[Discussion] 4 things that are labeled as wrong, but arent.

[Uchihahahaha]

You can't force yourself to be sexually attracted to something you're not. It's just not possible. So why do people hate on homosexuals when they can't help but be sexually attracted to another man? It's not something that's controllable. People try to "get the gay" out of them per say, does it ever work? No. If they think it did work, they're lying to you and themselves. Sexual desire is human nature, what you're sexually attracted to isn't up to you.

It is not hating on homosexuals. I never said that I hated them, because I do not.

 

[Prime Rib]

rofl That's definitely not true. It certainly is a current hot topic in America but that statement is not true seeing how thousands of kids get bullied and insulted for being a homosexual.

everyone gets bullied. its called life you move on simple as that, life is not a a apple pie, and never will be

 

[Prime Rib]

We live In a world of labels. Everything has a lable and everthing falls into a category. But who are we to contradict another human being, when we are all In the same "boat" living In this harsh reality?

1. Selfishness: This is a natural instinct. The opposite of selfishness, which is selflessness, is something that we must become aware of through instinct & knowledge & continiue to develope as an act or moral value. Therefore it is not instinct (natural). For example, When you are hungry. The first thought that appears In your head isnt "Is someone hungry?" or "I wonder how many people are hungry?" No. The first thought that appears In your head is "I am hungry" or "Man, I'm starving" Your concern for someone elses hunger such as "Are you hungry?" or "I'm starving, what about you?" comes secondary to your own desire, therfore it is not instinct. This is selfishness, on a small scale, but it is still selfishness. Being selfish is inevitable, because human beings are natrually selfish. How can instinct be labeled as wrong? It cant. I dont think it is selfishness itself that we are aware of, but rather the guilt of being selfish that bothers us.

2.A strong desire for lust (being a "pervert"):An extreamly strong *** drive, or strong desire for lust, is something that has been labeled by all areas of society. Religion,culture,gender, etc. It has been labeled from being called a sin, being "perverted" or "a pervert" etc,etc. Humans are natrually sexually oriented creatures. EVERY human being (Excluding children) has experieced a desire for lust in some kind of way. Weither it was a thought, a reaction, or an actual act of sexuality. However, there are some of us who have a stonger desire for this than other human beings. Those of us who have more than just "a stong *** drive" have been labeled for something that we natrually feel. We are either called a pervert, a wh***, etc. How is this wrong? Is there a limit on the amount of sexual desire that a human being can have before he or she falls into a category? You can measure,pounds & inches,etc. But you cannot measure the emotion or desire of another human being. Once again, I feel that guilt plays a huge role In people who are like this an feel ashamed. Why should you feel guilt from something that is human nature? Your human nature.

3.Homosexuality: This is also something that has been highly looked down upon. Here is something that most people dont realize about gays. Gays do not wake up one day and say "I think I want to be gay" or "From now own, I am gay". Is it possible that a scenario like this can occurr and one can put this into a form of practice? Yes, it is. But it would be false. We cannot change what we are attracted to at will. A straight man cannot wake up one day & say "Today I'm going to be attracted to men." because he is straight, if he does so other wise that would change his sexual preference. There are only two things 1.You must become AWARE that you are gay, 2.You must ACCEPT that you are gay. Gays are instinctively attracted to the same gender, attaction is a natural human instinct. When someone says "I think I'm gay" or "I might be turning gay" they are becoming aware of something that they have been all along. They just hadnt discovered it instictively or became aware of it. When someone finally admits that they are gay, they are accepting their sexual preference which is what they are attracted to. How the hell is it wrong to be natrually attacted to something? Does that make any sense at all? I dont think it does.

4.Being Fat (overweight):Being fat is also something that is becomming more looked down upon as we progress. There is something that we all have as human beings, and that is free will. WE are In controll of our bodies. If we choose to eat a certain way or look a certain way, we have every right to do so as human beings. Some people are fat because of genetics, some are fat because of disorders, and some just became fat of their own free will. But how is this neccesarily wrong? There is pleasure In taste, even those who just "eat to live, not live to eat" find some amount of pleasure (non-sexual ofc) from taste and the satisfaction of being full. The pleasure of taste, and the satisfaction of being full is a natrual instinct, is there a limit on the amount of satisfaction that we can feel from food? And then people always play the "health risk card". EVERYONE is at risk of health problems. An athelete is at risk of permanantly damaging their bodies, or possibly obtaining a lethal injury. Even those who just "work out to stay healty" are at risk of harming themselve. Also being skinny does not make you healty. Skinny people can develope eating disorders to stay skinny, skinny people are also at risk of heart disease and other health issues as fat people are. Just because we feel a certain way about how something should look, or looks, we do not have the right to pass judgement on that individual. We are ALL human beings. And we can look any damn way we please because that is our natrual given right.

