Non-Edo Madara > Muu & Oonoki... WITHOUT Susano'o... WTF?!?

[MilwaukeegHost]

I would like to say that as of recently, I have realized a newfound respect for Muu. This is after I was able to see all of his abilities while he was alive:


Chakra Sensor
Invisibility
Splitting technique
Ability to completely mask his own chakra
Ability to Fly
Jinton Kekkei Tota
Earth, Wind and Fire Release (Dust Release)
SO MUCH MORE


...... we all thought that Oonoki was a Bad@$$ because he is also able to do MOST of these abilities. They BOTH have the Stone Will (simular to Will of Fire, adds more inner strength), Kekkei Tota's, experience of fighting together and knowledge of how to use eachothers strengths in battle. So to my point.


Reading this weeks manga made me realize something. During Oonoki's flashback, when he originally fought against Madara while he was alive, I saw that Muu was there with him. I didn't see Muu during the first flashback of that fight (See "STONE WILL" Manga 575) but during this week's flashback it DID show Muu. And he was laid out on his @$$ next to Oonoki lol. So to my final point.


Kishi, so your trying to tell me that Madara (before the hashirama final fight) beat both Muu AND Oonoki at the same time... Solo... without Susano'o?!? Its obvious that Madara didn't use Susano'o while he fought against them, Oonoki said so himself. Also let me remind you...


1) This Madara did NOT have Hashi's Cells
(Note: No Mokuton, flower world, healing, Multi-clones, etc) and
2) Did NOT use Susano'o and
3) "Possibly" didn't have the Rinnegan and
4) Did NOT use Karuma and
5) Appears to have fought them Solo, appearing untouched?!?



Troll-Master Kishi seems to be alive and in Full-Effect ya'll. Anyone disagree?










-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

 

[Madara mhm]

madara is just a complete full package of what we call "Tank" XD

 

[Enton]

He couldn't go all out for FEAR he would start a war with Konoha. Believe it. EMS is still superior to him though.

 

[-Logic-]

Either way they both feared him.

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[Mizukata]

Even without those things Madara with ems is a powerfull foe...

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

I noticed that as well and lol'd. You know there are going to be people saying that it is impossible even with manga evidence. Kishi is trying to show people that Madara was insanely strong even without Hashi's cells and Rinnegan. The signs are all there but people don't pick it up. Like how Madara said that the landscape won't change much with just him, implying that he could use his giant perfect Susanoo in his fight with Hashi.

 

[TheSages456]

that really makes me wonder what his other 2 ms techs are. on the other hand he probably just owned them with katons.

 

[wridacule]

maybe he got them with genjustsu

 

[hatakii kakashii]

he s madara after all

 

[Blaze Release]

Calm down, from the latest chapter it only speaks of onoki

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Even without those things Madara with ems is a powerfull foe...

Thats just not good enough. I know he is a powerful foe. But Oonoki has been literally able to withstand the might of Edo Madara WITH Hashi's cells almost by himself. He has saved everyone's @$$ on multiple occations and with Muu by his side, they should have been damn near unstoppable. Atleast not SOLO'd by Madara who hardly looks touched in the flashback. EMS abilities have yet to be shown so we can't simply blame it on the EMS, so far it just shows the ability to Spam MS. Edo Madara has yet to kill a 100 year old Ooonoki but he beat both Tsuchikage's in their prime? WTF man. Too much for me to believe.





-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

 

[NaruGokuPWNS]

This doesn't mean to say Muu and onooki were weak (Obviously, there OP and insanely, unimaginably powerful guys), but Madara was just TOO STRONG.

 

[OWanime]

nope I'm pretty sure he only fought onoki and then muu came to support his student because he said he didn't go all out against a child and muu is a grown man so muu had to have come after and then stopped the fight before it got out of hand. If muu was serious madara would have had to use susanoo because no rinnegan = no preta path xd

 

[Blaze Release]

People have to take a step back then type.
Lets assume that he defeated both. We have no idea whether at that time onoki or mu even were as strong as they are now. No where does it state that mu or onoki both had jinton at that time for madara to defeat both without susano especially after what we have seen of jinton and what it can do to susano, let alone somebody without the protection of it

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Calm down, from the latest chapter it only speaks of onoki

It shows Muu sitting next to him and Oonoki said "us" not "me".

Thats just not good enough. I know he is a powerful foe. But Oonoki has been literally able to withstand the might of Edo Madara WITH Hashi's cells almost by himself. He has saved everyone's @$$ on multiple occations and with Muu by his side, they should have been damn near unstoppable. Atleast not SOLO'd by Madara who hardly looks touched in the flashback. EMS abilities have yet to be shown so we can't simply blame it on the EMS, so far it just shows the ability to Spam MS. Edo Madara has yet to kill a 100 year old Ooonoki but he beat both Tsuchikage's in their prime? WTF man. Too much for me to believe.

-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

That is what the manga showed. Remember that Madara has been toying with them

 

[Bogard]

Nothing shows he defeated them both. Onoki was always talking as if he fought Madara alone. Also, don't forget how old he was. He was about 10 or a little bit more. It would have be funny if Madara wasn't able to beat a child who only has 10years old xd

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

People have to take a step back then type.
Lets assume that he defeated both. We have no idea whether at that time onoki or mu even were as strong as they are now. No where does it state that mu or onoki both had jinton at that time for madara to defeat both without susano especially after what we have seen of jinton and what it can do to susano, let alone somebody without the protection of it

LOOK AT THE BOLD

Maybe you need to step back too before you type too LOL. Your first post says it was only Oonoki but obviously Muu is LAYING ON THE GROUND ON HIS @$$ NEXT TO HIM.



Yes, lets assume he defeated them both. They are both sitting on their @$$ together on the ground. Ooonoki says that he lost this fight, and that Madara even went "easy" on him. You dont want to give two shinobi that became Kage the assumption of their powers but we give the assumption to Madara...? Plus the fact that he beat them BOTH AND WENT "EASY" ON THEM?!? We dont know what all powers they truly had at that time true, but we do know what Madara DIDNT have. As far as I know, I do believe that shinobi with Kekkei Genkei are BORN with it, am i not correct???

May I also note that Muu (at his current state with ALL his jutsu) still looked shocked and somewhat in awe when Madara was brought back to life. Almost like he was scared of him. I just dont understand how this is to be true at his current strength, for him to see ALL the Kage revived but only have that reaction to Madara's Edo.






-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

 

[Retsu]

it's obvious that muu's invisibility doesn't work on Madara's EMS sharingan, maybe even the sharingan in general, and without invisibility, muu's just a weaker oonoki

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Lol what the hell is a Non-Edo Madara supposed to be? Isn't that just Madara?

 

[Raito]

Muu had the Jinton for sure when he faced Madara, after all he was Oonokis Sensei and taught him the Jinton. But further I don't think Muu fought Madara, he probably let his student Oonoki to try this. If Madara talk about the past, he mentions only Oonoki and the flashback shows that Oonoki got his ass kicked while Muu was standing besides.