(SPOILER) Uchiha Madara misconception.

[-Logic-]

One thing that many people believe is that Madara fought against Hashirama with such a perfect Susano'o. It's become clear to me that he did not. Think about it. A sword which destroys everything in it's path. Nothing could possibly have survived that. I understand that Hashirama's Mokuton may have allowed him to win the battle, but against a Susano'o like that? I doubt it. The reason why I say he didn't fight against this Susano'o is because of my thread. "

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." My thread points out that one cannot have the PS (Perfect Susano'o) without the Rinnegan. This is because throughout the series whenever Sasuke went from MS to EMS his Susano'o improved drastically. I don't see how without the Rinnegan Madara's Susano'o "magically transformed" into the PS.

To back this up I've got some manga pages. The information I've deduced was apparent to me from the start, but it may confuse some of you. So re-read the page to absorb the information.

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Here in the latest chapter we see Tsunade asking Madara if Hashirama really fought against the PS. Madara doesn't answer. I think he was either ashamed of his loss, or he was too busy having fun with the Kages. Why wouldn't he answer? I don't understand. Perhaps Madara didn't really care but who knows.

This part of the thread is more of a guess then a proper analysis but I'd like to share it anyway. Observe Madara's statement in the bottom left corner. "Only the Bijuu have a power comparable to this."

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I'm sure we all know that Hashirama tamed several Bijuus and handed them out to different villages, but perhaps, just like Naruto, he established an emotional connection with them, and as a result perhaps the Bijuus offered to fight Madara for reassurance. Him against Hashirama + 2 or 3 Bijuus would be overkill.

Thanks for reading. What do you guys think?

 

[Ike]

What do you mean he said " I already told you Hashirama is the only one who could stop me". We haven't even seen Sasuke's full Susanoo yet. If Sasuke gets PS mode without Rinnegan that will pretty much confirm it.

 

[EternalSage]

He said that only Hashirama can defeat him after Tsunade asked the question. Maybe Hashirama has other OP techniques. Hopefully Kishi explains Hashi and Madara's relationship in detail soon.

 

[-Logic-]

What do you mean he said " I already told you Hashirama is the only one who could stop me". We haven't even seen Sasuke's full Susanoo yet. If Sasuke gets PS mode without Rinnegan that will pretty much confirm it.

Can Itachi's Susano'o (MS) "magically" get the pieces of armor on it that Sasuke's Susano'o has? (EMS) We've seen Sasuke's full Susano'o. He can't advance any further without the Rinnegan.

He said that only Hashirama can defeat him after Tsunade asked the question. Maybe Hashirama has other OP techniques. Hopefully Kishi explains Hashi and Madara's relationship in detail soon.

Kishi's definitely hiding something about that fight.

 

[Ike]

Can Itachi's Susano'o (MS) "magically" get the pieces of armor on it that Sasuke's Susano'o has? (EMS) We've seen Sasuke's full Susano'o. He can't advance any further without the Rinnegan.

What we saw was a Susanoo in a scruffle with Zetsu's. If Sasuke possibly has PS mode or a stronger version of Susanoo he wouldn't waste his chakra on Zetsu's. It's to early to judge, Madara didn't show is true EMS capabilities until now. Why would Sasuke go all out PS mode against Zetsus.

 

[soulreaper11]

One thing that many people believe is that Madara fought against Hashirama with such a perfect Susano'o. It's become clear to me that he did not. Think about it. A sword which destroys everything in it's path. Nothing could possibly have survived that. I understand that Hashirama's Mokuton may have allowed him to win the battle, but against a Susano'o like that? I doubt it. The reason why I say he didn't fight against this Susano'o is because of my thread. "

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." My thread points out that one cannot have the PS (Perfect Susano'o) without the Rinnegan. This is because throughout the series whenever Sasuke went from MS to EMS his Susano'o improved drastically. I don't see how without the Rinnegan Madara's Susano'o "magically transformed" into the PS.

To back this up I've got some manga pages. The information I've deduced was apparent to me from the start, but it may confuse some of you. So re-read the page to absorb the information.

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Here in the latest chapter we see Tsunade asking Madara if Hashirama really fought against the PS. Madara doesn't answer. I think he was either ashamed of his loss, or he was too busy having fun with the Kages. Why wouldn't he answer? I don't understand. Perhaps Madara didn't really care but who knows.

This part of the thread is more of a guess then a proper analysis but I'd like to share it anyway. Observe Madara's statement in the bottom left corner. "Only the Bijuu have a power comparable to this."

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I'm sure we all know that Hashirama tamed several Bijuus and handed them out to different villages, but perhaps, just like Naruto, he established an emotional connection with them, and as a result perhaps the Bijuus offered to fight Madara for reassurance. Him against Hashirama + 2 or 3 Bijuus would be overkill.

Thanks for reading. What do you guys think?

all this^ means crap he lose regardless using perfect Susanoo unless the manga say so.

 

[Ninpou]

At the time of the fight Hashirama hadnt given the Biju to other nations yet because theres a panel of Madara capturing a free roaming Kyubi with genjutsu. So my gues is that the Battle was Madara with PF Susanoo + Kyuubi vs Hashirama with Mito +1 to 8 tails Biju. If you look at the size of PFS compared to a Biju it almost dwarfs itso i dont think that a biju alone is comparable but all of them together is probably = or> than PFS wich is why Hashriama gaining control of the 9 tails was the pivotal point of the fight.

 

[Dornier]

madara himself said that HASHIRAMA IS the ONLY one to beat him when tsunade asked that how are the kage's gonna beat him..this proves that he fought hashirama with perfect susano-o..i my self is a madara fan..but still i think he fought hashirama with perfect susano-o..if not why he bothers to tell that hashirama can only defeat him in that state??

