Hashi > Edo Madara ?

[Enton]

What about madara's opinion?

Its databook that says it (Iruka or Kabuto cant be legit source as they never saw either madara or hashi) that also states amaterasu is as hot as the sun and if it were raikage wld have been crying like a baby, The samurai's armour wld have melted instantly, bee wld have been turned to ash in a few seconds.

Oh, of course, because Madara saw Prime Hiruzen & grown up Nagato etc

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Oh, of course, because Madara saw Prime Hiruzen & grown up Nagato etc

Madara was alive when Nagato was a kid, that time should be about when Hiruzen was in his prime so Madara should know plenty about him.
Let's not turn this into a Hiruzen Hashirama thread though

 

[Anorien16]

Half of what Edo Madara has done aren't even his techniques or couldn't be used (Immortality, Meteors, Mokuton, ...)

Hashirama DNA isn't even for sure if he got it, Kabuto asked if it was true and Madara didn't answer, and even if he got Hashirama DNA it was a small portion, the Hashirama face is the reason why his techniques are enhanced and why he can do Mokuton.
If you take all those things away (Immortality, Mokuton, Meteors, ...) then you have the real Madara, and the real Madara is weaker then Hashirama no matter what way you look at it.

Also think that, a few of hashi cells cld give so much powers, then what wld be the power of a body full of ORINGINAL hashi cells?
Plus do u remember the scrolls of seals had many secrets that Hashi saw and knew. So hashi's arsenal must have been huge (See:

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) and most of them forbidden to normal humans too.

 

[Anorien16]

Oh, of course, because Madara saw Prime Hiruzen & grown up Nagato etc

Ok tell me this: Madara knew both hizune prime and nagato, then wldnt he say 'Hashi is the only one who can defeat me unless u count Hizune'?

The problem is u guys dont understand that, Kishi initially meant to make Hizu the strongest but changed his mind later. This is a difficult concept for most but it is called a 'change of plan'

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Edo madara>edo hashi

quit being a fanboy

sometimes its good to say what you have seen from the manga

and Madara said that the only one who can face him is Hashi and either he said that just bcoz he thinks Hashi is a respectable rival or he really knows that Hashi can stop him

 

[arv993]

Half of what Edo Madara has done aren't even his techniques or couldn't be used (Immortality, Meteors, Mokuton, ...)

Hashirama DNA isn't even for sure if he got it, Kabuto asked if it was true and Madara didn't answer, and even if he got Hashirama DNA it was a small portion, the Hashirama face is the reason why his techniques are enhanced and why he can do Mokuton.
If you take all those things away (Immortality, Mokuton, Meteors, ...) then you have the real Madara, and the real Madara is weaker then Hashirama no matter what way you look at it.

Its what tobi also said its pretty much a given that he got hashi's dna. Meteors isnt madara's tech are u not reading the manga. He did not disagree to kabuto's claims

madara clearly says the meteor is his own power, he uses it from his rinnegan similar to how nagato used that same tech on a smaller scale. its his power as he clearly says it here

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Immortality is something he gains from edo like everyone else its gonna be there whether he likes it or not. so that is such a bs point you're trying pull its the same with mu and every other edo. and it didnt matter for the most part he would obviously battle differently ad be more serious if he didnt have it.

Mokuton is actually something he completely did get from kabuto and its a great power but not most of his power by any means.

He has the rinnegan+ ems + he is enhanced by hashi's dna but obviously cant use mokuton. Which is in itself a great power and only tobi so far can beat that and that is from his also "borrowed" powers.

he can still use paths like preta and deva path powers and more with the rinnegan, still has perfect sussano which is incredibly strong and the rest of his ems abilities which is the majority of his arsenal not just mokuton. So ur claim is utterly stupid since most of his powers are actually his own but no doubt mokuton made him considerably stronger but even without it he can do the same to kages as he is doing now

Stop trying to underrate madara even without mokuton he can own almost any ninja and you're clearly trying to take away powers even from the rinnegan such as his meteors its clear as day you're hating and trying to make him seem a lot weaker than he is

 

[Prime Rib]

no but he would be the best one to almost stop him

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Its what tobi also said its pretty much a given that he got hashi's dna. Meteors isnt madara's tech are u not reading the manga. He did not disagree to kabuto's claims

madara clearly says the meteor is his own power, he uses it from his rinnegan similar to how nagato used that same tech on a smaller scale. its his power as he clearly says it here

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Immortality is something he gains from edo like everyone else its gonna be there whether he likes it or not. so that is such a bs point you're trying pull its the same with mu and every other edo. and it didnt matter for the most part he would obviously battle differently ad be more serious if he didnt have it.