What do you think about these things? What do YOU think is right & wrong? If so then WHY? Also if there is something else that is labeled as wrong, but you think is right,please feel free to bring it up U_U.

btw homosexuals are not born gay its called choice.

 

[eyerinnegan]

completely you wrong

 

[Uchihahahaha]

You really think you know what's best for a person? what can be better than their happiness?? please explain to me b/c I don't see your logic. You're pretty much putting your religious beliefs without meaning to. If it doesn't hurt you then why do you care? why go against them and vote that they shouldn't marry, why do you people care so much what gays do if ' You have nothing against them' is it just to keep society under control? and keep it 'normal' seriously.
I support homosexuality, I believe in Allah (Islamic religion) sure, I don't want to watch two men kiss because I'm not into that but I don't bash them or attack them, I just move along, live my life, support them and not let what I like or dislike be the judge of their rights as humans.
Btw, people will be gay, it doesn't matter if you support it or not. You don't choose it just like we didn't choose to be heterosexuals and love women. Do not base your beliefs in the bible and before speaking, try to do some research buddy, saying sorry and saying you don't want to offend people doesn't cut it.​

I was not attacking....I was just warning and trying to explain things with facts. Some things are not good for people.
To explain an example: A child might think their mom is mean because she will not let him do whatever he wants. The child does not want to buckle his seatbelt, but the mom says to buckle it because she wants him to be safe and not get injured. Or she might tell the child not to climb trees.
Like I said, someone being gay does not effect me.specifically. I was trying to explain how it effects the gay person and how it could effect countries. The thread maker wanted our opinions, and so I gave some things that I thought and I gave some facts. The reason some people might not understand, it because they might think it is bashing or attacking homosexuality, but this is not true. If I were going to bash it or attack it then I could have said mean things about them, but I did not want to do that because my goal is not to attack them. I wanted to give my views on it.

I found this on a website: "Given that there are people who state they are ex-homosexuals and given that the homosexual population has significantly higher rates of many diseases and the homosexual population also has significantly lower rates of various measures of mental health, it can be strongly argued that engaging in homosexual acts is a bad choice for individuals. Those who make this choice suffer significantly higher rates of domestic violence in homosexual couples. In addition, according to experts homosexual murders are relatively or quite common and often homosexual murders are very brutal. Also, the homosexual population has a greater propensity to engage in illegal drug use."

 

['Toxic]

I found this on a website: "Given that there are people who state they are ex-homosexuals and given that the homosexual population has significantly higher rates of many diseases and the homosexual population also has significantly lower rates of various measures of mental health, it can be strongly argued that engaging in homosexual acts is a bad choice for individuals. Those who make this choice suffer significantly higher rates of domestic violence in homosexual couples. In addition, according to experts homosexual murders are relatively or quite common and often homosexual murders are very brutal. Also, the homosexual population has a greater propensity to engage in illegal drug use."

I never said you were, being gay isn't a choice. Do you really believe everything you read? how stupid are you boy? and all that that I bold is pure cr*p, you think there facts? have you seen that? are you sure? my mom is gay, I have two moms, they have no disease, they don't use drugs or drink, there strict with us about rules. I do great in school and we have pretty good moral and ethical views. Oh, there also Catholics.
& yes, there right about murders because homophobics murder homosexuals just because they cant accept that society isn't all about being the same.

Homosexuality isn't a mental disease, wtf? where do you live? under a rock? if you to to ANY psychologist you will be told the same "Homosexuality isn't a mental disease"

Just shut up already, you sick me, you're so ignorant..it's stupid. Those ex homosexual are stupid because you can run but u cant hide who you are. You only see that side but there's stories of kids who are forced to "be straight" when there not and almost get killed their parents or get killed by their parents...and there not happy about it.

Just so you know, what you just copied and pasted are not facts, you haven't used any facts at all because if you really knew, you would have stated more. Homosexuals have different brain patters and also this development happen when the baby is the mother's womb so he/she cant control that.

