself in puppets since he was a child. It's different from Kisame who only got Samehada when he was about to join akatsuki. What would have happen if Kisame wasn't capable to have that? Before that he was a simple jounin. He must have worked hard, but in other domains. He only got Samehada with luck if we want to analyse it.

From full health and stamina, Kisame is capable of making a giant water dome. How many people can/could do that? 2? Maybe 3? That's all I could think of.
Ok, if you get a power up, you're going to use it. For example, executioners blade, Kamui, Susano'o, the list goes on.
We don't know Kisames abilities before he got Samehada, all we could do is speculate about it.
Kisame had the mindset of a true shinobi, and there's no denying that. He was loyal and was dependable. Why do you think Fuguki decided to hire Kisame at the time? Because he was the BEST available option at the time. And at no point did Fuguki throw him away because someone better came along. So we could assume that Kisame was a highly skilled shinobi even before obtaining Samehada. At least, that's how i see it.

 

[Martano]

Did you not see the shark bomb jutsu he used against guy? That was without the blade, he would have wiped out alot of characters with that attack. Unfortunately for him he came up against the one shinobi who is well equipped to deal with such attacks.

 

[MorphyRulez]

Why are you doing this? It's like, Minato is weakest hokege without FTG. Kisame's all attacks work with samehada, if you got sword like this, what would you do? -This sword is great but i need to learn some another jutsu for Fans. He's an expert in his class. About Chakra reserve, He has insane chakra level according to Pein, Samehade is not providing him to extra chakra (maybe when they fuse but) when he wields normal, samehada gives him good regen. Another thing is obviously if attack based on a chakra, his great shark missle tech. is unbeatable. And he doesn't need samehada for this jutsu.

 

[dbzfreak]

Dude Kisame is a boss, with or without Samehada. Yes the sword is strong but he still kicks a-- without it.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Take away Itachi's Sharingan and what is he? Take away Nagato's Rinnegan then what will be left of him? Take away Rikudo Sennin's live and what will he be?

 

[YourMom]

Samehada is obviously Kisame's great weapon. In every fights were he was involved, Samehada save his ass very often.
- Samehada is the one who give him chakra and regenerate him when he gets his ass kicked.
- The reason why he has a chakra compared to a tailed beast is again thanks to Samehada.
- Bee kicked his ass easily more than 2times, but again Samehada was there to save him.
- If he's not fighting near a water source, he is finished cuz all his jutsus needs water.
- Sure he can create water though, but by doing that it doesn't only advantage him, but also his opponent especially in the case if his opponent is a suiton user too
- Without Samehada he can't fight under water for too long since he couldn't breath. It's Samehada who gives him this advantage when he fused with his weapon
- He only has one affinity and water never kills. His most powerful offensiv jutsu is avoidable

So i think that without Samehada, all 7swordsmen could beat him

Kisame is really lucky to have Samehada. Even konohamaru could be strong with this weapon

1.) take anyone's weapon away from them they'd be at a disadvantage, but that's not the case with Kisame.

2.) Kisame can absorb chakra from anything I do believe.

3.) Kisame lost one fight that I recall and that was to gai, but only because gais attacks weren't powered by chakra.

4.) He has large chakra reserves even without samehada

5.) if he lost to be why would you be surprised? Bee is a perfect jinjurichi

6.) you can make this argument for any water style user, but even with Kisame he doesn't. We'd to be by a large water source to be effective. Water Release: Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave he can produce enough water with this lol.

7.) I don't see how creating his own water would be an advantage to his opponent

8.) He has gills. Enough said

9.) He can also use earth techniques

10.) take ansysword away from one of the seven swordsmen and theyd be weaker, this is clearly not the case with Kisame because he was able to kill Fuguki and take samehada from him to become a member of the 7 swordsmen.

 

[YourMom]

Why are you doing this? It's like, Minato is weakest hokege without FTG. Kisame's all attacks work with samehada, if you got sword like this, what would you do? -This sword is great but i need to learn some another jutsu for Fans. He's an expert in his class. About Chakra reserve, He has insane chakra level according to Pein, Samehade is not providing him to extra chakra (maybe when they fuse but) when he wields normal, samehada gives him good regen. Another thing is obviously if attack based on a chakra, his great shark missle tech. is unbeatable. And he doesn't need samehada for this jutsu.

lmao that made me lol

 

[Blaze Release]

Take away a ninja's main weapon, a weapon that their fighting style has been stipulated around and their power levels will decrease, its common sense.

Take away the fox and naruto's power levels will decrease
Take away ftg from minato has his strength will decrease
Take away sm from jiraiya and his strength will decrease
Take away the sharingan from itachi and his strength will decrease


What exactly is this thread trying to tell us that nobody knows already