 

[Nine]

Maybe Hashirama tamed quite a few Bijuus and became their Jinchuriki. We all know how powerful Hashirama's Mokuton was already by looking at what Edo Madara is capable of. So imagine how much amplification his Mokuton would have achieved if the combined Yang chakra of a few Bijuus was available to him (remember Yamato's totem's reacting to Naruto's nine tails chakra mode to become full grown trees?). Maybe that is why he was able to easily stand up to Madara and possible even his Perfect Susanoo (although it is debated if he had PS during his fight with Hashirama or gained it later when he had the Rinnegan).

 

[thepizzaguy]

Could be but remember madara never had the rinnegen back then when he fought hashirama which makes a huge difference.even still the guy still admits that hashi would be able to beat him. I don't think tsunade was directing her question at madara.it could of been just a thought but I don't think hashirama could get through this susano,however all we know for now is that its attack increased.

 

[temidayor tony obatolu]

Hmmm I'm kind of confused

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

This manga page shows that Hashirama really did indeed fought Madara's perfect Susano.

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What other jutsu or ability at the time that Madara possessed with EMS could've changed the entire landscape? Obviously that would be his perfect Susano, whilst Hashirama's landscape changing jutsu is obviously Mokuton.

Now the means of how Hashirama won is unknown but its said that Hashirama forced the 9-Tails out of Madara's posession somewhere along the fight.

 

[GUCC1GU1LTY]

yeah i agree with this because nothin is wrong with it

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

At the time of the fight Hashirama hadnt given the Biju to other nations yet because theres a panel of Madara capturing a free roaming Kyubi with genjutsu. So my gues is that the Battle was Madara with PF Susanoo + Kyuubi vs Hashirama with Mito +1 to 8 tails Biju. If you look at the size of PFS compared to a Biju it almost dwarfs itso i dont think that a biju alone is comparable but all of them together is probably = or> than PFS wich is why Hashriama gaining control of the 9 tails was the pivotal point of the fight.

He did give the bijuus to the other nations by then

 

[Ninpou]

He did give the bijuus to the other nations by then

He didnt, he done that after he had all the Biju in his possesion wich was after his fight with Madara.

 

[Stark]

He said that only Hashirama can defeat him after Tsunade asked the question. Maybe Hashirama has other OP techniques. Hopefully Kishi explains Hashi and Madara's relationship in detail soon.

Can't wait for this^

 

[Anorien16]

One thing that many people believe is that Madara fought against Hashirama with such a perfect Susano'o. It's become clear to me that he did not. Think about it. A sword which destroys everything in it's path. Nothing could possibly have survived that. I understand that Hashirama's Mokuton may have allowed him to win the battle, but against a Susano'o like that? I doubt it. The reason why I say he didn't fight against this Susano'o is because of my thread. "

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." My thread points out that one cannot have the PS (Perfect Susano'o) without the Rinnegan. This is because throughout the series whenever Sasuke went from MS to EMS his Susano'o improved drastically. I don't see how without the Rinnegan Madara's Susano'o "magically transformed" into the PS.

To back this up I've got some manga pages. The information I've deduced was apparent to me from the start, but it may confuse some of you. So re-read the page to absorb the information.

Spoiler

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Here in the latest chapter we see Tsunade asking Madara if Hashirama really fought against the PS. Madara doesn't answer. I think he was either ashamed of his loss, or he was too busy having fun with the Kages. Why wouldn't he answer? I don't understand. Perhaps Madara didn't really care but who knows.

This part of the thread is more of a guess then a proper analysis but I'd like to share it anyway. Observe Madara's statement in the bottom left corner. "Only the Bijuu have a power comparable to this."

Spoiler

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I'm sure we all know that Hashirama tamed several Bijuus and handed them out to different villages, but perhaps, just like Naruto, he established an emotional connection with them, and as a result perhaps the Bijuus offered to fight Madara for reassurance. Him against Hashirama + 2 or 3 Bijuus would be overkill.

Thanks for reading. What do you guys think?

A few loopholes:
1. The counties kept theirs bijus sealed or in a jink, as they were prone to go on a rampage. So how cld they help him that way?
2. We have seen hashi's mukuton, brought about only by a few of his CELLS, wont that mean A FULL BODY of hashi would have much more power?
3. Hashi could have had other talents too, (His clan was called clan with 1000 talents for nothing u know, check the narutopedia).
4. madara had kurama with him.

 

[Ssoul Eater]

He didn't answer to Tsunade's question coz she was whispering to herself wasn't proclaiming to him. Also he's still saying only hashirama has the potential to stop him so why underrate Hashiram coz you've seen more of Madara now?
It wouldn't be a surprise to me if Hashirama had fought with perfect susano madara then defeated him coz he was considered a fairy tale for a reason you know

 

[-Logic-]

He didn't answer to Tsunade's question coz she was whispering to herself wasn't proclaiming to him. Also he's still saying only hashirama has the potential to stop him so why underrate Hashiram coz you've seen more of Madara now?
It wouldn't be a surprise to me if Hashirama had fought with perfect susano madara then defeated him coz he was considered a fairy tale for a reason you know

This is actually a good point. Do you think the PS requires the Rinnegan?

 

[Nine]

A few loopholes:
1. The counties kept theirs bijus sealed or in a jink, as they were prone to go on a rampage. So how cld they help him that way?
2. We have seen hashi's mukuton, brought about only by a few of his CELLS, wont that mean A FULL BODY of hashi would have much more power?
3. Hashi could have had other talents too, (His clan was called clan with 1000 talents for nothing u know, check the narutopedia).
4. madara had kurama with him.

You have a loophole. The countries did not have any Bijuu's. Hashirama handed them out after Madara's fight when he had all 9 of them.