Something wrong with you if you strongly believe all the BS homophobes say and what the internet say about homosexuality. Not even that bible you love so dearly is right.​

 

[Prime Rib]

I never said you were, being gay isn't a choice. Do you really believe everything you read? how stupid are you boy? and all that that I bold is pure cr*p, you think there facts? have you seen that? are you sure? my mom is gay, I have two moms, they have no disease, they don't use drugs or drink, there strict with us about rules. I do great in school and we have pretty good moral and ethical views. Oh, there also Catholics.
& yes, there right about murders because homophobics murder homosexuals just because they cant accept that society isn't all about being the same.

Homosexuality isn't a mental disease, wtf? where do you live? under a rock? if you to to ANY psychologist you will be told the same "Homosexuality isn't a mental disease"

Just shut up already, you sick me, you're so ignorant..it's stupid. Those ex homosexual are stupid because you can run but u cant hide who you are. You only see that side but there's stories of kids who are forced to "be straight" when there not and almost get killed their parents or get killed by their parents...and there not happy about it.

Just so you know, what you just copied and pasted are not facts, you haven't used any facts at all because if you really knew, you would have stated more. Homosexuals have different brain patters and also this development happen when the baby is the mother's womb so he/she cant control that.

Something wrong with you if you strongly believe all the BS homophobes say and what the internet say about homosexuality. Not even that bible you love so dearly is right.​

sorry but homo are hyprocrites. and yes its a choice

 

[MidKnight]

btw homosexuals are not born gay its called choice.

How the hell can you choose to be naturally attacted to something? You are not born knowing what you are attracted to, you must become aware instinctively what you are attracted to as time progresses. You obviously did not read #3 thoroughly. And plus I dont even know why Im even bothering, you have just been trolling this thread the whole time. Leaving Simple pointless comments like "Gays are lame" and stuff like that.

 

[Darthlawsuit]

How the hell can you choose to be naturally attacted to something? You are not born knowing what you are attracted to, you must become aware instinctively what you are attracted to as time progresses. You obviously did not read #3 thoroughly. And plus I dont even know why Im even bothering, you have just been trolling this thread the whole time. Leaving Simple pointless comments like "Gays are lame" and stuff like that.

People choose to be attracted to horses despite everything saying they shouldn't be, including biology. People in Japan are choosing marrying virtual women on video games, I don't even know how that would work . I can also choose not to be attracted to anything therefore I choose to be attracted to something if I desire.

 

[uzumakikenshin]

I was not attacking....I was just warning and trying to explain things with facts. Some things are not good for people.
To explain an example: A child might think their mom is mean because she will not let him do whatever he wants. The child does not want to buckle his seatbelt, but the mom says to buckle it because she wants him to be safe and not get injured. Or she might tell the child not to climb trees.
Like I said, someone being gay does not effect me.specifically. I was trying to explain how it effects the gay person and how it could effect countries. The thread maker wanted our opinions, and so I gave some things that I thought and I gave some facts. The reason some people might not understand, it because they might think it is bashing or attacking homosexuality, but this is not true. If I were going to bash it or attack it then I could have said mean things about them, but I did not want to do that because my goal is not to attack them. I wanted to give my views on it.

I found this on a website: "Given that there are people who state they are ex-homosexuals and given that the homosexual population has significantly higher rates of many diseases and the homosexual population also has significantly lower rates of various measures of mental health, it can be strongly argued that engaging in homosexual acts is a bad choice for individuals. Those who make this choice suffer significantly higher rates of domestic violence in homosexual couples. In addition, according to experts homosexual murders are relatively or quite common and often homosexual murders are very brutal. Also, the homosexual population has a greater propensity to engage in illegal drug use."

that's bullshit man!!!! Im studying psychology... though i wont say that i know everything there is... but come on before you post something be sure that you understand every word of it...be sure to do some research first... yes you might say that you are not bashing them but posting something without having a back-up research and a VALIDATED proof of that is really stupid... and please sometimes homo's are more dependable in the society nowadays from those sexes that you call normal....

heterosexuals and homosexuals are both suffering from domestic abuses,violence.... people who have evil minds doesn't care what your *** is.... and please it is still not known and validated how people become homosexuals...

do you think they choose to be a homo? no! they did not.. but because of how they are influenced with their surroundings, how they were brought up and how they were born, it's where everything started... it was never their choice...