Mokuton is actually something he completely did get from kabuto and its a great power but not most of his power by any means.

He has the rinnegan+ ems + he is enhanced by hashi's dna but obviously cant use mokuton. Which is in itself a great power and only tobi so far can beat that and that is from his also "borrowed" powers.

he can still use paths like preta and deva path powers and more with the rinnegan, still has perfect sussano which is incredibly strong and the rest of his ems abilities which is the majority of his arsenal not just mokuton. So ur claim is utterly stupid since most of his powers are actually his own but no doubt mokuton made him considerably stronger but even without it he can do the same to kages as he is doing now

Stop trying to underrate madara even without mokuton he can own almost any ninja and you're clearly trying to take away powers even from the rinnegan such as his meteors its clear as day you're hating and trying to make him seem a lot weaker than he is

Half what ur saying is bullshit, you just said it yourself, Immortality is something you gain from Edo Tensei and Madara can't do anything about it meaning it's not Madara's power.
Second thing, can you please tell me how Madara will survive the meteors if he is alive?

Naruto Bijuu Mode vs Edo Asuma, who will win?
By your answer I can confirm whether you have a brain or not

 

[LolaxXx]

EDO Madara said the only one who can stop him is Hashirama. EDO Madara said that meaning, even though he has these new powers, he still knows that only hashirama can stop him. Nobody else is like, "Only if hiruzen was here."

 

[arv993]

Half what ur saying is bullshit, you just said it yourself, Immortality is something you gain from Edo Tensei and Madara can't do anything about it meaning it's not Madara's power.
Second thing, can you please tell me how Madara will survive the meteors if he is alive?

Naruto Bijuu Mode vs Edo Asuma, who will win?
By your answer I can confirm whether you have a brain or not

ok i am the one who is saying bs when u change facts and say madara is a hell of a lot weaker and majority of his powers come from kabuto makes me really laugh at that.

Let me review some of the bs u pulled out of nowhere and correct u once more
Majority of madara's powers come from oro- proven wrong only mokuton came from him and thats not most or half his power as rinnegan and ems he already has is majority of his arsenal and can kill the kages with it.

and are u trying to disagree with kabuto who said he gained some of hashi's powers he was the one who gave him mokuton so he probably knows. And its further supported by tobi. and madara never disagreed wit him on that either

and there is a good chance meteors can be used with his perfect sussano

It clearly shows you're trying to skew facts to bring down a character u simply dont like

there is almost no ninja except tobi who can beat madara even without mokuton or edo tensei

when the hell did i say immortality is his power but does it really matter if he didnt have it, he just has to fight differently than if he does as an immortal and not play around as much.

First of all the meteors might be used with his perfect sussano since its defensive capabilities probably increased and he is out of its impact since the sussano itself is taller than the meteor.

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its still subject to debate but possible

Or he can do what nagato did and use a smaller version that doesnt kill him

The answer to ur question is asuma due to the fact that naruto has no sealing jutsus. But what is ur point, if ur trying to say madara is much weaker without edo ur wrong because madara can just try harder from the beginning and the kages will be in the same situation as they are in now just by using his perfect sussano and rinnegan abilities. Stop trying underrate madara with skewed facts

 

[Djokovic]

EMS Madara fought on par with Hashirama. There is no way Hashi beats EMS Madara with Rinnegan, Hashi's Dna and Mokuton.

 

[obscoral]

EMS Madara fought on par with Hashirama. There is no way Hashi beats EMS Madara with Rinnegan, Hashi's Dna and Mokuton.

hear, hear

 

[SharinganNightmare]

EMS Madara fought on par with Hashirama. There is no way Hashi beats EMS Madara with Rinnegan, Hashi's Dna and Mokuton.

QFT. I would STILL like to remention though that Hashirama was a master of Kinjutsu as well (Most likely) and it would be his KINJUTSU that would turn the tide of the fight with Edo Madara. (IF that would even BE possible)

 

[themalaysia2222]

EDO Madara said the only one who can stop him is Hashirama. EDO Madara said that meaning, even though he has these new powers, he still knows that only hashirama can stop him.

This.