BUT the only choice they can do is how they will deal with it... if they will live accepting the fact that they were homo, laying their cards to society for them to be ridiculed, judged and treated wrongly and hope that somehow some people will respect their choice... or they would try to hide themselves from what they really are, living the way on what is more acceptable to people... and that's also my reply to the poster below that i also quoted...

you always say that you are not affected by them but the way you post things here just confirmed that you are bothered by them... if you dont care about how they live their life then just move on...

sorry but homo are hyprocrites. and yes its a choice

some heterosexuals are more fitted to the word HYPOCRITES just like the way you are now... posting judgement carelessly...

 

[Uchihahahaha]

Oh no, but when I posted that stuff, I just found it, read it, copied it, posted it....... I wanted to know what anyone thought of it. Like I have mentioned before, I am not homosexual and don't know that much about the studies, research, etc.

 

[uzumakikenshin]

Oh no, but when I posted that stuff, I just found it, read it, copied it, posted it....... I wanted to know what anyone thought of it. Like I have mentioned before, I am not homosexual and don't know that much about the studies, research, etc.

And that’s what you call irresponsible posting… you copied and posted it here knowing that people would read it… and might influence other people right? Be sensitive enough before posting a very sensitive topic… you always plays safe on your tracks in this thread… what’s your motive on posting it? Just NA-DA? None?


yeah and good for you that you are not homosexual... at least you wouldn't know how hard it is to be one...

 

['Toxic]

sorry but homo are hyprocrites. and yes its a choice

People choose to be attracted to horses despite everything saying they shouldn't be, including biology. People in Japan are choosing marrying virtual women on video games, I don't even know how that would work . I can also choose not to be attracted to anything therefore I choose to be attracted to something if I desire.

Nuff said.​

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

4 6 pages later and midknight doesnt responds to me...

let me say this if you make a thread posting your opinions then you should be prepared for people to debate you on your opinions and be prepared for your opinions to be showned as being "wrong" for lack of better terms.

wtf you were avoiding even answering my questions then you avioded my comments altogether and the only thing i did was ask you to clearify your first post. dont make threads like theses if you cant handle a debate or people using science and facts to disprove you btw.

What he's saying is pretty easy to understand.
First point:

Selfishness: He's saying that why do 'we' all dare to call someone else selfish and make them feel bad when we, without truly meaning to or knowing, act selfish about things. The example he gave about the food was a pretty good one.​

being selfish is a bad thing.. its human nature but its regarded as something negative because it has negatives affects on society. it is deemed a sin in some religions. its deemed immoral in society.

what good comes out of one being selfish? only crimes. the example he give doesnt justify selfishness. if we took selfishness to the extreme, a person who has food but a stranger is without food, the right thing to do is for that person to share his food with the other. the selfish thing to do is not share and let that person starve.

you and he can argue that "there is no right thing to do". you may say that logically the person with food has to keep it for himself to help himself, but he in doing so is harming his fellow man. hes harming the starving man because the man is not receiving food that the other can easily just share with him, hes harming him and thats why selfishness is immoral.

Second:

A strong desire for lust (being a "pervert"): He's not saying a men raping a girl is alright or using the excuse "I'm just too damn horny all the time" he's not wrong about it being a human instinct though. Still he's just saying that we all, at one point (what he said)------- "EVERY human being (Excluding children) has experienced a desire for lust in some kind of way. Whether it was a thought, a reaction, or an actual act of sexuality"---- if a women can have 100 orgasms in 1 day, does that make her a perv even though it's a medical condition? there's people who become addicted to *** and need help, we shouldn't just call them pervs. Why is it that some illnesses we accept but not others.

lust is associated with rape. a man lusts after a girl and rapes her. or a man lusts after a woman and sexually harass her, gropes her chest or butt or flashes her whatever. perversion is not a good thing.

im not saying sexuality is bad, but to be a pervert is when you are not in control of your carnal sexual desires and that is bad.

a woman who can give orgasms that much is sexual, not a perv, but when shes giving 100 orgasms to 100 dudes then she is a perv and a hoe. and she risks being pregnant without knowing the father, which sucks for the kid and even catching a desease. when sexual addicts become a problem its because cheating is involved. cheating is a major issue which leads to trauma, heartbroken, divorces, families broken and/or broken families, damaged lives. how do you see any of that as "ok"?

third:

Homosexuality: People just label others and take away their rights b/c they don't fit the 'normal quota' and it's wrong. A homosexual doesn't decide over night to be gay. There's people who never accepted it so they date the opposite gender and later on they do accept it and may say "I'm gay" this makes ppl wonder and get upset but it happens. I know a homosexual guy who's gay but dates girls to hide it from others. It's wrong b/c he's lying to those girls and making other homosexuals seem like liars. Some people are crazy, I know..they think it's a 'new style' to be gay..those people cant be consider gay and honestly you can see if a person is gay or no by taking scans of their brains. If you keep up with scientific news, gay men's brains are structured like those of straight women and Lesbian's have their brains structure like a mans brain. Another caused that they found is that these changes happen as the baby is in the womb, hormonal changes. Religion fights it but really, how people act towards them..is purely inhuman, sick and repulsive. How is it right for us to condemn them and yet, we're all sinners..people choose what to argue about b/c the bible has way many more sins and yet people do them.

homosexuality is a choice. people may not make a choice to decide who they are attracted to but they definently have a choice whether to act on it or not. pedophiles are attracted to kids yet we condemmed them. why should we? they didnt choose to be attracted to kids so we should let them be happy like the homosexuals. "People just label others and take away their rights b/c they don't fit the 'normal quota' and it's wrong."

also on this gay rights thing.... sigh you now what im not going to tread that path....

that homosexual guy dating girls. how is it wrong? hes making a choice to date who he wants. thats his choice. he decided not to date guys and he dates girls, by definition he is heterosexual in fact. but you claim its wsrong because hes "lying"?? wtf? how is it wrong? if a pedophile who is attracted to kids decides to date people his age is that wrong too? is he lying to the people hes dating because hes actually attracted to kids?

gay guys brains are equal to woman? smh gtfo... lol no disrespect but i dont buy into that even if its "scientifically studied". give me a link or something i do want to check that out honestly. and the hormones thing.. smh what does that matter anyways? every single person is different and have different levels of hormones and different sctructured brains theres so much about this i can say but im cutting it short.

oh almost forgot about the bible religion part. homosexuality is a sin, thats why gays get treated the way they do. they are condemned because it is a sin. im not saying gay bashing is right, or wrong, not saying i hate gays and that they deserve it, not saying gays should burn in hell, not saying any of that.... just saying "gay=sin->the way they are treated"

fourth:


Being Fat (overweight): Over the years, our society has changed and genes also DO change over time. Some ppl are naturally born to be skinny and some aren't. There's diseases that pretend one from gaining weight or losing. Yet we treat it as if it was something so gross and wrong, again. This is just another way how people like to judge others and say it's wrong because they 'don't fit' the 'normal quota'


What he gave were just opinions anyways and he says so, he's asking for the opinion of others now. Do they believe is wrong or right and why?..what's so complicated to understand about something so simple.

genes change over time?!?!? wtf? do you want to rephrase that?

some people are more prone to gaining weight then others, everyone has defferent metabolisms, some have very fast metabolisms that allow them to more easily keep weight off as opposed to those with slower metabolisms. also what ethnicity you are plays a role with your wieght, like black people are more prone to be bigger because they usually store more fat or something like that and its why they usually have high blood pressure etc etc etc

fat is negative because as you yourself stated theres diseases involved. i dont agree that fat people should be discriminated or treated bad but being fat doesnt have to be an excuse. with knowledge and hard work fat person can lose weight despite whatever conditions they are in.

some people blame the fat person for being fat, blaming the victim, i dont agree, some people are just dealt with "bad cards" or bad genes or bad parents who had let them eat whatever they wanted as kids but theres no excuse for a fat person not to lose wieght with all the resources out there. i dont blame the victim but i dont pity them either.​

 

[MidKnight]

@NarutovsGoku: I did'nt choose not to respond to you because you disagree (which I could care less). You left your opinion, and thats all I asked for, was everyones opinions. I dont just argue with people everytime I see a long comment written. You left your opinon, I read it, and now I know how you feel about the topic. There is nothing to argue about.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

lol i didnt even disagree with you !!!! i never even stated my thoughts to you i just asked you to clearify things and you ignored me ! dont make these type of threads bro

 

[Wesobi]

Guys, if this turns any more into a discussion in which half of the responses to another person's view is just "OMFG YOU BE SO STUP1D", I'm closing this, and I will be giving infractions. Keep it clean and civilized.​

 

[Darthlawsuit]

Guys, if this turns any more into a discussion in which half of the responses to another person's view is just "OMFG YOU BE SO STUP1D", I'm closing this, and I will be giving infractions. Keep it clean and civilized.​

Alright we will make sure to keep it squeaky clean

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[Prime Rib]

:noc:im still right about homosexuals

 

[Elio]

btw homosexuals are not born gay its called choice.

I believe that is false.